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Press Junketeer  Posts: 415 Joined: 1 Jan 2009     | The Tre has some great games coming out this year and next year. It's making a comeback. |
Muckraker  Posts: 273 Joined: 6 Dec 2008     | I really don't think there's going to be a big issue with Sony making a decent profit this year. I mean, the one complaint that I've always heard from people has been that the PS3 doesn't have enough games to warrant buying it. But, with recent releases, and the amazing amount of upcoming releases in the remainder of this year and next, I feel pretty confident in saying that the PS3 is going to see a marked increase in sales. Which is good for everyone, I think. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2486 Joined: 6 Apr 2009     | Well you see they'll make a profit from people buying games for the console not the console itself, if they want to sell more, they need to cut the price. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 828 Joined: 4 Oct 2007     | Note his comments don't touch the gaming aspect of the PS3 at all. This jibes with what I've been saying for a bit. The games market for the PS3 is purely a secondary consideration, and they don't care if it goes belly up so long as the PS3 cements Blu-Ray as the next content distribution media. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1161 Joined: 7 May 2009   | I guess Jack doesn't realize America is about to hit double digit unemployment rates in a matter of months, if not weeks. Something tells me that will hardly bolster their sales. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2194 Joined: 3 Mar 2009     |
But on the other hand, the other consoles get more games as well. I'm still thinking of getting one (PS3) so it's nice to know wether or not to wait for a price cut. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1590 Joined: 26 Apr 2009   | With some great titles coming out (AKA Demon's Souls, White Knight Chronicles, Uncharted 2, and others that I can't remember atm) I think the sales will do just nicely. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1154 Joined: 29 Oct 2008    | This does appear to be a more positive stance than of recent times for SONY. Here's hoping they get it together and realize a price drop called for by consumers is a sign they actually want to buy their system. I've already got one, even I can see a price cut leading to a larger fan base is a great thing. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2040 Joined: 28 Apr 2008    |
Didn't they already do that? All I want is God of War 3, Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank: A crack in time, and then I'll be happy. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 828 Joined: 4 Oct 2007 |
Against HD-DVD.. not against digital distribution.. yet. |
Muckraker Posts: 273 Joined: 6 Dec 2008 |
I don't know. Stuff like inFamous, Resistance: Fall of Man and Resistance 2, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, and upcoming titles like Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, The Last Guardian, and the exclusive Joker content for Batman: Arkham Asylum are all exclusive titles for the PS3 only. Those are all some really big name games, and, though I admit to not doing a ton of research on it, the only exclusive title for the 360 that I've heard any hype about lately has been Halo 3: ODST. I don't enjoy the whole exclusive debate, but I do see the point that it has from an economic standpoint, and, as far as the PS3 is concerned, they are pretty set for the foreseeable future in that regard. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2283 Joined: 28 May 2008   | I'm pretty sure the PS3 is headed in the right direction; this year's E3 announced some games that people simply won't be able to keep away from. I'm really tempted to go out and buy the console. There's only one problem; IT'S STILL TOO EXPENSIVE. Sure, the Sony dropped it's prices before, but I still have the words "...FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS..." ringing in my head. Make it affordable Sony; please. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4890 Joined: 22 Feb 2009   | Christ. He better have a good reason for not lowering the damn price. All the crap Sony have spewed so far are vague and off the point. I WANT A REASON, SONEH! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4888 Joined: 10 Jan 2009   | If the exclusives can pull through, this could be a good year for Sony. On the other hand, they've had middling sales so far considering the exclusives that they've already released. I think that while there are a lot of good games coming out for the platform, people are still going to avoid buying it due to the price. Sure, sales will increase (a lot) but (in my opinion) it won't be nearly as much as Sony supporters will hope. I feel that the price and lack of BC (until Sony gets that emulator action nailed down) will continue to drive away the average consumer. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2194 Joined: 3 Mar 2009 |
I was thinking about Metroid prime trilogy (not new i know), metroid other M, Mario Galaxy 2, new zelda, new halo. I know I was gleeful as a rugrat with a bag full of candy when i ehard how much stuff tehre was to look forward to on the wii (wii owner btw) A lot of good games are also shared between the PS3 and 360, in which case many people would still neglect the PS3 cause it's pricy. not trying to start a console falme war, i wish i could just own all 3, but I got more urgent stuff i need to spend my money on, though i'm strongly thinking of getting a PS3, cause theres not a single good game shared between the PS3 and the Wii, so i'm missing out on tons of good games. |
Master Archivist  Posts: 9225 Joined: 5 Mar 2009   | Well you have to give it to them for sticking to their word, as foolish as it is, i admire people who stick to the principle of the matter...to the bitter end. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 104 Joined: 9 Oct 2008 | LOL.
Potential Customer: Right... but I already have things that play DVDs. I don't need your machine.
Potential Customer: I don't care, I'm interested in content. Disc-based/digital doesn't matter. And your machine is not the only one with content.
Potential Customer: I don't care if it is "streaming," I care about content. If I want standard definition, I already have things that do that, or can get them for less. I don't need your machine. If I want high definition, there are a lot of other machines that do that for less.
Potential Customer: Even if my argument is that you are charging a lot of money for something with little to no benefit for me (the only benefit being the incredibly small number of exclusive games which might be worth playing)? I see. Well I appreciate you trying to convince me to buy your "toll booth." No, thanks. |
SUSPENDED  Posts: 6071 Joined: 25 Jan 2008   | I don't think Sony gets it... It doesn't matter what a tremendous value you believe your product to be, the customer decides what value it is to him or her, and at $400+, most people are saying "Not Enough" of one. User was suspended for: MMOG Teaches Kids About Traffic Safety. (3 days) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1905 Joined: 24 Jan 2008  |
They have one thing to justify it. Blu-Ray. But that's not enough. there are cheaper Blu-Ray players OTHER than the PS3. So if there biggest selling point is right now cheaper, the price should be cheaper. 400+ bucks is a fuck ton of money, and people are willing to spend it when they themselves can justify it, and there happens to be a lot if they can plop down the money for it. Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance 1-2, inFamous, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted, the list goes on and on. Tretton needs to get his head out of his ass, and realize he's selling a fucking videogame system, not a Media Center. |
Muckraker  Posts: 239 Joined: 24 Oct 2007   |
What principle? The ten year plan is a strategy. There's no honor in sticking to a strategy that isn't working. What's disappointing about this is that he's saying the fate of the PS3 is tied to the fate of the economy. Which is reasonable, since the PS3 is a luxury item that overshoots the needs of the average consumer and therefore will only sell well as long as there are lots of people with a lot of disposable income. What follows from that, though, is that things are pretty dire for Sony, since the economy he's saying their tied to is probably only going to get worse before it gets better. So what's plan B? |
Master Archivist Posts: 9225 Joined: 5 Mar 2009 |
Its funny but most luxury items specially cars have either seen no drop off or a slight increase during these tough times. Also the principle of setting a goal and refusing to stray from it, i never said it was a good thing. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 952 Joined: 20 Apr 2009  |
Your whole thing is just completely apathetic, you might as well not use anything at all. The point is that the Ps3 can do all of the things, probably for less of a price than buying lots of different machines e.g. a DVD player/Blu Ray player, a computer, a console etc. The benefit is the machine itself, if you don't want it/can't afford it, then don't get it, no one is trying to force you. |
On the Record  Posts: 6204 Joined: 10 Mar 2008  |
Last I checked, the PS3 has TV shows, movies, games, music, online, ect So.........why the hell wouldn't they advertise it as a multimedia centre if it is a multimedia centre? I hear plenty from them saying "We're focused on bringing you a home games console" as well as them promoting their multimedia capabilities. If the PS3 has access to multiple media spectrum, why the hell wouldn't they advertise those features? You cannot tell me that Sony isn't the only one doing it, look at Microsoft's E3 conference this year for fuck's sake, it's no different. We've got Facebook, Twitter, the avatar stuff, TV show streaming, Natal is hardly what you would call focusing on games, ect... all from that one conference not to mention the whole Netflix-shebang and Avatars. And as for the blu-ray player, I heard that the PS3 is a very good stand alone Blu-ray player for it's price and the cheaper stand-alone Blu-ray players aren't very good compared to higher end players like the PS3 and other more expensive ones. As for the article, I'm glad Trenton is staying positive no matter the pandering by everyone. Doesn't change the fact that some things do need to be changed, like the price, and the god damn horrid PR with Sony. But as long as I get my God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Last Guardian, White Knight Chronicles-s, Ratchet and Clank, the next Naughty Dog/Sucker Punch/Insomniac/Guerrilla Games/Zipper/Team ICO game, and Heavy Rain, not to mention Fat Fuck Mothering Princess, I'll be a happy camper. |
Muckraker Posts: 239 Joined: 24 Oct 2007 |
No, just that you admire it. |
Master Archivist Posts: 9225 Joined: 5 Mar 2009 |
You act like its a bad thing to admire someone who does something you cant do. I couldnt be that stubborn, i also admire people who take vows of celibacy seriously. It might be obtuse to some but if they can do it ,while knowing i cant, that deserves some recognition. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 583 Joined: 3 Nov 2008    |
The problem with having it do all those things and claiming that it is worth the cost is that most people have a computer and a dvd player already, and the cost of installing a blue ray player for a pc is a joke compared to a stand alone player. Most people don't need all that crap they want a console and not a media center, but why sell one thing when you can bundle four into one? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1656 Joined: 17 Jun 2009     | I've got news for you buddy, that storm you were riding in 2008 is about to become a hurricane. |
SUSPENDED Posts: 6071 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 |
See, that's a perfect example of what I was saying. I am the target market for the PS3. I am a (somewhat) young adult male with disposable income, and a diehard PSX and PS2 owner. I don't yet own a PS3, but there are games on the system I wish to buy, so I am pretty much the dead-set target market. I also don't give two peanut-decorated shits about BluRay. I have a +/- $15K DVD collection and a very nice high-end Sony home theatre system with a 5-Disc DVD player. Why in the fuck would I WANT to play my movies on a console? That's the first question. I never used the PS2 for watching DVDs, never used the PSX for playing CDs. When I wanted to listen to CDs, I bought a CD Player, a far better quality and quieter player which cost LESS than the PSX. When I wanted to switch from VHS to DVD, I bought a DVD player that came with the remote, and again, paid less. I buy consoles for games, and I realize the BluRay player is there because the games use that format, but don't pitch it to me as a feature of the system. The only use, the only "value" the PS3 has to the average user, is games. And in that, only exclusives, because as much as I hate the 360, it is affordable. People, given the choice between 360 and PS3 versions, to go with whatever console they own. And when choosing a console, price is often the deciding factor. Microsoft's is the inferior product, everyone knows about the red ring of death and the shitty reliability. And even in light of those flaws, 360 outsold the PS3. Was it the exclusive titles? Was it the price difference? Was it lack of faith in Sony's product brought on by how desperate they tried to convince us the PS3 was so much more than just a gaming system? Probably all three. They can't fix the reputation, and they can't change that MS has the Halo'tard support, but they can fix the pricing problem. But they don't, they won't, and Sony comes in at last place for the 7th Gen Console War. And with the recession still in its infancy, no... No, things will not get better, they haven't even begun to get bad. Sony's in for a rough couple years. User was suspended for: MMOG Teaches Kids About Traffic Safety. (3 days) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 104 Joined: 9 Oct 2008 |
My point exactly. Sony and other proponents of the PS3 point out that it does a lot of stuff for the price, which is definitely true. The problem is then going on to claim that that equates to "value." "Value" to the customer is not defined in terms of features. Any sales course worth its salt will tell you that people buy products based not on features, but benefits: not "what does the product do," but "what does the product do for me?" If it gives you a lot of features of things you already have coupled with a lot of new features you don't need or want, you aren't going to buy it. And that's exactly what many, many people are doing... not buying it. Sure, it does all these things for less than actual price of all those other machines put together. But since the majority of those machines are things most potential customers already own or don't need/want, really their effective cost to the customer is $0. Which will always be less than the price of a PS3, no matter how much they cut it. Rednog has the right of it. And Khell_Sennet hit the nail on the head:
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On the Record Posts: 6204 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Then buy the PS3 for the damn games. Read my previous post with "teh haloz", why the hell would Sony not advertise their console as a multimedia center if it is a god damn multimedia center!! Blu-ray is a fucking feature of the PS3, why the hell wouldn't they tell you "Play the latest hot games, watch the high-profile movies on blu-ray....!"? I'm sorry if you're not interested in downloading TV shows, movies, music, ect... but there are plenty of people who are. This is a problem with catering to just "gamers" because it's such a narrow niche. Because for some reason "gamers" feel entitled to be the center of attention, that means that a console should only play games. Well, why the hell can't it do other things? Plenty of other people are interested in the multimedia capabilities of the PS3, 360, or whatever. Why wouldn't Sony advertise the PS3 for what it is, a mutlimedia player. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 104 Joined: 9 Oct 2008 |
Of course it would be ridiculous for Sony not to advertise based on the features of their system. Which brings us to the root of the problem: Sony made a mistake in cramming all that extra stuff into there to begin with. Because most people who might be interested in a PS3 will only be interested in a subset of its features. But they can't buy only the features they want, they have to buy them all... and that is more expensive than buying something else to do only what they want. As for just "gamers" being such a narrow niche, the only console right now to focus on just being a console is the Wii. Guess if that makes it niche it must be failing pretty badly... and since so many people are interested in having a game console do everything else, the 360 and PS3 must be stomping it pretty hard. Wait a second, that's not what's happening? Hmm... |
On the Record Posts: 6204 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Uh, why wouldn't they put in that extra stuff? It worked with the PS2 didn't it? Multimedia crap sells all the time, look at the iPhone it's not being sold as a phone it's being sold as a games machine, internet thingy, app crap, ect... Not to mention the PSP and DSi, are you telling me that for some reason Nintendo shouldn't be influenced by adding more features to appeal to even more masses?
That was not the "gamers" I was referring to, I hoped I made that clear with the quotations. The "gamers" I'm talking about are people like Khell_Sennet, people like the haters of the Wii because it caters to the "casuals", the PC elitist snobs, people who think that every big gaming company must cater to them and are not allowed to show off their other stuff. For some reason Khell has a problem with Sony advertising the PS3 as a blu-ray player, but it is a damn blu-ray player! Who cares if you don't want one, plenty of other people do and people like having multiple funcitonalities with their devices. What is a problem with Sony advertising their product for what it is? Because you don't see them talking about games all the time? Go to their official Blog, they have tons of content and announcements of games. Or just go look for the games yourself, do your own research on the games, there's plenty of sites to do that. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1590 Joined: 26 Apr 2009 |
Buy it or don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you. You want them to make it 599 dollars again? Then be happy they dropped the price. BEcause the companies could all decide to price gouge you at the same time and the cheapest console would probably be 400 dollars (likely the Wii if Nintendo wants to price gouge) Until then, buy the console you want and be happy you have that choice. Point is: every time someone demands a price drop, they are automatically throwing away their freedom to choose a different console. Sony is here to offer games to gamers who want to pay the price, not cheapskates who want to pay as little as possible for a watered down experience. Thank you, and goodnight.
Because it's worth it. DUR.
Nothing but more dribble from a fanboy. You have no proof whatsoever of your claim, so your post has become invalid. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 905 Joined: 25 Jul 2008  | CEO says: "I feel like the PS3 is perfectly positioned. You like playing DVDs, but you're not ready for Blu-ray? Fine, our machine plays them," That's like saying "You know all that money in your pocket, wouldn't it be so much better to just set it on fire" Seriously, if you only want DVD, why pay approximately $150 more for a feature you don't want. How about you wait till you really want (if ever) blu-ray and buy a player then... when it is cheaper. |
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PlayStation CEO Hopes 2008 Was "As Bad As it Gets"
Sony Computer Entertainment America CEO Jack Tretton said 2008 was like being lashed to a mast in the midst of a storm but added that he's hopeful last year was "as bad as it gets."
Sony put out ten million PlayStation 3 consoles in its previous fiscal year and is aiming for 13 million unit sales this year, a target that some analysts see as indicative of an imminent price cut. But Sony CEO Howard Stringer yesterday dismissed calls for a lower price and in an interview with Fast Company, Tretton echoed those comments by saying that while there have been moments of doubt, Sony is sticking to its plan.
"It's like being out there in a storm - it does cause you to question your conviction, and tie yourself to the mast and weather the storm," he said. "We have hit a very challenging period of trying to sell future technology, a high-end device, but [it] is on the high-end retail pricing spectrum at a time when people's disposable income is limited. But I think the fact we were successful in that says people are getting the message, that you get tremendous value when you buy a PlayStation product. Yes there are cheaper machines out there, but not ones that deliver the degree of value for the money that ours does."
While 2008 may have been ugly, Tretton sees better things coming for this year and beyond. "Hopefully last year is as bad as it gets. I think all indicators are that 2009 is going better than 2008," Tretton said. "My hope is that as our production efficiencies improve and more great games come to market, the horizon has got to be better for 2009 and 2010."
"I feel like the PS3 is perfectly positioned. You like playing DVDs, but you're not ready for Blu-ray? Fine, our machine plays them," he continued. "Are you interested in disc-based content, or digital content? Because we can play both. And we can stream digital downloads of TV shows and movies in standard definition or high definition. So whatever the argument is, I feel like the PS3 is perfectly positioned to be the toll booth that everybody runs through."
via: Edge Online
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