Chipperz:

Ph33nix:
i missed the gassing the bases...

OK, I was thinking of the bit at 1.12 when it goes silent, but on yet another watch it looks like they might just be psyching themselves up for going into the battleground.

I still say gassing D.C. is a good idea, just to shut up everyone who's convinced that America is somehow immune to attack.

i thought that guy was piano wired actually and the fact that they where in full combat uniform with body armor made it seem like some base in somewhere like iraq or that country they invaded in the first game. The bases design didn;t seem like an american base in america either but I could easily be wrong.

'Bunch of God-botherers say what?'

Wandrecanada:
It would hardly be possible for a terrorist group to get a military presence large enough to actually pose a serious threat to US militia forces let alone the actual Army on US soil. Can you even imagine the logistics?

Firstly, who said it's a foreign invasion? The dirty secret of American history is that, historically, Americans have killed far more Americans than anyone else has. You've had a bloody civil war already, and you have plenty of "militia" movements in your past. Domestic terrorism (including police response) has killed more US citizens than all foreign-originated terrorist events combined. But no one talks about that in the US, it seems...

Secondly, please thank Mrs. Madison and tell her she sets an excellent table. Though the specifics of that event won't be repeated in modern times, there is historical precedent. (The odds of which improve dramatically if, as noted above, there's a fifth column movement already in place.)

-- Steve

ZahrDalsk:
I'm amused that there are people out there who think there's something wrong with that.

They're probably patriots, too: the scum of humanity.

Yeah. Having pride in anything is stupid.

Obligatory repeated "blahblahblah author is overreacting" for the millionth time.

I never understand what people are trying to accomplish when they want to censor stuff like this. Why? Because it'll upseet others? What others? Why don't they come forth? Has there ever been a black person to come forward and say "I was deeply offended by Resident Evil 5?" Has there ever been a child to come forward and say "I was deeply disturbed by [insert mature game here]?" Has there ever been a hooker to say "It hurts my feelings that Niko kills all my friends in GTA4?"

The author here is particularly bad at explaining why this is a bad thing. It's "striking." Lots of things are striking. Lots and lots and lots of things. Go to 4chan if you don't believe me. Striking is not an efficient reason to completely ban something.

It's fiction. Chill the eff out.

It seems to me that he should have started shouting when Independence Day was released or, since he a Cristian Science Monitor writer, Resistance: Fall of Man and it's Manchester Cathedral bit.
I do think that the Halo ads go to far but only because it seems to equate game violence to actual battle scars. I don't care what army you're in or the legitamacy of the conflict but if you've seen you friends die or lost limbs/eyes it must hurt to have it trivialised like that. That said I would NOT want to see it band.

Ph33nix:

Chipperz:

Ph33nix:
i missed the gassing the bases...

OK, I was thinking of the bit at 1.12 when it goes silent, but on yet another watch it looks like they might just be psyching themselves up for going into the battleground.

I still say gassing D.C. is a good idea, just to shut up everyone who's convinced that America is somehow immune to attack.

i thought that guy was piano wired actually and the fact that they where in full combat uniform with body armor made it seem like some base in somewhere like iraq or that country they invaded in the first game. The bases design didn;t seem like an american base in america either but I could easily be wrong.

Yeah, the guy before the music stops is piano wired, I'm talking more specifically about the guys after the music starts up again, when he starts talking about "the soil which is not your own". I thought they'd been gassed, but it looks like they're psyching themselves up, going up the stairs and into the D.C. combat zone.

Wow, what the guy actually said is the burning mansion should be a middle-eastern leaders home rather than the american leaders home? riggghhhtt...

And, lets have some more examples then. Independence day, they blow up the white house with a LAZOR BEEMZ.

CoD:WaW, your fighting in the German Parliment building as it burns.

Many games and movies have this sort of thing.

So the problem here is that the war is taking place on American soil? Boo-hoo. In CoD4 you hear civilians of "some fictional town in eastern Europe" being slaughtered by ultra-nationalists. Just because it takes place in America, a bunch of red-necks are going to complain. Guess what, it's FAKE and either way, IW is American, if they don't have a problem with it, neither should anyone else.

Yeah the guy is just upset because he doesn't like it. Whoop-dee-do. How did this guy not see Fallout 3, again? Fail.

Assuming that fighting in D.C. is going to be a major part of the storyline of Modern Warfare 2, it could do wonders for "what is allowed" in video games. I really hope Activion/Infinity Ward have the guts to not cut these sections should they come under further criticism. Why is it that when something such as this (aka, a "Major U.S. City" being destroyed) comes up in a video game, people take it upon themselves to get upset. No one bats an eyelid when New York gets destroyed in Godzilla, The Day After Tomorrow, Cloverfield etc. but because Video Games are the current scape goat for society's problems, it's clearly a bad thing. Fighting on the ground surrounding the White House in a game isn't going to make ANYONE think, "Hmm, I'll go and get my gun and re enact what I've just played". Non gamers are far to quick to forget that it is afterall fictional. I really hope Activision/Infinity Ward don't feel pressured to edit the sequences or remove them completely.

As an American, I say let it burn. It might be cathartic to watch the DC politicians go up in a mushroom cloud - purely within the confines of the videogame before the goddamn FBI show up at my door. I am a loyal American citizen who was touched like any other on 9/11, but in a videogame it's not actual death, it's a dramatic set peace to make the final defeat of the villain all the more satisfying.

So these complainers are happy enough when games are set in someone else country but when its in America suddenly they are like "This is too graphic and shocking", well i say you have multiple standards to be ashamed of, thats verging on racism through preference. Also Andrew Heining, of the Christian Science, saying that its shocking because its the first time something showing destruction on American soil since 9/11 is ridiculous. 9/11 was a terrible event that like everyone else I wish had never occurred, but if you constantly let it get in the way of enjoyment then you are only furthering the suffering and therefore dishonoring those who truly suffered due to that tragedy.

I can't beleive anyone would be such as massive cvnting cvntfaced cvnt as to actually suggest that blowing up an eastern european town is okay, but blowing up Washington isn't.

Short and sweet...

ITS A GAME!!!!

Ok, the only thing about this I paid attention to is that theres something called the "christian science monitor".

That has made my fucking day.

Epic trailer. I for one, (and everyone else here apparently..) think that the author needs to chill. one of the BF2 expansions had a few "American" maps on there, and I don't recall anyone going ballistic over it. To me, its just another case of the Baptist church peeps/auxiliaries blowing hot air over nothing.

Hallow'sEve:
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty did it first

To me this is worse then seeing the White House in ruins.

If this interferes with the game's release, then the censorship is going too far. I say it's perfectly fine, since the game's story is FICTIONAL.

How is that too far? I'd love to see the city where I live beeing blown up, in nearly fotorealistic shape. Then I can go "Look! There's my house"

So long as the stroy behind the fighting is reasonably intelligent, then this is fine, but if its just 'teh russians sent 50 chopperz to DC to kill tez prez, stop them!' then i will lose any and all respect for iW

This is starting to creep me out, the enthusiam with which you all enjoy seeing DC in flames. I'm Canadian, not american, but that doesn't mean I want to see the american capital burn! Maybe it's because you're all thinking in terms of politicians being set ablaze, which wouldn't be the worst thing to have happen. Just saying.

I don't mind the game being set there, in fact I think that's pretty cool, though it might hurt american sales... a lot. The americans don't want to see their country being destroyed in a game, especially one with top-of-the-line graphics and realistic weapons (by comparison to most games, anyway). It's something that the united states is aware of now; that they are always open to an attack. It's certainly possible that DC could get attacked in the future, if improbable. That's scary to a lot of americans.

I'd like to see a Modern Warfare game in another country, like Russia or Canada. One of the other powers. Off topic, why do Russians think their country has been eclipsed? They're still a superpower, and one that isn't spending billions and billions on a foreign war.

Edit: looks like the creepy people mentioned in the first paragraph have moved on. Still, though.

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Not to mention the entire concept of science was 'heresy' against God. I think this world would be better without religion.

BlackKraken:
Ok, the only thing about this I paid attention to is that theres something called the "christian science monitor".

That has made my fucking day.

Especially since 'Christian science' boils down to saying 'God did it.'

Xan Krieger:

Hallow'sEve:
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty did it first

To me this is worse then seeing the White House in ruins.

Whoa! Was this a movie? It's intense.

No it didn't go far.

Every game has to have something wrong with it: Scribblenaughts, L4D2 and now the best game this christmas Modern Warfare 2

Am i the only finding the humor in the fact that this guy is freaking out over something happening to fiction D.C. and in the trailer, the dude is talking about people in america being oblivious to fighting and war. i quote "perhaps you cannot yet hear it [the blood of brothers and sons in the soil] because the soil is not your own." that might as well be this guy jumping up and down screaming "oh, me me me! I don't think this could ever happen in america!"

Chipperz:

Ph33nix:

Chipperz:

Ph33nix:
i missed the gassing the bases...

OK, I was thinking of the bit at 1.12 when it goes silent, but on yet another watch it looks like they might just be psyching themselves up for going into the battleground.

I still say gassing D.C. is a good idea, just to shut up everyone who's convinced that America is somehow immune to attack.

i thought that guy was piano wired actually and the fact that they where in full combat uniform with body armor made it seem like some base in somewhere like iraq or that country they invaded in the first game. The bases design didn;t seem like an american base in america either but I could easily be wrong.

Yeah, the guy before the music stops is piano wired, I'm talking more specifically about the guys after the music starts up again, when he starts talking about "the soil which is not your own". I thought they'd been gassed, but it looks like they're psyching themselves up, going up the stairs and into the D.C. combat zone.

oh yeah after watching it again I see what you mean. one of the guys however looks like he got stabbed by something small in the neck or injected with something because he is holding his neck.

Sorry, but just because you live in the U.S. doesn't mean a Washington D.C. battleground is any less appropriate than any real world location in a game.

The only issue I have is that it somewhat gets rid of the realism of the game in a way, if you can get what I mean.

Wow... people are already bitching? Like the Bungie Employee said "It's a fucking video game". If I wrote a book about Washington D.C. burning and being taken over by an unknown force would the reactions be the same? I doubt it, though that does sound like something Tom Clancy would write.

My point is, if another city in the world would be depicted as D.C. is in the trailer would they give a shit? Personally, if Modern Warfare would take place in Stockholm, fuck, I'd be honored if anything! Yes I'm Swede. Or in Belgrade for that matter! Yes I'm Yugoslav aswell. Lighten up

As a gamer and an American, I thought the Modern Warfare 2 trailer was awesome, to say the least.

In all honesty, Andrew Heining is over reacting, and being a good bit hypocritical, but really when The Christian Science Monitor is saying something, it is hypocritical, misconstrued, and a tad bit crazy, and they give anyone with any sort of faith a bad name.

Either way, nothing can detract from the grand scale that this trailer displayed for Modern Warfare 2. This game is going to be crazy, and a blast to play, and at the end of the day, that is all I can ask for.

"In the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2... the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House," he wrote. "The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

(sorry, messed up the quote thingy)

this is why i hate religious extremists. always messing things up. yes 9/11 was bad. but that was 8 years ago. its probably time to stop being sad about it. now on to the more pressing matter. first of all, the only fictional country in CoD4 was "The Middle East" which was probably named so because we (the americans) are in many different middle eastern countries. that pretty much blows half of this douche's point out of the water. Second, why is it OK to show a European country in ruin, but when the washington monument gets some soot on it, this guy gets angry? im only guessing, but CoD4 was pretty Pro american, except when the main US guy dies. im guessing that was put in for more realism though. many people die. its war. but my thoughts are that whats more american than fighting off the "enemies" in your own country, defending it, protecting it? what would you feel better about: fighting someone and winning because they stole from a store you were passing by, or fighting someone and winning because they stole something of yours?if anything, i think that this is more realistic than laying waste to a random building somewhere else. some people may know what the president of ethiopia's house looks like, but damn near everyone knows what DC looks like. these points may have been made already, but i just feel the need to express this.

what strikes me as odd and slightly racists is this comment

"The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

yes some games have made up a city some were in eastern Europe but some cities are real and they didn't really bitch about there city being destroyed in a game.

it seems to me for Americans is that its all fun and games when its some one else's country but when thing happen in America it's not allowed really annoying.

*COUGH*Fallout3didthesamething*COUGH*COUGH*

No matter how realistic a game looks or what setting it's set in, a game is still a game (unless it has some kind of message in it that involves actual treason or something, which is highly unlikely). It is not real-life.

Funny. We've created games that involve other countries (some of those games actually being banned from those actual countries, but they're legal here). But when we create games about our own demise, it's a big no-no. I can understand about those countries having games based on them and having those games banned, but if we create a game about us, having terrorists attack US soil and occupy the White House, and having US troops try to take it back in a valiant effort, then it's a problem.
This action has happened once before, but instead of terrorists it was Nazis (Turning Point). Nobody said anything then. It's an interesting point of view and twist of events, both for Turning Point and Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare 2.

Bottom line: people need to lighten up. If the game is that bad of a influence or is unconstitutional, let Congress or the ESRB deal with it in the way they deem fit. That's why they exist.