I'm an American, I believe that was amazing, and cannot wait to play through it.

No, I'm not insane and want to play it jsut to laugh at D.C on fire, but I want to see how IW treated the role reversal. Americans, speaking sa an american, have gotten scared of anything other than docile routine.

I'll use Zero Punctiation as an example, in the GoW2 review, he shows someone runinmg away when the game says, "Aliens r Good".

Person: Iran-Iraq-Afghan-Pakistan gets boom!
Game: No, Washington DC
Person: AAHH WUT NO

Yes, because rampaging through some town in Europe and blowing it up is perfectly acceptable, but when you think about what it would be like if it happened here it's going to far and wrong. I'm sorry, maybe I'm blind but I don't see the logic. It's alright for the violence to be placed somewhere else but just not at certain locations like that?

Personally I think this is what it will look like trying to get Obama to give up the white house in eight years, hopefully 2 (impeachment). They aren't terrorists fortified in the white house, it's Obama's zombie followers.

EDIT: back on topic (sort of, not really... what was the topic? anyway), I dare anyone to even try to take over America with war. Most people take their right to bear arms VERY seriously. It would simply be stupid to attempt all out war with America. Not to mention that if it got too bad I would hope that someone launches a nuke at their home country. The game is fictional any way does it freaking matter?

EDIT 2: Oh, I hope they include the IRS building! I'll stand there with a rocket launcher and just flip them off....Once I'm out of ammo.

If DC does get blown up this could pluge our selves in another civil war maybe we could have another presidetn like lincoln to lead us out and we become a better people to our nations and other nations of the world.

Oh sure, sure, it's OK if it's not DC? We can blow up as many people as we want, but they can't be American? And you're RECOMMENDING Eastern Europe here?
These people make me SICK. Anyone who shuts them up should be given a knighthood. Twice. On the same day. And they get to borrow the Jewels. And hunt Jonathan Pot-Porritt. And undo everything New Labour have gotten wrong.
You get the picture.
Anyway, Modern Warfare 2 is shaping up to be great.

So why is bombing the Middle East or Eastern Europe okay but not bombing Washington DC? Would this guy have been complaining as much if it was New York or Chicago? What about my country, what if we were bombing London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds, Io forbid? Is there really that much difference? For the answer, watch ZP. Whether the answer be long or short, it's a resounding NO.

killereddy:
Personally I think this is what it will look like trying to get Obama to give up the white house in eight years, hopefully 2 (impeachment). They aren't terrorists fortified in the white house, it's Obama's zombie followers.

EDIT: back on topic, I dare anyone to even try to take over America with war. Most people take their right to bear arms VERY seriously. It would simply be stupid to attempt all out war with America. Not to mention that if it got too bad I would hope that someone launches a nuke at their home country. The game is fictional any way does it freaking matter?

EDIT 2: Oh, I hope they include the IRS building! I'll stand there with a rocket launcher and just flip them off....Once I'm out of ammo.

I don't know why loads of you Americans are so annoyed at Obama. What the fuck did he do to you? Surely he's better than Bush. Who would you prefer to lead the country. And don't say anything stupid, like "A better country is one with noo leadarz loool."

honestly, i'm as sickened by by most of the responses i read here (by no means did i read the whole thread) as i am by the rantings of teh CSM ass-fuck-tard.

i see a bunch of whinny little gits jumping (back) on the "amerika iz badz" bandwagon.

tribal-centric fucks like your selves are teh problem.

your countries are the same as mine. full of self righteous pricks with shit that smells of roses.

*i'm not directing this at all on the thread, but if it hurts you, your prolly one of the targets.

g'heah, report me, ban me, i can still watch what i wanna watch here lolololololololololololol.

Malygris:

"Games based on current events are seeing something of a surge," he continued. "But something tells this writer there's something of a difference between a cartoonish Flash game where the object is to try to hit George W. Bush with a shoe, and one in which the destruction of a major U.S. city - in near photo-realistic detail - plays a central role."

No, there is not. They're both games, work of fiction.

Caliostro:

Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor [...]

Aaaaaaaand, I stopped caring here.

It's kind of like posing a highly difficult quantum physics problem to a 3rd grade "special needs" class and expecting anything useful to come out of it...

Seconded really.

By the way, what is the big problem here? 99.9999% Chance that you'll be tasked with saving Washington. What is móre patriotic than saving your besieged capitol? You won't be doing the bombing, you'll do the bombing of the bombers. Why can't they see that?!

But that's just using their own logic against them. It's bullshit anyway, as if it's ok to destroy a random city in the Middle-East or a village in Eastren Europe in photo-realistic detail, but when it's suddenly our own capitol ooooo that's too far! That's just utterly disgusting, as if they are not people, far away cardboard things that have no meaning. Yuch.

They are probably pissed off because it is showing their beloved america being blown up. they dont care about anyone else, but this shows that america can fall, which they dont want because they think it cant fall

Well it looks like some people can't accept that eventually Russia (Oh come on its obviously going to be either Russia or China) will decide to go phyco crazy on everyone and start tearing up the funky house war scene.

Its like, Fallout meets call of duty

[quote="Malygris" post="7.147987.3420600"][b]<a href='/news/view/95279-Modern-Warfare-2-Trailer-Criticized- the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts.

so... the white house 4 years ago?

so what about the people living in eastern europe it okay to watch their neighbour hood get blown to bits but its not fine to do the same to the americans

killer-corkonian:

killereddy:
Personally I think this is what it will look like trying to get Obama to give up the white house in eight years, hopefully 2 (impeachment). They aren't terrorists fortified in the white house, it's Obama's zombie followers.

EDIT: back on topic, I dare anyone to even try to take over America with war. Most people take their right to bear arms VERY seriously. It would simply be stupid to attempt all out war with America. Not to mention that if it got too bad I would hope that someone launches a nuke at their home country. The game is fictional any way does it freaking matter?

EDIT 2: Oh, I hope they include the IRS building! I'll stand there with a rocket launcher and just flip them off....Once I'm out of ammo.

I don't know why loads of you Americans are so annoyed at Obama. What the fuck did he do to you? Surely he's better than Bush. Who would you prefer to lead the country. And don't say anything stupid, like "A better country is one with noo leadarz loool."

I'm not saying he's better or worse than bush. In fact I think the last several elections have been a toss up between a giant douche and a turd sandwich (see the South Park episode), but that's beside the point. Obama won because he brainwashed every idiot into his believing him with his monosyllabic sayings, well I just HOPE I have some f*cking CHANGE when he's through.

and now that I have you angry and replying to the joke of my post I just have to say...
"I win"

EDIT: I realize now that I am off topic, I am really looking forward to this game. just wish I had the money to buy it.

Nimbus:

Malygris:
...the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts...

I could make a joke in really poor taste here, but I won't.

I c wut u did thar

lol

Malygris:

"In the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2... the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House," he wrote. "The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

What i get from this statement is that middle eastern countries can be blown to shit for all i care, but not my country. Or, America can never be defeated in any possible scenario, even fictional aliens a la Independance day would be destroyed by our mighty mecha whitehouse. Oh and i'm a douche bag and assume that if gamers see an image of the white house under attack they will assume they must mass at the white house and attack it.

Gentlemen, we have found a retard.

How is that bad? You can play in burning German towns in Call of Duty 1. I guess people just like to complain.

Aw, was someone offended by this trailer?

The whole point of this was to get attention for the Christian Science Monitor from people who have never heard of it or want to hear of it again. And it worked.

I think it's high time America got its share of digital carnage. I mean, America is so secure in its military power, in the sense that we don't have to worry about being invaded by Canada or Mexico, that is, that a full-scale military onslaught on American soil is almost unthinkable. That's why it's so cool, and that's why this game is going to make buckoo bucks.

Imagine if Hitler had actually listened to his brilliant generals, and had conquered all of Europe and Asia, and then decided to come after the U.S.? We'd have moved the capital to Cheyenne Mountain by 1945. There'd be nothing left of D.C.! That would make for a sweet game!

I stopped carrying the moment I read "Christian Science Monitor"

(Edit: 1000 posts? Hooray!)

I am an american and I feel that having D.C destroyed has more impact on me because I am like wow my home my country is in ruins and the country has been thrown into chaos i need to do something.
This should happen more often.

Edit: in games I mean

If this game is seriously getting problems over that, we should go to the source of all problems: the Independence Day movie.

Honestly, digging up a random article from Christian Science Monitor seems more like an attempt at stirring up emotions against the the right than anything else. Most of the responses here are pretty much "the right sucks," "America sucks," and "Christians suck" (pretty progressive judging an entire group/nation/religion based on a single obscure article) rather than talking about the game itself.

Everyone raise your hand if you've even heard of CSM! Those of you with your hand raised, how many of you take it's influence seriously? It's no TIME or Times, it's Christian mother f#$*ing Science Monitor!

Personally I'd assume any American would rather defend their country from an immediate threat than attack a vague foreign one. When I first watched the trailer my mind went immediately to Freedom Fighters (in other words, WIN). My only concern is WHAT could have done this, fearing ALIENS DUN IT and hoping for ALTERNATE HISTORY

Sanctus Hospes:
both Russia and China have the resources and manpower (if not the brass tacks [for now]) to initiate something like that.

Russia couldn't even make Georgia, a small former Soviet satellite RIGHT NEXT TO IT look like that, let alone D.C. In it's grand Soviet days, maybe, but now it's only friends are small nations with idiots for leaders asking "TANK PLZ."

As far as China's concerned, they have enough trouble keeping lawyers scared, civilians in line, and mouths fed to endure the political and economic fallout of a war with the US, let alone put up any sort of fight. China as it stands is as delicate a house of cards as a tragic portion of their buildings.

In summery, no, I don't believe Russia or China pose a realistic threat now or in the near future, especially when each continues to fall further and further behind technologically.

Now another option as seen in the trailer is random terrorist being the perpetrators, perhaps covertly moving into the D.C. area under the guise of civilians and utilizing synchronized bombings all over the city before launching a full assault, but this brings to mind two questions; How will the immigrant community respond to such a depiction and would terrorist really want to attack an entire city as crime ridden as D.C.? it's like a scorched earth policy in the Sahara.

300lb. Samoan:
The imagery is definitely striking, but the CSM author is over-reacting. I don't see why it would be more acceptable to depict "some fictional town in eastern Europe" as a bombed out wasteland, perhaps because that imagery isn't pulling on your American heartstrings?

Yeah that really pisses me off cause I'm from Eastern Europe. It's statemenst like this that make people call America fascist.

Destroying Washington D.C. sounds like an American Improvement Project.

I'm from the u.s.a still looks cool though.

Bah. This is annoying. I'm sick of these people pulling the "We're Americans, so we get the special treatment" card.

Y'know, maybe us Europeans are tired of being portrayed as Nazi's, divided on all issues and just generally evil, stuck up bastards who rely on the brave American soldiers to come round and save our behinds.

Maybe we'd, instead, like you to represent us as, y'know, heroic individuals who actually did a lot more for the world than Americans ever did. And not just the British. We have feelings too, you know.

Getting off track now here.

As I was saying, person talking is an idiot, America deserves to have some shocking imagery of it's own cities burning, especially since we need to hammer home the point that it's not invincible for once. Getting a little tired of the "America is the mightiest nation on the face on the planet!" chant. Stop using Europe as your battleground, since not all wars take place there and we're not really that evil to start wars at the drop of a hat.

Also, set more games with European protagonists so you could expand the European market. I don't even remember when and if I even ever saw a German or Hungarian protagonist. Make something a bit more interesting.

Might be off track, but very tired.

killereddy:
Personally I think this is what it will look like trying to get Obama to give up the white house in eight years, hopefully 2 (impeachment). They aren't terrorists fortified in the white house, it's Obama's zombie followers.

EDIT: back on topic (sort of, not really... what was the topic? anyway), I dare anyone to even try to take over America with war. Most people take their right to bear arms VERY seriously. It would simply be stupid to attempt all out war with America. Not to mention that if it got too bad I would hope that someone launches a nuke at their home country. The game is fictional any way does it freaking matter?

EDIT 2: Oh, I hope they include the IRS building! I'll stand there with a rocket launcher and just flip them off....Once I'm out of ammo.

You're more likely to cannibalise your own country from the inside before a foreign country marches on your soil.

Or do the former, then the latter.

Everyone raise your hand if you've even heard of CSM! Those of you with your hand raised, how many of you take it's influence seriously? It's no TIME or Times, it's Christian mother f#$*ing Science Monitor!

As someone who (although being English born and raised) has had a deep interest in US Politics for a long time, I take it seriously. Why? Because a number of politicians are Christian and make no secret of this. Your current President is a Christian, your previous President is a Christian and in all likelihood your next President will be a Christian as well.

But it's not just the Executive! Oh no, there are plenty in the legislature as well. If people are influenced by writings such as this, under the guise of "Christian Science" (a term that horribly befuddles me to begin with) then the US may see their gaming be less Free Speech-y than it is at the moment. Can you imagine what would happen if a bunch of politicians lobbied furiously against Modern Warfare 2 since it 'incited terrorism against the state' or something?

While no games have actually been banned in the US as far as I know, if MW2 gets an AO rating it'll be deeply affected. While I, as an educated gamer, might see this as fiction which - although perhaps offensive to some - is nothing more than what I said: Fiction, others may see it as something far more sinister.

So, up front, I think CSM is silly to imply there's any issue here.

Moving on though, there's a reason this type of imagery gets such a rise out of the US: we have zero institutional memory of widespread destruction on US soil, especially from an external force. Our Eastern Seaboard hasn't been an active battlefield since the 1880's, and the last time the aggressor was a foreigner was during the War of 1812. With isolated incidents like Pearl Harbor (Hawaii, btw, wasn't even a US State at the time), the original WTC bombings, and 9/11/2001, we're just not accustomed to it. Our institutional experience of "fellow citizens dying" is primarily of them dying "over there": Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Western theater, the Pacific theater. You don't need to invoke "American Exceptionalism" to understand why people have strong feelings about this; you just need it to explain our chosen method of coping with those feelings.

Now on to my real question: what scenario has IW possibly come up with that makes DC look like it does in that trailer? Fallout 3 makes sense: the entire world is in ruins. DC is just a single microcosm of destruction. Judging from the trailer, it looks like all-out warfare, a la the fall of Berlin! What military scenario results in that? It certainly isn't accomplished by a team of guys in street-clothes and bulletproof vests (seen elsewhere in the trailer). You'd need another military (or coalition) of similar size to the US military, along with the capacity for launching a long-range invasion (significant naval resources, supply-chain management, etc). It is exactly the kind of war that American generals have been fantasizing about since the end of WWII, spending way too much money preparing for (thank you, Cold War), and that analysts say is absolutely the least likely thing to happen. Nearly all major world powers are way more interested in economic conquests than military ones.

THAT's what fascinated me about that trailer.

its okay for games to portray america kicking the shit out of other countries but when washington dc is meerly a batlefield someone bitches anout it. i give a thumbs up for the sheer imagination of tryach for turning the most powerfull city in the world into a warzone.

gees the whole time usa fighting in iraq and as soon as washington gets touched some guy gets pissed.it prooves that some people have nothing better to do than complain.

Malygris:

"In the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2... the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House," he wrote. "The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

That's my biggest problem with his argument. It seems as if he's saying that horrific destruction is fine as long as it's not in the US. once reading that, he lost all credibility in my eyes.

So becuase of 9/11, you can't show images of damaged buildings any more ?
What an idiot.