Nintendo Lays To Rest Zelda Timeline Mystery

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Nintendo Lays To Rest Zelda Timeline Mystery

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For years Zelda fans have tried to formulate a possible timeline for games in the series, and now, finally, Nintendo has laid all the wild speculation to rest with a conclusive statement.

For a long time now fans of The Legend of Zelda have been trying to solve a mystery that might seem petty to outsiders but is of vital importance to people who love the franchise with a passion. What's the timeline for the games in the series? Time has been a recurring theme in the franchise for some time now, and the chronology of the games themselves seemed appropriately convoluted.

This speculation has led to thoroughly reasoned and researched theories like the "split timeline" idea (people who follow this theory are known, naturally, as "splitists"), which proposes that the ending of Ocarina of Time resulted in two different timelines: a "Child Timeline" leading up to the Windwaker games and an "Adult Timeline" leading up to the NES games. There are plenty of alternate theories, and among the people who care about this stuff, it's serious business.

One of those people, a YouTuber by the name of "ocarinahero10," produced an exhaustive video on the split timeline theory, one that was apparently so authoritative that he decided to send it to Nintendo to get their take on it. What he got wasn't what he wanted.

Nintendo didn't give him a brief, "you're stupid go away" response, but a statement with a brief summary of these facts: the beginning of Windwaker states that this game's story is but one of many "legends," and series producer Eiji Aounuma (speaking on behalf of Shigeru Miyamoto and others), declared that the Link in each game is a different Link, unless it's made clear that it's not. Nintendo concluded:

"This means that - unless otherwise specified - each new game represents a new Link and that there isn't a true frame of reference or timeline possible for the series."

So there is no timeline. Years of speculation, thousands of words of text in argument and speculation, the hopes and dreams of Zelda fans, cast into oblivion by a single sentence. This is why you don't get attached to things you can only speculate on, people. I learned that lesson with Duke Nukem Forever.

Ocarinahero10 isn't ready to give up, however. He's peeved that Nintendo didn't seem aware of many of the arguments he made in his submitted video, and he seems to think this rebuff indicates that the company has no love for the series or its fans.

So he's going to fight the power in the way that all angry gamers seem to be doing nowadays: he's made a petition. "If we can get enough names then there's a chance that Nintendo will give the timeline a chance and not abandon Zelda," he wrote. I can understand how heartbreaking it is to see your work go to waste, but I think it's time to let it go.

[Via Destructoid]

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Yeah I've always just taken it as they were different universes ( like Spiderman and Ultimate Spiderman ) ... there's always subtle similarities between them , but they're always "different" Links

Lets have a petition!

Internet petitions _always_ work.

Well, I guess some people will be pissed.

I think you have the split backwards, child goes to Majora, adult goes to Wind Waker which explains why Ganon was able to come back without a hero to deal with. Yes I do have a timeline, it's not bad.

Yeah, let's have a petition over the timeline of a series with an over-arching story as screwed up as MGS's! Yeah, that'll work!

Speaking as someone whose played almost all of them, I thought the games were pretty blunt about the fact that there is no continuity. Link, Zelda, and Ganon just get reincarnated over and over.

That, and the fact that your main character never talks, which makes you wonder what would even be the point of having them all link up anyways.

Wait, wasn't it already sure within the timeline theories that each new Zelda had a new Link?

Didn't Ocarina of Time already prove this by saying that the 3 Goddesses created a Hero to rise up when needed? Link to the Past even had old legends of EVERYTHING that happened in Ocarina of Time and it took place hundreds of years before the Gerudo Thief became the evil lord of the sealed Magic Land, which there was known as the Dark World.
Heck, Link to the Past had the descendants of the sages you save in Ocarina of Time in it. Do unless Link is hundreds of years old, its logical that he is reborn because the Gods felt he was needed.
I mean, storywise anyway.

Then again, the only Zelda games that really play into the possibility of a storyline are Ocarina of Time and A Link To the Past.

I guess Nintendo made a mistake by hinting to a story they didn't want to enforce later on.

I thought it was obvious that none of them link up. How the hell would all of the main characters keep coming back to life?

Okay, here's the line, and he's just crossed it.

Seriously, I have never cared about the timeline of any videogame series. It's like trying to put the Mario games in chronologial order, it just would be impossible to do.

Feels so empty, to know that you aren't controlling the same Link. Although I always knew that they were different Links, considering the time-line between OoT and Wind Waker. Must feel really shitty for Ganondorf, to be beaten by a bunch of kids in green coats. He should destroy the green coats industry. And kill every boy that knows how to wave a stick around, yelling "Yaah!"

The video was pretty amusing but, I digress, this is silly and we should just enjoy the games. I can't believe people have spent so much energy discussing this matter.

Ah well, can't say I haven't had lengthy discussions concerning video games before.

Good luck with the petition...?

If the guy's timeline made sense, why didn't Nintendo just adopt it and make him happy? When they come out with a new game, they don't have to make it fit; just let the fanboys take care of that.

Edit: Upon watching, the guy is kind of a pretentious jerk, so I guess he deserves to get shot down by Nintendo.

I never thought of the Zelda games as being connected. I'm a massive Zelda fan, but I've never heard any these theories and it never crossed my mind to try and connect these games. It's like Final Fantasy with Cid. He's a different character in each one, there's no connection.

So this is kind of Duke Nukem Forever being released... and turns out to suck?

crazyhaircut94:
Feels so empty, to know that you aren't controlling the same Link. Although I always knew that they were different Links, considering the time-line between OoT and Wind Waker. Must feel really shitty for Ganondorf, to be beaten by a bunch of kids in green coats. He should destroy the green coats industry. And kill every boy that knows how to wave a stick around, yelling "Yaah!"

You make a fine point sir, Ganondorf got the shit straw on that one. /:

Back to OT: I remember Wind Waker making a point to say it was a Legend, so I assumed it wasn't the same Link. I thought everyone got that.

I always thought it was the same story, just told a different way. Just varying accounts of the same legend...of Zelda.

Pompous little twat, isn't he? Assuming that he knows the story better than the creators of the game? Now that's just plain weird... Anyways, Nintendo's response makes much more sense--different legends, different Links. Good job, Nintendo.

I think the only two that could be linked are OoT and Majora's Mask, as they take place in seperate worlds and seem to follow each other.

("Could be linked?" Hehehehe.)

I'm a massive zelda fan and I've never thought the games were connected except for the ones that are obviously connected like mm/oot and ww/pg/st.

Heh, while I might be a bit opinionated in saying that I was one of the few who actually -watched- the video expressing the time-line, I have to agree with him. This simply seems to be lazy work on the part of Nintendo who sent him a generic letter after reading the title and nothing more.

Whether or not Nintendo originally intended for a time-line is somewhat irrelevant. The way the game's storyline has been structured constantly hints at an interconnected storyline. I don't see how much effort it would have taken for a couple of the game's writers to evaluate the timeline and give and honest answer instead of sending this automated response.

P.S. For those who didn't watch the video, first shame on you and secondly he stated that each game besides Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and one other pair, had different Links. Try doing a bit of research before your statements.

Ahahahaha. That little shat got what he deserved.

Way to go Nintendo, slap with the Megaton Hammer of Judgment.

So basically it's like I've been saying for ages. The Zelda games are the various legends of Hyrule (and other lands, as in the Oracle series & Majora's Mask) and each game therefore has no correlation to any of the others unless explicitly stated otherwise.
I sympathize with ocarinahero10, really, after all it can be frustrating to have all your hard work, not to mention countless hours of speculation, brushed off like that. However, I hardly think Nintendo's going to change their position based on your petition, when was the last time you ever heard of an internet petition actually changing anything?

la-le-lu-li-lo:

crazyhaircut94:
Feels so empty, to know that you aren't controlling the same Link. Although I always knew that they were different Links, considering the time-line between OoT and Wind Waker. Must feel really shitty for Ganondorf, to be beaten by a bunch of kids in green coats. He should destroy the green coats industry. And kill every boy that knows how to wave a stick around, yelling "Yaah!"

You make a fine point sir, Ganondorf got the shit straw on that one. /:

Yeah, you'd think he'd learn after being killed so many times. It's like he's a reoccurring villain in several episodes of Scooby Doo.

What I'm more interested in, is that the royal family always names the daughters Zelda. Even more interesting, they always get daughters. And here's a really weird one, why won't they put out when the Links save them? I mean, not even a kiss on the cheek. Every Zelda seems to have the same personality, it's like they're possessed by a ghost. With Princess Peach it's understandable, she is the same person who fell on her head as a child, but one of them should at least thank him for selflessly saving all of Hyrule. Or is he supposed to walk home without a reward. But I digress, maybe they'll answer these questions in the next game. And maybe I'll stop eating crisps, instead of promising myself I will.

(Also, it should be called Legend of Zeldas

Ah obsessions sometimes a beautiful thing not in this case.

FloodOne:
Ahahahaha. That little shat got what he deserved.

Way to go Nintendo, slap with the Megaton Hammer of Judgment.

Deserved? He didn't flame Nintendo, he sent a well thought out timeline. Please watch the video he made before flaming it.

so the only link that links the games is that each link is a different link & so nothing is, infact, linked?

Would it have killed Nintendo to come up with a more enigmatic response?
Chances are even if the next story appeared to set somewhere before Ocarina of Time, but after Twilight Princess Zelda fans would have come up with an explanation.
And plus it doesn't rule out completely new plots, because they could just say that it's so far in the future that all past stories make no difference.

Pity fans who have more interest in continuity than the creators.

the1ultimate:
Would it have killed Nintendo to come up with a more enigmatic response?
Chances are even if the next story appeared to set somewhere before Ocarina of Time, but after Twilight Princess Zelda fans would have come up with an explanation.
And plus it doesn't rule out completely new plots, because they could just say that it's so far in the future that all past stories make no difference.

Pity fans who have more interest in continuity than the creators.

Well it is sort of common knowledge that Nintendo has (as of late,) been a for-profit company to the core and probably would see no benefit in putting any effort into a timeline or even responding the various timelines they receive past an automated answer.

L.B. Jeffries:
Speaking as someone whose played almost all of them, I thought the games were pretty blunt about the fact that there is no continuity. Link, Zelda, and Ganon just get reincarnated over and over.

That, and the fact that your main character never talks, which makes you wonder what would even be the point of having them all link up anyways.

Yeah, I always assumed they were reincarnated, but it is kinda cool to see an awesome timeline that connects them.

L.B. Jeffries:
Speaking as someone whose played almost all of them, I thought the games were pretty blunt about the fact that there is no continuity. Link, Zelda, and Ganon just get reincarnated over and over.

That, and the fact that your main character never talks, which makes you wonder what would even be the point of having them all link up anyways.

He talks!!! YAAH YAAH are words right?

thiosk:
Lets have a petition!

Internet petitions _always_ work.

syrus bidnez after all lol

I agree

crazyhaircut94:
Yeah, you'd think he'd learn after being killed so many times. It's like he's a reoccurring villain in several episodes of Scooby Doo.

What I'm more interested in, is that the royal family always names the daughters Zelda. Even more interesting, they always get daughters. And here's a really weird one, why won't they put out when the Links save them? I mean, not even a kiss on the cheek. Every Zelda seems to have the same personality, it's like they're possessed by a ghost. With Princess Peach it's understandable, she is the same person who fell on her head as a child, but one of them should at least thank him for selflessly saving all of Hyrule. Or is he supposed to walk home without a reward. But I digress, maybe they'll answer these questions in the next game. And maybe I'll stop eating crisps, instead of promising myself I will.

(Also, it should be called Legend of Zeldas

Or any villains period, who dealt with the Scooby Doo gang. They were always really dumb.

They Royal Family probably does have other children, but they're loser deadbeat sons, so you never see them.

And she does put out, it's in the extended & uncut versions that haven't been released yet for certain legal reasons. XP

Among all the stupid things to argue about, it's to argue about speculation. I humbly thank Nintendo for coming out and saying it "There is no timeline, you ignoramuses." I think their time can be spent better by, oh I don't know, having a steady relationship or learning C++

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