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How Much Is George Lucas Involved In The Old Republic?

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George Lucas is the grand overseer of all things Star Wars, but he can't be everywhere at once. So how much involvement is he taking in the development of the latest and (hopefully) greatest venture for his franchise, Star Wars: The Old Republic?

Despite the wishes of many folks who hold Star Wars close to their hearts, franchise father George Lucas is, ultimately, the end-all be-all of everything Star Wars. Now, we can assume that the guy can't micro-manage the packaging for every single action figure, but it'd be silly to assume that he doesn't have some say in one of the biggest ventures for the franchise in recent memory, BioWare's MMOG, Star Wars: The Old Republic.

"I haven't shown it to him personally, no," BioWare's Ray Muzyka told G4. "But I know he keeps his finger on the pulse of everything LucasArts is working on, so I know he's involved in it. I've talked to him about the project in the past and I know he's excited about it."

Run for the hills! Cancel all The Old Republic pre-orders! If George Lucas is excited about something and thinks it's good, then, by any sound logic, that must therefore mean that it's bad, right? When was the last time George Lucas was excited for something? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? We all remember how that turned out!

But wait, don't you guys remember how awesome The Old Republic E3 trailer was? What did Lucas think of that, I wonder. "I can't say what he thought of the trailer because I don't know for sure that he's seen it," Muzyka said. "But I imagine he has because he's very involved in the development side of things."

Like it or not, Star Wars fans, but George Lucas is "very involved" in the development of his franchise's properties, and The Old Republic falls under that category. It's okay. I'm sure it'll turn out fine.

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Keane Ng:
When was the last time George Lucas was excited for something? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? We all remember how that turned out!

Oh Keane. Must you jump on that silly band-wagon?

I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

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Hopefully none whatsoever. The game would be improved a thousand times if George was sealed in an air tight room until the game's release.

Gone Gonzo
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Hopefully Bioware gave Lucas a doll and locked him in a room.

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Oh god oh god oh god oh god.

Don't fuck this up, George.

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Baby Tea:

Keane Ng:
When was the last time George Lucas was excited for something? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? We all remember how that turned out!

Oh Keane. Must you jump on that silly band-wagon?

I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

Well I was being sarcastic there, but yeah I didn't like that movie. Not much as everyone else did though, mostly because I don't even like Indiana Jones that much to begin with.

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Baby Tea:

Keane Ng:
When was the last time George Lucas was excited for something? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? We all remember how that turned out!

Oh Keane. Must you jump on that silly band-wagon?

I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

I'd be worried because it's Bioware though I admit I would be petrified if George had anything to do with it at all.

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Well, Bioware did okay on KotOR, so this will probably be fine.
I hope.

Gone Gonzo
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To be honest, I hope Bioware puts a restraining order on Lucas that requires him to be at least one continent's distance away from wherever they're making the game.

Lets just hope he doesn't go down the same route Spielberg did and start making his OWN games.

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Keane Ng:

But wait, don't you guys remember how awesome The Old Republic E3 trailer was? >

You mean that pre-rendered piece of footage? The one that will most likely look nothing like the finished product in both terms of gameplay and graphics? Yeah, I remember that.

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Keane Ng:
Well I was being sarcastic there, but yeah I didn't like that movie. Not much as everyone else did though, mostly because I don't even like Indiana Jones that much to begin with.

Well if you aren't an Indy fan, then you've got a whole other set of problems!

NovaStalker:
I'd be worried because it's Bioware though I admit I would be petrified if George had anything to do with it at all.

Pardon me? Bioware rocks the socks of the western RPG world.

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NovaStalker:
I'd be worried because it's Bioware though I admit I would be petrified if George had anything to do with it at all.

Pardon me? Bioware rocks the socks of the western RPG world.[/quote]

Bioware have yet to make a game with a decent alignment system and they didn't even bother to finish KotOR 2.

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Anyone know where Mr. Lucas lives? I may have to pay him a painful visit if he screws this up.

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Bioware : Produced some great stuff
Lucas : Produced one great thing. After re-writing it 4 times. Over 5 years. And then ripping it directly from Joseph Campbell. And then re-writing it after it came out. (Star Wars was Episode 5, and had no subtitle). And then re-writing it after Empire and Return. And then swearing to never do another one. And then using Mario Kart and Song of the South for inspiration. And then actually making Samuel L Jackson and James Earl Jones seem lame. And then cockslapping Alec Guinness.
Apart from all the godawful necro-equine-flagellation spinoffs and the casual racism.

Yeah, let's keep him well away from it.

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NovaStalker:

Bioware have yet to make a game with a decent alignment system and they didn't even bother to finish KotOR 2.

Bioware didn't even make KotOR 2 that was Obsidian Entertainment.

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He has a detachable penis and IT shows up all the time in meetings I hear.

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The infamous SCAMola:

Keane Ng:

But wait, don't you guys remember how awesome The Old Republic E3 trailer was? >

You mean that pre-rendered piece of footage? The one that will most likely look nothing like the finished product in both terms of gameplay and graphics? Yeah, I remember that.

Nobody's saying it was indicative of how the game plays or looks, what it was indicative of was that BioWare can put together a damn cool Star Wars cinematic, something Lucas obviously hasn't done in some time. It wasn't meant to be taken as representative of how the game plays, it was supposed to get you excited for Star Wars again. And I thought it did that job. Have some fun, yeesh.

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It's not Lucas you should be worried about, it's Blackman, Force Unleashed sold well, but my god what a bug ridden POS, and pale in comparison to the Jedi Knight series for quality and storyline, don't forget saber fights...were actually saber fights, not a button masher. He also had a hand in destroying SW Galaxies, and helped code the crappiest of LA games...Battle For naboo (the Batman and Robin of the gaming world).

Thank god that Bioware are working on this, completely bypassing Blackman and going to Lucas himself, the first one was great, and the story made sense (just need to get that back from my nephew so I can play it again).

Obsidian fudged up the second one, and didn't really do anything to make it better when they had the chance for the PC port of the game, that came about a year after the console release.

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Baby Tea:
I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

Seems like sound logic to me, Bioware have never let me down before.

And besides, the more recent star wars games have been at least adequate if not brilliant in my opinion (KOTOR onwards, i'm not familiar with any of them before that).

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Tehpwnsauce:
Hopefully none whatsoever. The game would be improved a thousand times if George was sealed in an air tight room until the game's release.

actually, SW:G was awesome untill SOE reared its ugly game ethics, in-fact, George was for a long time looking for a Dev. that WASNT owned by SOE, and what happened? Bioware got bought......by SOE......

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NovaStalker:

Baby Tea:

Keane Ng:
When was the last time George Lucas was excited for something? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? We all remember how that turned out!

Oh Keane. Must you jump on that silly band-wagon?

I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

I'd be worried because it's Bioware though I admit I would be petrified if George had anything to do with it at all.

George had something to do with KotOR, and that turned out fine, thankfully.

I think Bioware has some resistance to George's dumbassness.

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Outamyhead:
He also had a hand in destroying SW Galaxies...

this is my single biggest issue with Lucas. sure, the new trilogy was pretty lame, and indiana jones was, for the sake of a better word, completely and utterly anally raped. But what he did to such a wonderful game, to promote his new movie, sickens me to no end. As a result, the more active he stays with this game, the less likely I am to play it, thereby killing any chance of being horribly disappointed again.

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Kalezian:
actually, SW:G was awesome untill SOE reared its ugly game ethics, in-fact, George was for a long time looking for a Dev. that WASNT owned by SOE, and what happened? Bioware got bought......by SOE......

Are you sure on that one, seeing as the TOR website is being hosted on an EA server, and Mass Effect was an EA title, and that would make sense since I read the Bioware is part of EA http://kotaku.com/gaming/ea/ea-buys-bioware-pandemic-309937.php

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Outamyhead:
He also had a hand in destroying SW Galaxies...

this is my single biggest issue with Lucas. sure, the new trilogy was pretty lame, and indiana jones was, for the sake of a better word, completely and utterly anally raped. But what he did to such a wonderful game, to promote his new movie, sickens me to no end. As a result, the more active he stays with this game, the less likely I am to play it, thereby killing any chance of being horribly disappointed again.

You must have missed the part about how you should be worried about Blackman, not Lucas, cause Lucas sure as hell doesn't know how to code, although that would explain a few mediocre titles if he did, but no Blackman was involved in what happened with Galaxies, whether it was coding or project lead I don't know, but he was involved, and now he's the right (cyborg) hand of Lucas and the video games division being a project lead on anything they do.

Think of Bioware as the Irvin Kershner (Empire Strikes Back director) of the Star Wars games universe, yeah George is giving the story and script, but fortunately Bioware are interpreting what they are reading into something far better.

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NO GEORGE!!! DON'T DO IT!!!

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Keane Ng:
It's okay. I'm sure it'll turn out fine.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

NO. I don't want to see George Lucas involved at all with Star Wars: The Old Republic. Lucas wasn't involved with KoTOR and look how well that turned out.

Lucas can't write worth a shit, Bioware can actually write a story with a meaningful narrative. If Old Republic is anything like Galaxies, we're fucked.

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Outamyhead:
It's not Lucas you should be worried about, it's Blackman, Force Unleashed sold well, but my god what a bug ridden POS, and pale in comparison to the Jedi Knight series for quality and storyline, don't forget saber fights...were actually saber fights, not a button masher. He also had a hand in destroying SW Galaxies, and helped code the crappiest of LA games...Battle For naboo (the Batman and Robin of the gaming world).

Force Unleashed was much better written than the prequels. really, I think comparing it to the Jedi Knight series is a bit unfair. After all, we do know that the Jedi Knight games were brilliant, but Force Unleashed is aimed at a wider demographic than Star Wars fans.

That's what I think anyway.

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Baby Tea:
I'm not worried about this at all. It's Bioware, not George.

Agreed. Whatever happens, BioWare are going to have more input in this than Lucas, so I'm not worried about it. I am interested to see how a BioWare-quality story is going to work in an MMO, but I don't doubt they'll do a good job of it. Besides, even if the Bioware:Lucas ratio were 50:50, the awesomeness of BioWare should cancel out Lucas' various problems.

Despite what I just said, the rampant Lucas hatred does annoy me a bit. Ok, the prequel trilogy wasn't that good and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was horrible, but the man is still responsible for two of the greatest movie trilogies of all time. Give the guy a break.

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The_root_of_all_evil:
Bioware : Produced some great stuff
Lucas : Produced one great thing. After re-writing it 4 times. Over 5 years. And then ripping it directly from Joseph Campbell. And then re-writing it after it came out. (Star Wars was Episode 5, and had no subtitle). And then re-writing it after Empire and Return. And then swearing to never do another one. And then using Mario Kart and Song of the South for inspiration. And then actually making Samuel L Jackson and James Earl Jones seem lame. And then cockslapping Alec Guinness.
Apart from all the godawful necro-equine-flagellation spinoffs and the casual racism.

Yeah, let's keep him well away from it.

I was going to chide you for forgetting about THX 1138 and American Graffiti, but then I noticed you said "produced", not written or directed, and those were both produced by Coppola, so you're probably correct.

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Tehpwnsauce:
Hopefully none whatsoever. The game would be improved a thousand times if George was sealed in an air tight room forever.

Fix'd.

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Despite George's best efforts, the game will turn out fine, I'm sure.

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*bites nails*

Gone Gonzo
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Lets keep Lucas away from Bioware,and Bioware away from Lucas and we'll be fine.

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I'm going to be honest. I hope the game is completely fucking awful. I hope a total three people buy the stupid thing, and one of them sells it back to Gamestop and buys a better game, like Too Human. I hope there are mass gatherings, where gamers burn copies of The Old Republic and dance around the flames. Then maybe LucasArts will finally have some sense knocked into them and make a proper fucking KOTOR 3.

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Like I said Bioware are like Irvin Kershner when it comes to Star Wars, I'm not worried about this at all.

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The Bandit:
I'm going to be honest. I hope the game is completely fucking awful. I hope a total three people buy the stupid thing, and one of them sells it back to Gamestop and buys a better game, like Too Human. I hope there are mass gatherings, where gamers burn copies of The Old Republic and dance around the flames. Then maybe LucasArts will finally have some sense knocked into them and make a proper fucking KOTOR 3.

I totally agree. Unless you actually think that Too Human was a good game and you are not being sarcastic as I very much hope.

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