Please dear god, just dont let them mess it up like Star Wars Galaxies.

Please [your religions deity here], let this game be everything they're saying it'll be.

CantFaketheFunk:
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Interestingly enough, during said Flash Point, we get a glimpse of some multiplayer dialogue choices, which is ... cool, but raises a few questions. Why did only the one player get to choose the Flash Point option, and what happens if I'm the second player, and would rather have taken the other branch? It feels like a slightly odd system to me.

If I had to guess, you only get "judged" on your options. It would be pretty cool if you could have the option on your turn of turning to an ally and openly disagreeing with them, maybe getting you bonus points in the other direction, but damaging everyone else's morale or something.

And hey, if I've thought of it, I'm willing to bet the folks at BioWare have...

They are referring to cut scenes as something positive.
..

I hate the fact that everyone makes such a huge-fucking-deal out of cut scenes. Plus, it will feel weird knowing that 47,256 other players are also "the best shot [that mentor] has seen".

I kinda lost my interest in the game right now. Doesn't look good (graphically, although it might improve, I doubt it will be much better) and the action doesn't seem realistic. The only good thing about this game (so far) was the cinematic trailer.

Addendum; The melee on melee fights look cool.

"I hope you are as excited about The Old Republic as we are."

Um, YEAH! Just a little bit. I am curious how precedence will work in the dialogue system. I'm assuming that there is a group leader, but this also seems like a standard quest, not an instance, so there could be options for other group members that we haven't seen. I wonder if you could disagree with a group leader's decision and find yourself in a PvP situation. There is certainly canon logic behind such a scenario.

I'm just curious why they were on an Imperial vessel. Isn't this Star wars: the old republic?

It just seemed...easy? On other MMOG's I've played, playing against 1 or possibly 2 things is normally the most you can handle outside a group or extra help. Playing against 4 things and coming out with barely a sanding off your health bar... kind of removes all feelings of difficulty.
As for how epic the fights are? It's epic when you and a group manage to take down iconic figureheads, gigantic bosses or getting specific gear from a challenging fight. Getting up to that point or just killing normal mobs like those shown in the videos aren't. Epic is a challenge, it's something you and possibly others have to work together and work well (With a splash of luck in the mixture), and if you do it wrong then you'll find that your work has been lost. Fighting 4 enemies at one time may be good at first but you are always going to be going up against groups, how epic is it when you've spent five hours in game and fought another group of baddies/goodies? It is just another generic, grinding mechanic like in most other MMOG's.

No thanks, if I wanted to end up fighting multiple enemies simultaniously without any real challenge/possible risk of dying, then I'd re-subscribe to WoW and go back to Elywnn Forest and kill rabbits (Because the Wolves are to scary).

vivaldiscool:
I'm just curious why they were on an Imperial vessel. Isn't this Star wars: the old republic?

Because it's the Sith Empire. That's what they were called under Malak too.

"first, I'm gonna wave at somebody, that's what you do in MMG-s"
LoL! Seriously?

Well, the game looks like it's a single player game, but with thousands of others playing it beside you. I mean, five minute long cutscenes? Fully voiced NPC-s? Actual story, with multiple choices? This is not an MMOG. This game looks like it's actually FUN! MMOGs are bad looking, don't have a story (that you care about), NPC-s are only there to give loot and quests that say "kill x of monster y" or "get x items from monster y and bring it to stationary cockhead z".

MMOs are not meant to have a meaning, only to serve as a second job and a lesson in humiliation and how society looks in it's rawest form. Spammers, griefers, greedy merchants, money farmers, and of course whiny, bitchy teenage kids with inflated egos.

This game looks different. It looks like something even I want to play.

Nincompoop:
They are referring to cut scenes as something positive.
..

I hate the fact that everyone makes such a huge-fucking-deal out of cut scenes. Plus, it will feel weird knowing that 47,256 other players are also "the best shot [that mentor] has seen".

Cutscenes are good. If nothing else, they're much less immersion-breaking than small text boxes, which is the only other option I can see. As for the second part, that's just an inherent problem of MMOs.

NoMoreSanity:
From the description I got from orannis, looks fun. Still the Sith seem slightly over-powered no matter what the limits imposed on them are, but taking the Jedi's Lightsaber was B.A.

You should actually watch it. I don't think I described it too well.

CantFaketheFunk:

Playbahnosh:
"first, I'm gonna wave at somebody, that's what you do in MMG-s"
LoL! Seriously?

Well, the game looks like it's a single player game, but with thousands of others playing it beside you. I mean, five minute long cutscenes? Fully voiced NPC-s? Actual story, with multiple choices? This is not an MMOG. This game looks like it's actually FUN! MMOGs are bad looking, don't have a story (that you care about), NPC-s are only there to give loot and quests that say "kill x of monster y" or "get x items from monster y and bring it to stationary cockhead z".

MMOs are not meant to have a meaning, only to serve as a second job and a lesson in humiliation and how society looks in it's rawest form. Spammers, griefers, greedy merchants, money farmers, and of course whiny, bitchy teenage kids with inflated egos.

This game looks different. It looks like something even I want to play.

Maybe you should play some different games, brah.

Or stop quoting Yahtzee verbatim.

CantFaketheFunk:
Interestingly enough, during said Flash Point, we get a glimpse of some multiplayer dialogue choices, which is ... cool, but raises a few questions. Why did only the one player get to choose the Flash Point option, and what happens if I'm the second player, and would rather have taken the other branch? It feels like a slightly odd system to me.

During one of the earlier developer interviews I read they mentioned that they are testing a variety of different systems to make this work. The two that I remember are that either the party would take votes on what response to give, or right from the beginning the party would select a party member that would speak for the group as a whole. They mentioned that there are still other ideas floating around for this and that they haven't fully decided on it yet.

Nincompoop:
They are referring to cut scenes as something positive.
..

I hate the fact that everyone makes such a huge-fucking-deal out of cut scenes. Plus, it will feel weird knowing that 47,256 other players are also "the best shot [that mentor] has seen".

I kinda lost my interest in the game right now. Doesn't look good (graphically, although it might improve, I doubt it will be much better) and the action doesn't seem realistic. The only good thing about this game (so far) was the cinematic trailer.

Addendum; The melee on melee fights look cool.

Isn't this the same with every MMO?

my friends are trying to get me into WoW and with all the cataclysm stuff coming out i was losing faith in this game...wont happen again

NoMoreSanity:
From the description I got from orannis, looks fun. Still the Sith seem slightly over-powered no matter what the limits imposed on them are, but taking the Jedi's Lightsaber was B.A.

The sith aren't overpowered. It's Bioware. I'm certain they aren't gonna buy into the whole "OMFG SITH ARE SO EDGY AND DARK!" bit. After all, most of the classes don't even have lightsabers or force powers.

LewsTherin:

NoMoreSanity:
From the description I got from orannis, looks fun. Still the Sith seem slightly over-powered no matter what the limits imposed on them are, but taking the Jedi's Lightsaber was B.A.

The sith aren't overpowered. It's Bioware. I'm certain they aren't gonna buy into the whole "OMFG SITH ARE SO EDGY AND DARK!" bit. After all, most of the classes don't even have lightsabers or force powers.

I think he just means that the force-users will be overpowered.

vivaldiscool:
I'm just curious why they were on an Imperial vessel. Isn't this Star wars: the old republic?

It's the Sith Empire. Like from KoTOR 1 and 2.

I have been amazed. The Smuggler is by far the coolest character ever, and he hath received mine vote for coolest dude ever.

The Flash Points look questionable to me. It certainly lends a higher grade of control over your characters fate, but I see three major problems with them.

1.) I worry about whether or not Bioware will use these to their full potential. From what we saw, it looked like all the decision to kill the captain did was choose which group of enemies the party fought. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. There's just SO much more that could be done, I would hate to see it go to waste.

2.) Unless they implement some sort of faction drift thing (*crosses fingers to allow a neutral faction*), "light" points and "dark" points will have no use outside of game mechanics, especially if...

3.) No one roleplays. I am going to be severely less interested in Flash Points if I can't roleplay successfully in The Old Republic. If Bioware isn't smart enough to have roleplay-enforced servers (with actual penalties if you don't roleplay), the game will suffer for it, especially since a large portion of ToR's forumites have said that they plan on roleplaying through the game.

If they don't screw this up it could be the first MMOG I buy.

Looks intriguing, but for one problem:

If you're forced to sit through the cutscene for every single event, I feel like the game could quickly become more of a chore than an adventure. I imagine that you could speed through the conversations when viewing them alone, but what happens if you're in a group of people? What if the group is split over whether they want to listen to all the dialogue or not?

Personally, I don't really mind cutscenes, unless it's the umpteenth time seeing them. I still sit through most of the dialogue in the original KotOR, even though I've played through it several times. But I would think that unskippable cutscenes would be a huge turn-off for some gamers.

simmeh:
Looks intriguing, but for one problem:

If you're forced to sit through the cutscene for every single event, I feel like the game could quickly become more of a chore than an adventure. I imagine that you could speed through the conversations when viewing them alone, but what happens if you're in a group of people? What if the group is split over whether they want to listen to all the dialogue or not?

Personally, I don't really mind cutscenes, unless it's the umpteenth time seeing them. I still sit through most of the dialogue in the original KotOR, even though I've played through it several times. But I would think that unskippable cutscenes would be a huge turn-off for some gamers.

/agreed

It does not take into acount basic MMO mechanics like people wanting to play every different toon to L10 to work out what suits them. By the time you get through the cutscenes on your third toon the rest of the server will be in the end game.

TsunamiWombat:

simmeh:
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Then you have a skip vote, like in Guild Wars.

I'm not familiar with Guild Wars, so maybe you can enlighten me:

When forming parties, aside from the usual, "looking for tank/healer/dps/etc." ads, was there also a, "skipping cutscenes" ad, as to not piss off people who want to watch all the scenes without being voted down?

I'm having difficulty typing this on my keyboard, as it is currently covered in drool.

I am a tad dissapointed the combat system looks more WoW then KOTOR, but I do enjoy WoW, so it's not that big of a deal. I just hope they keep the same or at least a similar level up system as in KOTOR. If it's like WoW's... well, I'll still play the game, but I'll be extremely dissapointed in them.