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Gone Gonzo
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Malygris:

"In the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2... the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House," he wrote. "The scenes of post-apocalyptic scenes of carnage play out not in some fictional town in eastern Europe, but in Washington D.C. itself."

WAIT!
It's okay to have an unknown eastern Europe town being destroyed, but not our own towns?
That's... really stupid. Because I don't know any easten Europe towns, but I can at least say that there are actual people living in them. It's horrific for one side, yet this guy fails to realize that... he needs to grow up.

Copy Clerk
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When was DC blown up in GTA 4?

Copy Clerk
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After seing that trailer a couple of times this game looks to me like a must buy!

To much realism ? For a seven year old absolutely, but i am an adult.

Let us have this thread again with the release of Modern Warfare 5 in 2017, and discuss the rapescenes and the tort... i mean enhanced interrogation scenes.

Copy Clerk
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The sad thing is I had a commander who briefed pretty much the same thing right after 9/11. He pretty much said that "If those bastards flew planes into some huts in Africa then no one would care, They hit AMERICA"

I didn't take offense because I'm black and he mentions Africans. It's the fact that I guess there are lots of people in my country who think that innocent lives only exist in America.

Quite sad.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Amnestic:

Everyone raise your hand if you've even heard of CSM! Those of you with your hand raised, how many of you take it's influence seriously? It's no TIME or Times, it's Christian mother f#$*ing Science Monitor!

As someone who (although being English born and raised) has had a deep interest in US Politics for a long time, I take it seriously. Why? Because a number of politicians are Christian and make no secret of this. Your current President is a Christian, your previous President is a Christian and in all likelihood your next President will be a Christian as well.

But it's not just the Executive! Oh no, there are plenty in the legislature as well. If people are influenced by writings such as this, under the guise of "Christian Science" (a term that horribly befuddles me to begin with) then the US may see their gaming be less Free Speech-y than it is at the moment. Can you imagine what would happen if a bunch of politicians lobbied furiously against Modern Warfare 2 since it 'incited terrorism against the state' or something?

You completely misunderstand why people would dismiss the Christian Science Monitor. Not because it's the Christian Science Monitor, but because it's the Christian Science Monitor. It is a specific news outlet which is known for silliness on this kind of subject. Also, "Christian Science" as a term has nothing to do with the contents of the article, and the Monitor as a whole is not monitoring "Christian Science". If you're so confused, go wiki it, I think you'll find yourself quite enlightened about the whole situation.

Also, if you're so interested in American Politics, then it surprises me that you think a "number" of our politicians are acknowledged to be Christian. The vast majority of our politicians are Christian. It is a default thing to be in this country. You'll also find that most of the people on both ends of our political extremes would consider themselves to be Christian. The conservative percentage might be a bit higher, but it's not really worth noting. You'd be foolish to consider the contents of the Christian Science Monitor to be more indicative of the general American perspective, or that of our politicians, solely based on the common adjective/identifier of "Christian".

Infamous Scribbler
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That is a stupid complaint. When I read Christian I thought he was going to freak out about the bible references.

Muckraker
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I think the problem that the guy has with the game is that the time period is now not even in the far future as it Fallout 3 but personallly i am looking forward to it seems good at least basisc story line wise from a trailer, granted but yea awsome

Infamous Scribbler
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Because God doesn't care about eastern european mansions, so its ok to show them blown up! "Christian Science" I've heard of contradiction of terms, but this is ridiculous!

Gone Gonzo
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Christian Science Monitor

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I agree with what everyone has said so far, so what if it's America being attacked? It's FAKE! Not real! People need to loosen up.

Beat Writer
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Caliostro:

Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor [...]

Aaaaaaaand, I stopped caring here.

It's kind of like posing a highly difficult quantum physics problem to a 3rd grade "special needs" class and expecting anything useful to come out of it...

Exactly.

I hate these crazy religion freaks who try to get everything banned.

They just hate what they can't understand.

Infamous Scribbler
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I think the criticism exaggerates any evident problems, afterall it is still a fictional game, no matter how photo realistic.

Gone Gonzo
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I may be American, but to hell with patriotism, THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!

Muckraker
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honestly, the fight in dc makes me even more excited. i live about 50-60 miles from dc and have to go to alexandria for hocky practice and i love fallout 3 so its gonna be real cool

Anonymous Source
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We're told continually by Christians that the world will eventually be destroyed amongst disease, famine and righteous fire - yet we have a Christian here saying that the fictitious depiction of considerably less than that in a video game of all places, is going "too far"?

What?

Paperboy
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Of course if someone in eastern Europe said this than he'd be a terrorist to this jerk. What so if America got invaded then they won't hurt anyone or do anything wrong? GROW UP! This guys an idiot, just
ahhhh
i've got nothing else to add other than i hate this person with the marrow of my bones.

Press Junketeer
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It's a video game, not real life. Get over it.
Besides, they could have put it in any city. So why the fuss with DC?

I seem to remember us Canadians swooping down into DC and burning down the house over 100+ years ago. With America's track record in Global relations in the past 10 years, I don't think it's out of the question in the future either. (I hope it does not occur though. War is almost never a good thing.)

Infamous Scribbler
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Well, I'm sure terrorists will seize on the game, and make it their plan. As they play the main character, they will assume that this is the American military strategy, and as soon as they kill 11 Americans, they gain access to a helicopter gunship instantaneously.

YES THIS PERSON CRITICIZING IS DEFINITELY GROUNDED IN REASON.

And soon, crap for all the idiocy he is spouting. When I saw the trailer, all I could think was "bad - ass. want. now!" Wow.

Just, wow. This game does not even come close to "going too far", if you compare it to what is actually happening in reality.

Paperboy
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Oh come on, not being funny but every other country on earth has had the shit blown out of it in the name of entertainment. That guy just need a large unbunching of his panties. Funny enough the white house is probably the only government building destroyed for entertainment that actually has been destroyed before.

Copy Clerk
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Anton P. Nym:

Wandrecanada:
It would hardly be possible for a terrorist group to get a military presence large enough to actually pose a serious threat to US militia forces let alone the actual Army on US soil. Can you even imagine the logistics?

Firstly, who said it's a foreign invasion? The dirty secret of American history is that, historically, Americans have killed far more Americans than anyone else has. You've had a bloody civil war already, and you have plenty of "militia" movements in your past. Domestic terrorism (including police response) has killed more US citizens than all foreign-originated terrorist events combined. But no one talks about that in the US, it seems...

Secondly, please thank Mrs. Madison and tell her she sets an excellent table. Though the specifics of that event won't be repeated in modern times, there is historical precedent. (The odds of which improve dramatically if, as noted above, there's a fifth column movement already in place.)

-- Steve

If it's a US anti government force (which is scarier and likelier with the actions recently taken against a Census agent) why was it a Russian airport that was targetted for a terrorist act? And why was there retaliation in a former USSR state against US troops? It's not like former USSR countries are big fans of Russia. I mean... they left the republic via bloody conflict already. It makes no sense that it's not a foreign invading force.

I'm still convinced this is a jump shark either way though. Even if US civilians were to rebel do you think for a second that a military with so many nearby bases, hundreds of thousands of troops and the biggest suite of war machines in the world, would be stonewalled by a civic population armed with small arms and the occasional ordinance? This is supposed to be Modern Warfare 2, a game based in the same world as the first. That world was not different from our own save that a former USSR military commander, a despot and an anti Russian/US terrorist group happened to take over an old cold war MIRV bunker. It's not far fetched since there are likely some bases that existed outside of what is now Russia. Taking US soil, especially the capitol city, over an ocean with overwhelming military force enough to light the entire skyline on fire? Please.

Anonymous Source
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It's been repeated in this thread many times over, but yeah... the same people who decry killing fictional, virtual Americans in a video game are totally gung-ho when real-life, breathing non-Americans are killed.

What a wonderful world.

Gone Gonzo
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So its all right to see death and destruction in other places but the United States? What a joke.

Paperboy
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wasnt there a game where the nazis invaded and took over the us and what bout fallout 3 nobody cared when we got nuked

Gone Gonzo
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Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor

And that is when this article lost credibility. 9/11, while painful was 8 years ago... I know it was painful, but you've got to move on at some point people, dwelling in the past has never accomplished anything.

Gone Gonzo
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TheHitcher:

Caliostro:

Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor [...]

Aaaaaaaand, I stopped caring here.

It's kind of like posing a highly difficult quantum physics problem to a 3rd grade "special needs" class and expecting anything useful to come out of it...

Exactly.

I hate these crazy religion freaks who try to get everything banned.

They just hate what they can't understand.

Kind of like how this thread is full of hate for the Christian Science Monitor, from people who don't understand it's a secular paper.

Bored Tomatoe:

Malygris:

The Christian Science Monitor

And that is when I stopped.

had you continued, you might have seen the dozens of other people who made this exact post.

Paperboy
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heh, ya know this is just like 'those' americans. oh sure its ok to see russia/iraq/china/vietnam or whatever other country you like burn to the ground, but the minute you [ut america itself in jepordy, the game becomes 'too much' frankly its nice to see a current FPS take place in somewhere other than the middle east or eastern europe. while america may not ahve been my first choice, its still nice to see the change of venue.

Beat Writer
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Ahh, super-patriots you strike again. Really though how can you complain about something like this. Not to mention the other games and forms of art that have depicted the same thing, (The Condiut, Turning Point, Fallout 3) but whhen i logged in to check my email, i saw in the recent news thing that plaestinians were worried about some bill. The picture was of them (protesters) burning an american flag while it lied on the ground. That angered me more than seeing this trailer which i actually saw yesterday.

Super-patriots , as i call them, need to stop bithing every time thier beloved america is depicted in a negative or hurt way. I had actually had some German exchange students in my class today and when we all go up to do the pledge of alligianc, it occured to me how odd it must be to them when every suddenly stops and pledges themselves to their country. and we do this every fucking day.I'm not trying to bash america \, for i'm an american myself. Truly we are the most eccentric and patriotic countries.

Paperboy
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also what about the war of 1812? washington got burned and i saw a painting of it in my 7th grade text book and nobody cares about that and that actually happened.

But why should we care? if they didnt ban grandtheft auto or manhunt they arent going to ban this game

Press Junketeer
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This is what I said, the sequal should be set in a rebeling america. Not exactly what I meant, but jesus christ this looks so fucking sick. They have now gone from awesome game to Mother******* most anticipated game I have ever wanted.

Anonymous Source
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I just think it's funny that one game where DC burns is unacceptable, but hundreds of WW2 games are okay. How do you think the Germans and Japanese feel about constantly being portrayed as evil monsters, zombies, paranormal psychos and so on. And all because it's Americas one moment of glory in a history of fuck ups? And last I checked, eastern Europe and the middle east are mostly made up of innocent civilians trying to live there lives, not bent-on-destruction-of-america terrorists.

And if you look at it from a religious perspective, what better place for the rapture to begin thatn the USA. The land of decadence, extortion and war. No other country has as little regard for any of god's laws. And they do it in god's name no less.

I believe that games chould not be viewed as political or religious statements, they're GAMES! There are worse things in the world. Like CSM idiots who ought to look into pop culture etc, before they mouth off about something they don't understand. Why was the jerk even watching a trailer for a WAR GAME? -.-

Beat Writer
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Sweet trailer. Graphics look ftw. The white house on that reminded me of the last level in Armageddon (That really bad game from years ago.. anyone else remember that?)

Beat Writer
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Malygris:

"the gallant mansion reduced to rubble doesn't belong to some crazed separatist dictator hellbent on all kinds of nefarious acts. Instead, it's the White House

Unless it was set during the Bush years?

Muckraker
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Reaper195:

gRiM_rEaPeRsco:
"Christian Science Monitor"?? not too long ago christians murdered hundreds of scientists most of who were devout christians.

Not to mention the entire concept of science was 'heresy' against God. I think this world would be better without religion.

ye i totally agree, the history of all religeons is stained with the blood of millions of innoscents

Muckraker
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When I saw the white house part, i jizzed a little

I don't see the big deal. So realistic looking soldiers dying in gruesome manners is just peachy, but a house getting takin over and partially destroyed is too far? Un-fuckin-believable.

Gone Gonzo
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Isn't Christian Science an oxymoron? Anyway, I thought that Infamy trailer was BADASS. The ability to storm the US capitial and free the white house(I assume, unless they nuke it like in mw 1)from foreign invader really intense.

Paperboy
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D_987:
Jeez, a bit quick to complain before we even know anything about the game...?

Trailers can be pretty deceiving. Besides which, why is it ok to let players engage in realistic battles in "photo-realistic" world war 2 fights, but not ok to produce a modern replica of a fictional battle?

EDIT : 4444 th post =)

Hmmm... reminds me of the whole H.A.V.E online controversy we had I while back. Except that was at least was a cause for legitimate outrage. They completely copied (or so it seems) TF2!
All the Christian Science Monitor have is the images of burnt DC which apparently their Patriotic hearts just can't handle(by the way it happened before in US history too so I'm interested on what they would say if this game wasn't fiction and had to do with the war of 1812.) all that's left is to sprinkle a little 9/11 in there and bingo you've got your perfect American movement against video games founded upon ignorance. Please Christian Science Monitor let us nerds -the ones who buy the games- make the decision on whether or not this is just so immoral, that is all.

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