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So two people bitching about the game, basically saying they don't want it to exist, get rewarded by being flown out to see the game first hand? If I'd known that could happen I'd bitch more often. Unless of course those two 'members' were actually Valve employees who faked joining and they did this as a PR stunt to make the boycotter's STFU. | |
This defies logic. So, these guys complain, WAY more than some of the other L4D boycotters, and because their wails of doom are the loudest, and because their arrogant, pretentious doomsaying was the best, they get an all-access pass to investigate L4D2? What about us? What about the L4D fans that actually like the franchise and trust the developers? What about those that have remained faithful since the beginning? I'm sorry, but what about us? | |
Walking Target is the founder of the Group. So yeah, this is either the greatest PR scheme of the century, or it's legit. A good deal of the boycotters though will likely think the former, conspiracy theorists that they are. | |
To those who say "not fair", I don't think valve is actually thinking of it as rewarding the detractors, I think Valve is just taking the detractors too seriously, which actually once again reinforces why they're the best damn game developer out there. | |
I think this is real. Valve don't seem like the kind of guys to fake this. | |
When the boycott first surfaced it seemed silly but somewhat understandable. Initially L4D2 looked kinda rushed and lol (yes, I use lol as an adjective) but as more stuff has been revealed it seems to me as if the boycott has become more about being to proud to admit you were wrong than actually believing in what they say. | |
Iwould have personally chainsawed their face off
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haha his shirt, Im glad I wasnt the only one to notice it. Well it seems a bit 1984 ish but we'll see | |
Valve is awesome, to think I used to not like their games......that was before I got TF2 though | |
What do I have to do to valve to get a free tour? Give a (when considered objectivly) good review of one of their games, like yatzee, or hurl unfounded accusations at them ? The second one requires far less talent so I think Ill go for that. | |
I don't understand. Since when was the quality of L4D2 in question? I thought the main point of the boycott was about the announcement of 2 before any substantial DLC content was released and the effect it would have on the L4D community. Although you gotta give Valve props for being able to buy off the leaders for the low price of 2 plane tickets. | |
Jesus Christ Valve. You're so dumb. You don't give attention whores attention. It's just a bad idea. Release your game and tell them to fuck off. | |
You can't lose something you never had. | |
Yeah, I was going to say something about that. Fight the stereotype, eh? Anyway, for what I'm concerned, this whole L4D2 boycott business is all bs. The game's gonna rock, and you'll be first line buying it on launch day. | |
Honestly I could hardly read the article. I was like "What the fuck is that on his shirt" every 5 words. Just because your a good game devoloper doesnt mean you dont get to change your shirt. | |
I hope to God you're referring to the boycotters... | |
L4D2 detractors are like the 9/11 truthers... you can show a brick exists by shoving it in their face and they will still not believe. | |
Oh great...so even when the biggest naysayers of L4D2 are somewhat convinced, there's no chance that hundreds of thousands of people could be wrong, right? Nope, they must be Valve spies who created the group and are quite clearly being paid to say it's great! That or a sellout! Seriously, if you're one of these mouth breathing retards, please remove yourself from the gene pool. | |
...who else would I be talking about? | |
Too bad I didn't get rewarded for pre-ordering/supporting l4d2...Why would waste the time and money on these pricks? | |
Feeling self-entitled here you guys? (I mean the posters here). Anyways, I think Gabe Newell can go fuck off himself but I have to admit that is a well played move and one that put him in a better light. It may not be very effective, but it's was a good try nonetheless. BTW, thats a sweatstain. Ole' Boy doesn't need to wash his shirt, he needs to take a walk. | |
Rather than show the injustice of these two guys getting a free trip, Valve have been pretty clever and cool. By winning over two of the main leaders in this rather pathetic boycott, they have made all the other fools (who think that not buying Left 4 Dead 2 immediatly at launch will show Valve) to be the idiots that they are. nothing is going to be achieved by boycotting it. Left 4 Dead was a good game which was supported well, and still will be recieveing add ons as previously promised, and for those of us who after a whole year might want a new game... well now we have one. | |
Or the Bithers. | |
If I were Gabe, I wouldn't trust the L4D2 detractor with holding the crowbar (he might get ideas). | |
It's funny how someone can have a change of heart/mind and get called a shill or a sellout for it. Opinions aren't meant to be set in stone. | |
It's not like they could go over there and say "You know what? It's actually pretty shit". | |
Your quote was a little vague. Technically you could have been referring to Valve (basically quoting what the boycotters said) or the boycotters (by turning their words against them). | |
Half Life 2: Episode 3 news? Nope. So I don't care. They should've beat the crap out of Gabe and forced him to show them some HL2 screens. | |
Damn, the headline should have read: "Valve Flies L4D2 Boycotters to HQ and Gabe Newell ate them". Well good for them, teaching those bratty boycott people a lesson. | |
I wouldn't badmouth Valve, because I'm sane. | |
I'd be in stitches if that would've happened. Anyway, this pretty much proves that Valve cares about it's fans and about it's public image. Then again, did they actually deserve a trip like that? Fans like me feel a bit disappointed now. | |
I see what Newell did. He invited the heads of the boycott to change their minds, have them report back, and have the members of the boycott group turn on each other and eventually destroy themselves. Well played Valve, well played. | |
These boycotters are worse than town hall protesters. | |
Quick I need to start Boycotting Half-Life 3! But yeah this is why I love Valve | |
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Valve Flies L4D2 Boycotters to HQ to Prove Them Wrong
In an effort to give some very squeaky wheels some much-needed grease, Valve has flown two prominent Left 4 Dead 2 boycott leaders out to their headquarters to make them eat their words.
Despite Valve's attempts to placate the angry Left 4 Dead 2 boycotters by reiterating their intentions to continue supporting the first L4D, many remain unconvinced. "Facta Non Verba," they claim: Actions speak louder than words. Even actions like the upcoming Crash Course campaign aren't enough, either, which is why it looks like Valve has pulled out the big guns: The company has flown two prominent L4D2 detractors - Walking_Target and Agent of Chaos - out to its Bellevue, Washington HQ.
Oh sure, it's easy to imagine that sentence reading something like "has flown two prominent L4D2 detractors out to its headquarters, whereupon Gabe Newell met them at the door with a baseball bat and crowbar and a strong loathing for intact kneecaps," but no, that wasn't actually what happened. In fact, it seems to have been quite the opposite: The two were given the opportunity to meet with and question the L4D2 team in person, and to get their hands on the game and check it out for themselves.
The two seem reassured that Valve will not be dropping support for the first game. Their report says that 4v4 matchmaking will hit before L4D2 does, that Crash Course will be slightly delayed to "soon," and that the staff wasn't finished with the original four Survivors. But what about L4D2?
"[T]hings seemed balanced and 'tight' and did not feel like a rushed job. While we were visiting their offices we personally witnessed what can only be called a small army of artists, coders, mappers hard at work, which explains the rapid transformations in artwork that we've all seen," wrote Walking_Target.
"What we can say with confidence is that the quality of gameplay in Left 4 Dead 2 is not in question; and it will only get better (from what we understand, almost daily testing of game builds by most of the staff at Valve)."
The two boycott leaders may be on their way to becoming convinced, but does that same opinion trickle down to the rest of the detractors? Most certainly not: "As far as this advertisement for L4D 2 is concerned, this just disgusts me. This group is nothing but a shill and has lost every ounce of credibility," posted Steam user Keeshin (and that would be one of the more polite accusations, too).
Mr. Newell? I think it's time to break out the crowbar for the next ones. (And to, uh ... wash your shirt.)
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