yeah america, it would be a great loss if one city gets attacked

how many times has london, paris, berlin burned in games and movies?

but its suddenly such a big thing that one of YOUR buildings blows up in a game?

grow up you hypocritical idiots

Journeythroughhell:
I just can't get over that. When it is set in an Eastern European country (like the one I live in) it is perfectly okay, yet when it goes to D.C. we've suddenly crossed the line (I have to remind you that the first Modern Warfare depicted a fucking nuke!). Maybe we'll attack Cloverfield too? Didn't it decapitate the Statue of Liberty?

thank you
the nuke was in unspecifiedistan, and not "great american soil" so its perfectly ok (apparently)
sorry, i know this is offensive, and i know some great americans, but their foreign policy seems to be "if we want it, youre insurgents/terrorists/babie eaters", and most politicians arent teaching me otherwise
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*Stumbles on the floor, attempting to find his fallen jaw.*

Alright, that looks awesome.

Anyways, I don't think this is going to far. I mean, there's other games that have you blown up or at least fight on American soil.

Like, H.A.W.X.? There was a level where you fought in D.C. Or Red Alert 3, where you have to blow up the Statue of Liberty in a campaign.

At least these guys aren't sueing. Well, I hope they aren't.

Truly this might make me sound racist towards America, but I truly believe America, or majority of the authority and adults, is very sensitive about everything. Violence in videogames, depicting a destroyed America, Racism, Abusive usage of Justice (suing such trivial matters), etc. I know it's always good to be more protective than others, but wow, that's being way too sensitive for the matter. This is only my opinion though.

The British burned down the White House in 1812. Grow up...Christian...Science...Monitor....thing...organization....place.....people...whatever.

fix-the-spade:
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The difference he's pointing out here is that in other games, it's always been fictional cities. Even in CoD4, it was in entirely fictional cities (except Chernobyl).

I'm not saying I'm on this guy's side, just that I see his point.

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Atheists murdered about twenty million Russians not too long ago, most of whom were also devout atheists.
SEE: Joseph Stalin

I don't see anything wrong with it, except, the release date is a bit too close to Rememberance Day in Canada.

The voice-over, to me was a pretty scathing criticism of American policy. That the people don't care how much innocent blood is on their hands as long as the fighting is done in far away foreign countries, preferably without white occupants. But that if the fighting is close to home maybe they can be made to care.

I thought there'd be more uproar that the invaders seem to be the good guys than that it's showing the White House burning, huh.

OT: I don't like how Americans assume they're special, we've all suffered psyche altering terrorist attacks (granted 9.11 was a little more spectacular, and internationally reported), why do only the Americans want to live in a world where fiction never touches too close to home?

Hmmn, somehow I doubt these goofs would be complaining if it was Paris burning . . or London or Beijing or Moscow. But Washington, DC? No! Can't happen! That's wrong.

darthzew:

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Atheists murdered about twenty million Russians not too long ago, most of whom were also devout atheists.
SEE: Joseph Stalin

I don't think we should dismiss anything from the Christian Science monitor because of the Christian part, seems rather unfair.

However I'm pretty sure there's no Atheist code of conduct, and Stalin wasn't following it when he had those people killed. Also Stalin seemed more like a troubled Christian than an Atheist as he seemed to flit between believing and following messages from god to having all the churches closed and imprisoning the priests.

CSM don't know shit. The game is a piece of fiction. Nothing more.

darthzew:

fix-the-spade:
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The difference he's pointing out here is that in other games, it's always been fictional cities. Even in CoD4, it was in entirely fictional cities (except Chernobyl).

I'm not saying I'm on this guy's side, just that I see his point.

Not so. As has been pointed out there are plenty of games with actual cities we've been glassing. I named but two of them earlier: DEFCON and Red Alert 2. In CoD games I'm fairly certain we've been in 'real' cities as well. Berlin and Stanlingrad spring to mind, but those might have been Medal of Honor games instead.

Why is it to far? I cant stand nuts with their constant blubbering about this sort of stuff. How is this different from anything seen on tv or read in a book for that matter? Its not but older generations just dont understand the medium and we are scared of what we dont understand.

Wait a second! Americans being killed? American soil damaged!? Sounds like the War of Independance! That thing the christian society of America loves.
What is the world coming to, surely we should only be depicting brutally slaughtering people from countries that are not America.

Hell they're fighting for the whitehouse, what is more patriotic ffs.

I dont think its unfair. Religion is religion and should be separate from all else. Christianity (and all other faiths) is the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken pure and simple. If you want to believe in talking snakes and arks thats fine go for it, but I dont think its very wise to bring ideas like that into any other field.

So it's fine if the White House gets blown up in a big budget Hollywood action flick but heaven forbid a game should do anything similar.

Malygris:

but Andrew Heining of the Christian Science Monitor has a somewhat less enthusiastic take on it.

Malygris:

Christian Science Monitor

Malygris:

Christian

lol, god doesn't exist.

{laughing with tears in his eyes}
oh wow. this is freakin stupid. how in the world is that going too far?
you fought in stalingrad in CoD2. was that too 'striking?'

to see people DIE as they fought over the REAL LIFE CITY?

how is this any different?

From what I was reading on some of the gametrailers.com post its supposed to be a dream sequence in the game. Also its a work of fiction get over it u nut

All I can read is: Modern Warfare 2 Trailer Critized For "Being Too Awesome"

I kid, I kid, but I think it's a bit silly, it's just a video game, if it was any other country I doubt anyone would cry out, but of course America is special.

I mean, it's not like America is the only country that has been attacked by terroist but now they make a big deal out of every single thing that comes there way, especially in video games.

I mean, it's not like your playing at the terrorist, unless there is a multiplayer map in the ruins of DC, which I would so love!

Anton P. Nym:

Wandrecanada:
It would hardly be possible for a terrorist group to get a military presence large enough to actually pose a serious threat to US militia forces let alone the actual Army on US soil. Can you even imagine the logistics?

Firstly, who said it's a foreign invasion? The dirty secret of American history is that, historically, Americans have killed far more Americans than anyone else has. You've had a bloody civil war already, and you have plenty of "militia" movements in your past. Domestic terrorism (including police response) has killed more US citizens than all foreign-originated terrorist events combined. But no one talks about that in the US, it seems...

Secondly, please thank Mrs. Madison and tell her she sets an excellent table. Though the specifics of that event won't be repeated in modern times, there is historical precedent. (The odds of which improve dramatically if, as noted above, there's a fifth column movement already in place.)

-- Steve

I think the reason for supposing that it is a foreign invasion is the content of the voiceover.

If we WERE talking about an internal schism, maybe even with a split within the military (like the US Civil War), then the imagery in the trailer makes a lot more sense (but it doesn't explain the voiceover). Both from the historical perspective of conflict within the US that you bring up, and from a modern-geo-political perspective.

Actual:

darthzew:

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Atheists murdered about twenty million Russians not too long ago, most of whom were also devout atheists.
SEE: Joseph Stalin

I don't think we should dismiss anything from the Christian Science monitor because of the Christian part, seems rather unfair.

However I'm pretty sure there's no Atheist code of conduct, and Stalin wasn't following it when he had those people killed. Also Stalin seemed more like a troubled Christian than an Atheist as he seemed to flit between believing and following messages from god to having all the churches closed and imprisoning the priests.

I'm just pointing out the sweeping over-generalization. I'm not trying to attack atheists in any way.

Amnestic:

darthzew:

fix-the-spade:
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The difference he's pointing out here is that in other games, it's always been fictional cities. Even in CoD4, it was in entirely fictional cities (except Chernobyl).

I'm not saying I'm on this guy's side, just that I see his point.

Not so. As has been pointed out there are plenty of games with actual cities we've been glassing. I named but two of them earlier: DEFCON and Red Alert 2. In CoD games I'm fairly certain we've been in 'real' cities as well. Berlin and Stanlingrad spring to mind, but those might have been Medal of Honor games instead.

I don't agree with this guy, just so you know.

Medal of Honor is one thing, but we're talking about a terrorist attack on an extremely realistic DC here. I appreciate that realism, but some people don't.

poncho14:
What would he say if it was say, London burning or other big european countrys.

"ahhh, well......... we never liked them anyway", or something along the lines of:

darthzew:

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Atheists murdered about twenty million Russians not too long ago, most of whom were also devout atheists.
SEE: Joseph Stalin

SEE: The crusades/the dark ages

blue_guy:

Malygris:

but Andrew Heining of the Christian Science Monitor has a somewhat less enthusiastic take on it.

Malygris:

Christian Science Monitor

Malygris:

Christian

lol, god doesn't exist.

you made me lol sir

Malygris:
Christian Science Monitor

Isn't that an oxymoron? Why is anyone listening to or arguing with morons, especially of the oxy type.

Lol, I wonder how these people will react to seeing the USA get completely destroyed in a realistic fashion in the movie 2012.

Let's see what they'll have to say about that.

Soooo... when Hellgate: London came about, I should have been whining? Of course not. It's a collection of pixels, not an actual real city being blown up. Seriously though, some people need to get rid of their hubris and actually realise that shit like this could happen.

oh so it's not ok to show washington burning but it is ok for some 'far off town in eastern Europe'to be shown in complete ruins. Just because it's america for a change. Christ.

LOLWUT? That man can shut his stupid fucking mouth shut along with the rest of that organization. I didn't hear him bitch about an atom bomb going off in a fucking city in the first Modern Warfare.

I mean, you still play as the Marines and the S.A.S. it's not like it switches perspectives to the Separatists in the game.

On another note, does this remind anyone of the Resistance Fall of Man Mancester Church controversy?

What so its ok to places in the middle east but not in the us capital?

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Could you explain this?

Why do people criticize video games so much? Don't they have better things to criticize? Like movies? Or the president?

Ahhh nothing like a little bit of unfounded controversy to make a thread