I downt see what my fellow countrymen see in this its not like that kind of occurence is possible without the use of nuclear weaponry or the entire world teaming up to fight us, and if they used Nuclear weaponry then we'd track its launch and fire back and then we have Fallout 3 without any survivors, and if they attack us with standard weapons then before we get over-run we nuke them all so again Fallout 3 without survivors.

RelexCryo:

paragon1:

RelexCryo:

paragon1:

RelexCryo:

I'm American. No, it isn't going to far, if our government becomes corrupt and oppressive, slaughtering innocent people, and we cannot overcome that through peaceful means, then it is our obligation to blow it up ourselves.

It's not buildings or flags that are sacred, it is what those things represent that are sacred- freedom, human rights, equality.

Okay, so where did you get the idea that trailer showed a corrupt U.S. government being brought down? All it did was show some famous D.C. monuments in a war torn landscape. They didn't actually say what was going on at all. Or are you aware of something about the game that you haven't mentioned?

No. My point is that it isn't the bildings or flags that are really sacred. It is what they represent.Hence, showing the White House getting blown up isn't much worse by my standards than showing a trailer park getting blown up. Such things are nothing more than symbols.

Logically, if the United States were to get attacked by a SERIOUS opponent, then D.C> would get leveled. How is it possible for them to portray the United States as being truly threatened without that happening? Is it so bad for an opponent to actually pose a threat to us, that an enemy in a fictional story having a serious chance of winning is too much?

All of which doesn't answer my original question about your first statement of "No, it isn't going to far, if our government becomes corrupt and oppressive, slaughtering innocent people, and we cannot overcome that through peaceful means, then it is our obligation to blow it up ourselves."
It had no relevance and made absolutely no sense from what was being shown in the trailer. The idea you expanded on in your most recent response (which I think most people would agree on, btw) was only your last sentence. I was asking about the first two.

I already told you: No, I have no reason to think that it would be a rebellion against a corrupt America, but by the very nature of the fact those buildings are nothing more than symbols, and by the very nature of the fact that an opponent has to pose a serious threat to us for their to be real tension, I don't think it is anywhere close to going to far.

So why'd you make the original "Okay to bring down the government if it's corrupt." statement if even YOU had no reason to believe that's what the trailer is about? Why not just say what you just told me? I'm not questioning what you said, I just want to understand why you said it.

This "gone too far" reaction is the whole point of the trailer. Americans aren't used to seeing their own country blown to pieces.

This game should be awesome.

Patriot much?

I wouldn't cry if seoul tower was burning in a video games trailer. I would say "MY COUNTRIES IN A VIDEO GAME!!!!!!." I'd actually feel pretty good about it.

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

its a bit racist since its okay to make berlin or moscow into a burning inferno, but not Washington... so what if its DC? it makes good story.

Sci-Fi luver437:
Patriot much?

I wouldn't cry if seoul tower was burning in a video games trailer. I would say "MY COUNTRIES IN A VIDEO GAME!!!!!!." I'd actually feel pretty good about it.

our country was the first level in CS: condition zero... so i was like, we can now kill those damn terrorists in the south! THATS AWESOME! but it sort of gave the impression that our country was full of terrorists...

I thought the religious would be all over MW2, I mean the trailer uses a religious quote.

If by "Going too Far" they mean "Inspiring escapist forum poster FiveSpeedF150 to preorder" then yes, yes they did.

twat

What? Too soon?

I thought it was fucking amazing, too few games dare to portray the USA as mortal and vulnerable, and can only think of WiC and MW2 for that.
Wonder how far IW will go with the USA war? Go on, be edgy, say the US lose. How's about that for an emotional plot?

Malygris:

"In the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2... the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House,"

All this is, is another American throwing a fit because it's America getting messed up. These are the Americans that make me hate being an American.
Just because Americans decided someone is a "crazed separatist dictator" doesn't mean that's how the people of that country feel, so why is it OK to blow up their mansion in a game, but not D.C.?

This is ridiculous.

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

no, its because thats where the majority of both world wars, and a huge 500 year long monolithic war took place.
US is/was represented as a stalwart bastion of unbreakable strenght after world war 2, where we basically controlled the entire war, and manhandled japan and germany almost single handedly

toapat:

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

no, its because thats where the majority of both world wars, and a huge 500 year long monolithic war took place.
US is/was represented as a stalwart bastion of unbreakable strenght after world war 2, where we basically controlled the entire war, and manhandled japan and germany almost single handedly

Subtle Troll is Subtle.

cyber_andyy:
What about nuking Seattle or Air striking the Statue of liberty in WiC.

Bandwagon much?

Yea! What about the Red Alert 2 Missions where you can blow up the Pentagon, or the Soviets occupy the Whitehouse and the mission or where the Statue of Liberty is blown up by Dreadnoughts?

It's like they're jumping on this because they missed everything else.

No matter how you cut it people. VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT REAL LIFE.

I saw "Christian Science" and stopped. I pretty much knew what this was going to be about. Whaaa 9/11 whaaa.

Sigh really who cares what some guy thinks. It's like he can do anything about it, and if people are going to follow this person. Then they're non-gamers who don't know the difference between reality and fantasy, and would have been offended by the game anyway.

"The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

I bet he wouldn't have a comment about it if it was another countries capital.

Like many people have already said, it's okay to blow up germany etc in WW2 games but we can't blow up Washington in a made up storyline? Jeez. He needs to get a sense of humour.

Once again the Christian right pokes its nose where it doesn't belong, creating controversy out of nothing. I am seriously sick of religious pundits finding fault in everything, trying to get everyone to their way of thinking, this time attacking yet another video game. People like Andrew Heining will say and do anything to stay in the spotlight, in this case diguising religious right wing bullshit as "Legitimate concern."

When are these people going to you know, just fuck off and leave everyone alone?

Games like COD are meant as realistic depictions of warfare set in a video game universe, and I'm sorry if certain images might disturb you Mr. Heining, but your sense of outrage doesn't speak for the majority, no matter how much you think it does.

No Mr. Heining, you do not speak for me or any of the other millions of people that will buy and play this game. Take your opinions elsewhere and try to find something WORTHY to rally against, like keeping religion out of politics...

Enough of the blind patriotism!

1 - It's not real
2 - It's a bit of a wake up call of what COULD happen if America messes with certain countries
3 - The point being made is fighting on foreign soil can sometimes bring the fight to home soil, it is not a terrorism advertisement

I mean if I played a game in a bombed out Glasgow (my home city) I would be intrested to see what areas were in ruins and think where I am in it

It's a bit of a surprise that that's in the game but I'm intrested to see how that happens and am looking forward to it.

(I watched the trailer like 5 times before this and never noticed it was the white house)

whatever happened to soap macintavish? that was an awesome main character.

Super Mutants + Modern Warfare 2 = Fallout 3?

Chrissyluky:
whatever happened to soap macintavish? that was an awesome main character.

I think he'll be in the game as a support character, much like Captain Price from the original Call of Duty 4

bawwwwwwwwwww how come no one complained about fallout three that took place in dc as well...

Eatbrainz:

Chrissyluky:
whatever happened to soap macintavish? that was an awesome main character.

I think he'll be in the game as a support character, much like Captain Price from the original Call of Duty 4

thats good. but i still would rather play as soap.

Amnestic:

toapat:

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

no, its because thats where the majority of both world wars, and a huge 500 year long monolithic war took place.
US is/was represented as a stalwart bastion of unbreakable strenght after world war 2, where we basically controlled the entire war, and manhandled japan and germany almost single handedly

Subtle Troll is Subtle.

come on, US did supply the European war effort the entire war, and russia did a large part on the eastern front

toapat:

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

no, its because thats where the majority of both world wars, and a huge 500 year long monolithic war took place.
US is/was represented as a stalwart bastion of unbreakable strenght after world war 2, where we basically controlled the entire war, and manhandled japan and germany almost single handedly

yes, because Russia didnt liberate (ok "liberate") all of eastern Europe AND Germany. and Britain, Canada, France and everyone else did nothing. you werent exactly the only country involved who didnt get invaded (UK, canada, australia(i think))

And I wonder how all the afghan people feel about imaginary towns similar to theirs being stamped on by imaginary american soldiers.

Have a taste of your own medicine

rosac

Malygris:

(If you haven't seen the video and want your Modern Warfare 2 experience to be completely unspoiled, you may want to stop reading now. Consider yourself warned.)

Activison already did that by jacking up the prices in my country, and by treating PC gamers like scum by not even offering the over-the-top night-vision lens to them.

My my, that poor Dandy Andrew Heining, is getting the vapours!

I think the concept that DC is burning (again. Remember Canada?) is too awesome a concept. It works precisely because of reactions like Mr. Heining's reaction. "It can't happen here." Well, guess what, it can, and it way someday, if America doesn't get it's house in order. It's a global community, and the US government has to learn to play nice, otherwise the chances of this happening are drastically increased. I'm not saying to kowtow to every piss pot dictator on the planet, but to put aside the idea of American Exceptionalism, and treat other countries as equals, not opportunities to advance your own agenda.

But, back to the trailer, man, I cannot wait to get my hands on this game. It looks friggin' awesome.

If it was London, for example, there would be no problems.

Just because it is America, it does not make it any different.

Amnestic:

toapat:

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

no, its because thats where the majority of both world wars, and a huge 500 year long monolithic war took place.
US is/was represented as a stalwart bastion of unbreakable strenght after world war 2, where we basically controlled the entire war, and manhandled japan and germany almost single handedly

Subtle Troll is Subtle.

lol yea. well at least there's a simple solution to this: bomb the white house! then it will be an historically accurate portrayal and therefore perfectly acceptable [/badidea]

lucaf:
yes, because Russia didnt liberate (ok "liberate") all of eastern Europe AND Germany. and Britain, Canada, France and everyone else did nothing. you werent exactly the only country involved who didnt get invaded (UK, canada, australia(i think))

A: i was counting russia
B: US was always involved in WW2, we supplied the entire west european offensive the entire war, west europe would have collapsed in a matter of weeks under german siege without us

toapat:

lucaf:
yes, because Russia didnt liberate (ok "liberate") all of eastern Europe AND Germany. and Britain, Canada, France and everyone else did nothing. you werent exactly the only country involved who didnt get invaded (UK, canada, australia(i think))

A: i was counting russia
B: US was always involved in WW2, we supplied the entire west european offensive the entire war, west europe would have collapsed in a matter of weeks under german siege without us

it DID collapse in a couple of weeks. france was taken over quickly and we didnt fight again until Dday. apart from the battle of britain, but that was planes. and if we are counting planes then the blitz as well. anyway, if you were counting russia why did you say almost single handed? they did more thean you, more than all the other allies combined

This guy just kicked my Faith in Humanity in the balls no... he castrated it, I mean seriously can we get one game through without Christian Extremists or Extreme Anti-Racists (Not saying I'm racist but you remember the Resident Evil 5 and Left 4 Dead 2 contreversy with black zombies?) or some other stupid extremist group getting in the way. I'm fighting back the urge to type in all caps here, but just because this trailer freaked you out doesn't mean it goes too far for everyone, and should be removed. Its things like this that make me really hate humans sometimes.

lucaf:

toapat:

lucaf:
yes, because Russia didnt liberate (ok "liberate") all of eastern Europe AND Germany. and Britain, Canada, France and everyone else did nothing. you werent exactly the only country involved who didnt get invaded (UK, canada, australia(i think))

A: i was counting russia
B: US was always involved in WW2, we supplied the entire west european offensive the entire war, west europe would have collapsed in a matter of weeks under german siege without us

it DID collapse in a couple of weeks. france was taken over quickly and we didnt fight again until Dday. apart from the battle of britain, but that was planes. and if we are counting planes then the blitz as well. anyway, if you were counting russia why did you say almost single handed? they did more thean you, more than all the other allies combined

france was zerged, they didnt have a chance anyway. england didnt fall to germany.
russia had more losses then the entire rest of the countries involved, so that kinda hurts their effectiveness.
we manhandled japan with no support from any other country
we took down italy.
we supplied all non-soviet forces with food, equipment, and ammunition the entire war, ever before we directly got involved