russia still had more kills. congrats on japan though. lets just stick to france jokes :)

kommunizt kat:

Sci-Fi luver437:
Patriot much?

I wouldn't cry if seoul tower was burning in a video games trailer. I would say "MY COUNTRIES IN A VIDEO GAME!!!!!!." I'd actually feel pretty good about it.

our country was the first level in CS: condition zero... so i was like, we can now kill those damn terrorists in the south! THATS AWESOME! but it sort of gave the impression that our country was full of terrorists...

True. But everyone knows that S.Korea don't have terrorists. Instead we have a thing called " North Korea"

So D.C. is an indestructible fantasy wonderland that nothing bad will ever happen to? Americans need to tone down the hyper-patriotism. I'm sorry to all of the level-headed, normal humans in America, but you're the minority. Most of your countrymen are not worthy of being in a free, democratic state.

Nobody (substantial) in Canada took offence when the Prime Minister was assassinated in Ghost Recon 2. Nobody was offended when Turning Point: Fall of Liberty destroyed New York.

The fact of the matter is these people are just looking for some shit to disturb, and went to one of the American News Media's favorite scapegoats to do it. Stop giving these stories attention and you'll take their power away and not piss me off (not at The Escapist, but at the subjects of the story).

Dry your eyes, it's just a game.

You are always going to get someone moaning over a game... Just in this case its a Batshit crazy Christian...
Obnoxious Potatoe, I like your style. (Y)

Sci-Fi luver437:

kommunizt kat:

Sci-Fi luver437:
Patriot much?

I wouldn't cry if seoul tower was burning in a video games trailer. I would say "MY COUNTRIES IN A VIDEO GAME!!!!!!." I'd actually feel pretty good about it.

our country was the first level in CS: condition zero... so i was like, we can now kill those damn terrorists in the south! THATS AWESOME! but it sort of gave the impression that our country was full of terrorists...

True. But everyone knows that S.Korea don't have terrorists. Instead we have a thing called " North Korea"

EXACTLY so what if there was a game wherein you play the korean war continued? If I remember right you're war never really ended right? So what if thise N. korean dudes cross the border and wage war in a video game? That would be kickass and weird.

paragon1:

RelexCryo:

paragon1:

RelexCryo:

paragon1:

RelexCryo:

I'm American. No, it isn't going to far, if our government becomes corrupt and oppressive, slaughtering innocent people, and we cannot overcome that through peaceful means, then it is our obligation to blow it up ourselves.

It's not buildings or flags that are sacred, it is what those things represent that are sacred- freedom, human rights, equality.

Okay, so where did you get the idea that trailer showed a corrupt U.S. government being brought down? All it did was show some famous D.C. monuments in a war torn landscape. They didn't actually say what was going on at all. Or are you aware of something about the game that you haven't mentioned?

No. My point is that it isn't the bildings or flags that are really sacred. It is what they represent.Hence, showing the White House getting blown up isn't much worse by my standards than showing a trailer park getting blown up. Such things are nothing more than symbols.

Logically, if the United States were to get attacked by a SERIOUS opponent, then D.C> would get leveled. How is it possible for them to portray the United States as being truly threatened without that happening? Is it so bad for an opponent to actually pose a threat to us, that an enemy in a fictional story having a serious chance of winning is too much?

All of which doesn't answer my original question about your first statement of "No, it isn't going to far, if our government becomes corrupt and oppressive, slaughtering innocent people, and we cannot overcome that through peaceful means, then it is our obligation to blow it up ourselves."
It had no relevance and made absolutely no sense from what was being shown in the trailer. The idea you expanded on in your most recent response (which I think most people would agree on, btw) was only your last sentence. I was asking about the first two.

I already told you: No, I have no reason to think that it would be a rebellion against a corrupt America, but by the very nature of the fact those buildings are nothing more than symbols, and by the very nature of the fact that an opponent has to pose a serious threat to us for their to be real tension, I don't think it is anywhere close to going to far.

So why'd you make the original "Okay to bring down the government if it's corrupt." statement if even YOU had no reason to believe that's what the trailer is about? Why not just say what you just told me? I'm not questioning what you said, I just want to understand why you said it.

My point with, "it's okay to bring down the government if it's corrupt" is that government is not inherently sacred. Hence, showing the government geting blown away is no big deal.

toapat:
we manhandled japan with no support from any other country
we took down italy.

Australia and the rest of the British Commonwealth says you can piss right off.

kommunizt kat:

Sci-Fi luver437:

kommunizt kat:

Sci-Fi luver437:
Patriot much?

I wouldn't cry if seoul tower was burning in a video games trailer. I would say "MY COUNTRIES IN A VIDEO GAME!!!!!!." I'd actually feel pretty good about it.

our country was the first level in CS: condition zero... so i was like, we can now kill those damn terrorists in the south! THATS AWESOME! but it sort of gave the impression that our country was full of terrorists...

True. But everyone knows that S.Korea don't have terrorists. Instead we have a thing called " North Korea"

EXACTLY so what if there was a game wherein you play the korean war continued? If I remember right you're war never really ended right? So what if thise N. korean dudes cross the border and wage war in a video game? That would be kickass and weird.

I'd be the first to buy that game.

Oh screw the Christian Shit Monitor.

Tell me oh noble Christians... why is it ok to blow up random Eastern Europeans, random Russians, random Middle Easterners, but not the White House? How many times have we seen the Eiffel Tower get asploded in movies? How many times have we seen Berlin in ruins, playing as Soviets (you know, the people who raped and murdered their way back across what the Nazis already had raped and murdered the hell out of)? GROW UP.

Personally the White House getting ruined makes me actually curious to play this. Defending the US against... someone? Fuck yeah sign me up! Now there's a fight I can actually get behind.

Truth is stranger than fiction - and that's the appeal of the Modern Warfare series. So protesting a game that entertains by depicting a realistic situation means the protest is actually directed at reality. Uh ... good luck with that.

That CSM bloke is a wonderful example of the self-important, hypocritical, ignorant double-standards that give the rest of te world a negative view of America.

I'm here assuming its destruction is mainly your motivation to defeat said foreign enemy.
Speaking of which, has ANYBODY heard of these people? "The Christian Science Monitor"?

I believe I may have just been impregnated by that video's awesomeness.

Okay. This has to be THE most irritating thing I have read in a long time. WHY pray tell is it going "TOOOO FAAAR" to show a US city in a state of destruction, but in every other video game that depicts such a scene in the middle east, somewhere in Asia, Japan, China, South America, Africa, Germany, anywhere in Europe, Russia, and ETC it is just PEACHY. Why is it okay to depict their city's being leveled, and/or in states of deplorable disrepair and poverty? I am SO SICK of this attitude. I would dearly love the chance to talk to this subhuman piece of slime, and tell him exactly why he should not be spreading such views, especially in the name of christianity.

Amnestic:
In fact, I burned pretty much every famous DC landmark. Washington Monument? Rubble. Lincoln Memorial? Trashed. Smithsonian Museum? Little more than dust in the wind of a nuclear explosion that rocked the city.

If you also remember they put a stop to that in the game after due to the amount of complaints.

However complaining about being able to blow up monuments OR playing in a ruin of a major city is laughable at best. Come 100 years time when our childrens children are playing Call of Duty: Iraq, issues like this will be quaint at best.

im am an american and proud to be one, but i really dont think its that big of a deal, like the article said, its not the first time that crap has gone down in the capital, in video games, let alone movies, maybe not on the scale depicted here but it really doesn't matter, I think its an unexpected plot twist that will only add to our anticipation of the game, what's good though is that they let you now in the trailer so that no one complains about it not knowing that D.C.'s is going to be in shambles when the game comes out, which would probably create twice as much contreversy,

i mean i wouldnt complain but ya know, other ppl might take some offense, i dont know why though

Some people will say dumb things to the press just to get their name out there.

Some people just don't realise it's a GAME. It's not made by terrorists themselves is it?

Or is it? o.O

I wonder if he found it strking when that aircraft carrier struck the white house in the upcoming 2012 film? Or was it striking when that big 'ol green laser beam struck the white house in Indepenence Day

Personally I find the most striking thing to have happened recently was that journalist who struck Bush with his shoe :)

Forgive the bad grammer but I wanted to use struck & striking as much as possible :)

EDIT: Also, I think this will add to the awesomness of the game... No offence to you americans but when was the last time you heard of American troops fighting on their home soil? I think it'll add a degree of desperetion to any US side of the story line that you just wouldn't be able to replicate anywhere else

GreyWolf257:
I believe I may have just been impregnated by that video's awesomeness.

Me too! This trailer is a cheating whore! lol

Jeez it's not like it's telling you how to build a bomb and then giving you the co-ordinates for a nuclear strike.

It's just a game dude!!!

Caliostro:

Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor [...]

Aaaaaaaand, I stopped caring here.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking! Also, did CSM have a problem with Fallout 3?

Malygris:
As expected, the Modern Warfare 2 trailer that debuted on Sunday night was gorgeous and action-packed; somewhat less expected, I would guess, was the depiction of a blasted and burning Washington D.C. as a battleground upon which U.S. forces were struggling against an unknown foe. To me, as a gamer (and a confessed non-American), it was frikkin' awesome, but Andrew Heining of the Christian Science Monitor has a somewhat less enthusiastic take on it.

As a resident of the DC suburbs, I have to admit I think this sounds AWESOME. I also find it odd that they're making such a big deal out of this when World in Conflict did the same thing with New York and Seattle (as well as actual small towns in Washington state and Oregon). There is a certain way in which to handle situations like this, but in my opinion, so long as the game isn't attempting to portray an overt, negative political message (for example, that we should all join the Jihad and kill millions of innocent people), it's fun to use any variety of settings to portray a war story like this.

Besides, any fighting in any other major city (London, Normandy, New York, Stalingrad, etc.) was not protested as much. I don't think it goes too far, and I'm looking forward to this game. Particularly because COD tends to make me feel patriotic - of course, this patriotism comes at the price of realizing the futility of war... but it's patriotic nonetheless.

HE Starwind:
Some people just don't realise it's a GAME. It's not made by terrorists themselves is it?

Or is it? o.O

OH SHI-- *nuked*

Ahem. Anyway. Next thing you'll know "Video Games Directly Finance Terrorism" will be pasted across every newspaper in the world.

The objective is to fight the people who did that to the White House. Therefore, I don't see a problem.

RelexCryo:

gbemery:
Why don't religious groups stop trying to persuade society to their morals? In fact how about they stop reviewing anything mainstream out of their venue?

Why doesn't EVERY alarmist group on the face of the earth stop reviewing things they know nothing about? Why should just the religious groups stop?

Aethists in Communist China mass murdered innocent Buddhists because they had been brainwashed by Marxists into believing that religions like Buddhism simply enslaved the poor.

Aethists in Communist China had kids sent to camps designed to end their "addiction" to internet and games- and kids were literally beaten to death in these camps, even after the grous advertised that they did not use beatings. All because of anti-video game alarmism.

How about ALL ignorant alarmists just stop talking about stuff they know nothing about?

Couldn't agree more!

Anarchy In Detroit:
Oh screw the Christian Shit Monitor.

Tell me oh noble Christians... why is it ok to blow up random Eastern Europeans, random Russians, random Middle Easterners, but not the White House? How many times have we seen the Eiffel Tower get asploded in movies? How many times have we seen Berlin in ruins, playing as Soviets (you know, the people who raped and murdered their way back across what the Nazis already had raped and murdered the hell out of)? GROW UP.

Personally the White House getting ruined makes me actually curious to play this. Defending the US against... someone? Fuck yeah sign me up! Now there's a fight I can actually get behind.

Tell me, oh self righteous poster... why is it ok to judge millions of people over some opinionated members? Perhaps that high horse of yours is tired of being beaten by now, it's been dead for awhile.

Who cares what the christian science monitor has to say about anything? Firstly, they have both, "christian," and, "science" in their title, so any point they make is automatically moot. Second, I seriously doubt that they have ever given their seal of approval to any game rated above E.

I like the scene where this guy gets shot down in front of The White House and then a Russian Mi-24 army helicopters comes into the shot xD

Either way if they do censor it....

Then they shall have to face a army far more deadly then the US military or Russian Spetnaz

They Shall have to face the Gamers !! The most Hardcore and brutal army in existance we have never lost and we shall always be victourious !

HOO RAH !

Sparrow:

HE Starwind:
Some people just don't realise it's a GAME. It's not made by terrorists themselves is it?

Or is it? o.O

OH SHI-- *nuked*

Ahem. Anyway. Next thing you'll know "Video Games Directly Finance Terrorism" will be pasted across every newspaper in the world.

You know... I will not be at all surprised.

Jezzy54:
The objective is to fight the people who did that to the White House. Therefore, I don't see a problem.

Actually, I've been hearing rumours that you'll be the ones invading America. My guess is the "Soap" McTavish levels are leading a U.N. Task Force to take out the U.S. Senate after the nuclear bomb in Notiraq in the first game is blamed on them. And it will be awesome.

Xzi:
Who cares what the christian science monitor has to say about anything? Firstly, they have both, "christian," and, "science" in their title, so any point they make is automatically moot. Second, I seriously doubt that they have ever given their seal of approval to any game rated above E.

I'm replying to you as a quintessential troll on this thread that can't see past an organisation that a single person who has these thoughts belong to; Fuck off, troll.

Chipperz:

Jezzy54:
The objective is to fight the people who did that to the White House. Therefore, I don't see a problem.

Actually, I've been hearing rumours that you'll be the ones invading America. My guess is the "Soap" McTavish levels are leading a U.N. Task Force to take out the U.S. Senate after the nuclear bomb in Notiraq in the first game is blamed on them. And it will be awesome.

In which case you could argue that this is the true expression (via the medium of dance video games) of the Second Amendment to remove a corrupt government that should no longer be supported.

/Or something.