Why can't you understand that if you don't like something, you don't HAVE to buy it?
This has to rank as one of the most idiotic arguments ever. Of course I don't HAVE to buy it, but that's not the point! As an IW and CoD fan I feel that it is necessary for me to tell them that I think this game is not worth my money. Whether they care or not is up to them, but I am entitled to expressing my opinion of their product. It is called consumer feedback; I tell IW/Activision what they need to include in their product in order for me to buy it, and they get the chance to make the changes that they feel is necessary. As a consumer I think it's courteous to let the companies know what they need to do to make money off me, instead of just having them stumbling in the dark.
johnman: Maybe we dont want forced match making? We dont want all these things that console owners love and need...
I'm a console gamer and I HATE matchmaking. I wish CoD had dedicated servers for consoles, I've been begging for it on their forum (IW) for a long time now. I hate how the PC gamers get the best online experience by far. EA uses dedicated servers for their console games, but they give us no browser, so we get stuck on servers on the other side of the planet. It sucks.
Honestly, I'm hoping IW doesn't fold. I'm sick of the PC gamers getting the good stuff and acting high and mighty about it. It's time you were all (the ones that do act this way, there are PC gamers that aren't arrogant jerks) knocked down a few pegs.
johnman: Maybe we dont want forced match making? We dont want all these things that console owners love and need...
I'm a console gamer and I HATE matchmaking. I wish CoD had dedicated servers for consoles, I've been begging for it on their forum (IW) for a long time now. I hate how the PC gamers get the best online experience by far. EA uses dedicated servers for their console games, but they give us no browser, so we get stuck on servers on the other side of the planet. It sucks.
Honestly, I'm hoping IW doesn't fold. I'm sick of the PC gamers getting the good stuff and acting high and mighty about it. It's time you were all (the ones that do act this way, there are PC gamers that aren't arrogant jerks) knocked down a few pegs.
So you would have it just to spite us? That's a damn nice point of view.
So you would have it just to spite us? That's a damn nice point of view.
It's actually quite ironic. Instead of getting angry at publishers and devlopers for providing substandard multiplayer matchups on consoles, he gets angry at PC gamers for using the better tools provided by publishers and developers for the PC. Completely the wrong target, but it suits the companies just fine, as long as no one si complaining about them directly.
So you would have it just to spite us? That's a damn nice point of view.
It's actually quite ironic. Instead of getting angry at publishers and devlopers for providing substandard multiplayer matchups on consoles, he gets angry at PC gamers for using the better tools provided by publishers and developers for the PC. Completely the wrong target, but it suits the companies just fine, as long as no one si complaining about them directly.
Well, it seems that pc gamers are complaining pretty loudly at the moment. :D Which of course is entirely reasonable. We are getting the short end of the stick. Again, I might add. Oh, well, we have a ton of other games to play if IW keeps this madness up. And a metric fuck ton of great mods as well. And decently moderated servers. And awesome communities, catering to just about every taste. And better pings. And consistent servers that don't fold when the host rage quits. And a mouse and keyboard. I guess we can do without MW2 actually if all fails.
will1182: Boo-frickity-hoo, I say. I'm a console man, so I don't see what the big deal is.
It eliminates fun servers, jump-in servers, very fast servers, puts strain on my connection, ISP throttles P2P to counter kazaa users, dumbs it down when nearly all PC gamers know how to use and sort a server browser. Big fuckin deal.
Im A 360 dude. I have some exp in online pc games, yet dont own any. Im rooting for the dedicated servers, and here's why: A while ago this game called halo 3 came out. It's not the greatest thing ever, but it's a fun party shooter for messing around with buddies. Now, I LOVE LOVE the infection gametype. I was always ready to play it, heck I'd back out of the final level just to accept an infection invite. Now infection wasn't on the playlists, you had to join someone or be invited. SO what I'd do was go to big team battle, play a round, quit out, join a new one until my recent players list was full. I'd then scroll down the names one at a time, clicking them to see if they're joinable and if they're playing infection. I had maybe a 5% success rate. It made me remember playing the halo 1 demo, I wish I could just search all the private rooms for infection, instead of this tedious roundabout way to get in. I sincerely hope the PC gamers dont have to share my pain, I'd LOVE the option to chose MM or pick a server located in charlotte, NC where I live for optimal ping. Yet I dont have that choice. Im sure most 360 users dont even realise the crap we have to put up with, but we get so used to it that it doesnt bother us and even seems normal. Doing what I had to do just to play your favorite game mode is NOT user-friendly, nor accesible. I have the know-how to play pc games, but not the rig yet. But whn I do, I'd love to play MW2 on dedicated servers, long after mw3 has been released. Otherwise the game only lasts as long as IW says it does. In conclusion, I'd like to have both MM AND the option of dedicated servers for those who hate sending private messages to all recent players repeatedly just to get a decent room full to play cod4 michael myers games. What I dont understand is why those in favor of MM want the dedicated servers gone just because they didnt use them. It's like removing left-hand options for the controller, sure you CAN get used to playing with right-handed controls but WHY would you get rid of the option? I dont buy that 'having both would fragment the community' stuff either, Its obvious that those who never want to see a dedi-serv ever again should have the right to play MM only, while those who never want to endure the woes of MM will have their servers. It would work, MM for experience and rankings, dedi-servs for playing your favorite modes that everyone always veto's. power to the PC, yo.
I thankfully don't have any emotional investment in MW 2, but the tendency of developers pulling stuff like this is precisely why consoles annoy me by their mere existence - you get homogeneous experiences designed around the limitations of the consoles, which translates into the PC version sucking. There are facets of game design for consoles that just do not pass muster on the PC platform, and this is most of them at work. Way to piss on your fanbase Infinity Ward, you must be proud of yourselves.
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
Pretty much this.
I don't know about how all this matching up works, but wouldnt it be possible to add both a "quick match" option AND a server browser?
Was going to say this till you did...damn. What was wrong with the 'Quick match' button. Isn't all this bumph just I.W removing a usefull feature and not replacing it? I'm not really a partisan as the last on-line F.P.S I played was Battlefield 2 but I like having the option of choosing my own game. If finding a server was really an abillity only grasped by these 'Elitist' fps players I : A: Despair at the state of the species (nothing special there i do that anyway) B wonder why they didn't click quick match.
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
Pretty much this.
I don't know about how all this matching up works, but wouldnt it be possible to add both a "quick match" option AND a server browser?
Was going to say this till you did...damn. What was wrong with the 'Quick match' button. Isn't all this bumph just I.W removing a usefull feature and not replacing it? I'm not really a partisan as the last on-line F.P.S I played was Battlefield 2 but I like having the option of choosing my own game. If finding a server was really an abillity only grasped by these 'Elitist' fps players I : A: Despair at the state of the species (nothing special there i do that anyway) B wonder why they didn't click quick match.
exactly as many people here, and in other threads, have said it is possible to have both functions on a pc.
i was looking forward to purchasing MW2 for pc so i could enjoy the usual good multiplayer with it. but it turns out im not such a big fan of paying more for less features
Thanks for the reply. I can agree with you on the whole looking down part. No need for that. I certainly don't hate console players but I don't like my PS3 as much as I like my PC. It just is inferior. There is a place for consoles I think and I have a gazzillion games for my PS2 and PS3. I just prefer my PC when it comes to some games and for online gaming. I want the freedom of choice. I don't mind that others prefer consoles. I just mind that they try to implement what I, and others, see as an inferior system on a pc game. I certainly don't think you are ignorant for preferring consoles. The beauty part is, we both have our systems and there is no need for us to be anything but friends in the cause of gaming. I just want my PC to stay PC. If I want a match making system I'll play on my console. Which I don't. I want dedi servers. Implement all the MM systems in the world you like, just let me have my freedom to chose. That's why I don't like consoles. All choice is gone.
As do I, and I've only been PC gaming for 9 months since I built my first computer this year. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, the experience of PC gaming is just superior, it's fact, anyone who says otherwise is wearing console fanboyism glasses, gaming on the PC is by far the best gaming experience, you get the most freedom and bigger community aspect as it is too. I love my 360 also, but since I built my computer it's just been gathering dust, but I do pop in Gears of War 2 every now and again and have a game or two, but I always go back to my PC because I have more games on it,(sold my xbox games)they showcase better graphics, sometimes better gameplay features(in the case of the PC version of ME)and to top it all off they're cheaper to boot.
I really don't like the general direction gaming is going as a whole, an all dlc future, developers cutting bits out of games before they're released to release them later for more money, I can understand that some people say they might not have begun work on maps before the game went gold etc etc and I'm inclined to believe them but my trust in alot of developers has faultered, I wouldn't be surprised if they were lying, just so the could make more money, it wouldn't be above Activision, what with upping the game price because of the "credit crunch" and such. And then you get this, a dick move to put all most other dick moves to shame, removal of dedicated servers. I'm well aware I may not be a hardcore PC gamer(haven't been playing for long enough)but really,(again like someone has said)if you know what a GTX275 is, if you know what to look for in a graphics card, a mobo, ram, power supply, etc and put them all together then you wouldn't suddenly not know how to use a server browser, you would know what you're doing. Like your local newspaper IW are trying to sugarcoat the issue and basically fob us off with excuses, we have a right to be angry really.
I don't mean this in a condescending way but really console players actually truely don't have a clue how big a deal this is, why would we be kicking up such a fuss otherwise.
I've already decided to not get MW2, between no dedicated servers and just Activision's business policies, it's just not worth my time really, and I know the game will be one of the best this year...I just can't stand matchmaking as the only option.
Regardless of the issue at hand, this thread has shown just how many people around here are douchebags who are happy when someone else is screwed over...
As for the comments like this:
DemonI81: I'm a console gamer and I HATE matchmaking. I wish CoD had dedicated servers for consoles, I've been begging for it on their forum (IW) for a long time now. I hate how the PC gamers get the best online experience by far. EA uses dedicated servers for their console games, but they give us no browser, so we get stuck on servers on the other side of the planet. It sucks.
Honestly, I'm hoping IW doesn't fold. I'm sick of the PC gamers getting the good stuff and acting high and mighty about it. It's time you were all (the ones that do act this way, there are PC gamers that aren't arrogant jerks) knocked down a few pegs.
Shouldn't you be asking for those features in your own console games? Shouldn't console gamers be demanding better treatment and access to such features? And can you in any way deny that you're just being an arse when expressing joy at someone else's misery? I would love to see console gamers get the option to set up dedicated servers. I wouldn't feel bad if they got dedicated server support for all their games. Heck, I'd be happy since it would be a good thing for all gamers. And yet, you squal with joy whenever PC gamers get screwed over. Must be mouse envy...
No_Remainders: On the contrary, I play with friends quite a bit on xbox live. Why should people be allowed to farm exp? It makes it unfair on people who play properly. I play with friends, always on the same team as them, and none of us are exactly "pro". I'm halfway decent, but we play for a thing called "fun". When did gaming stop being about enjoying yourself and start being about being the best possible player?
Sorry, nothing in your post there answered much of anything. Care to try again?
Just to refresh your memory:
1) Why shouldn't people be able to play with the same players regularly? You seemed to be against this, but now you've said you yourself play with the same people regularly. Please clarify.
2) Since you used the word "properly" you now need to define what the "proper" way of playing a game is. Is me joining a Team Deathmatch Hardcore game on CoD4 to rack up kills for my basic weapon attachments "proper?" Or, in your mind, is this "farming?"
I don't ever recall this conversation ever being about any one being "the best possible player." It's very odd that you equate "farming exp" with "the best possible player" though.
To answer your questions.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Make XP only available in MM. Problem solved. Besided who cares what rank someone is? IM an un-prestiged lvl 55 and I've beaten rooms of gold crosses before. Xp farming means what, they can have the mp44 a couple weeks earlier than everyone else? And if I recall, we did that exact 'I kill you, you kill me' thing on 360 for getting headshots. We'd go into cage match and ask the other guy "want to get headshots?" Usually he'd say yes, if no we'd back out and find a new cage match. They never got rid of cage match either. Matchmaking still doesnt adress the problem of playing less-popular gamtypes with others, as you must only invite friends or recent players, Me and my 2 buddies love free for all, but cant play together in MM because it doesn't allow parties. See my above uber-post on the limitations MM forces on you with NO way around. Whatever reason you give that's pro-MM, its not a good enough argument to take away dedi-servs.
Oh no. Not YET another idiot who STILL thinks the PSN is better. I'm not having this argument. Just no.
Oh, and the fact is that PC gamers are elitist.
Of course we are. We have a better, more flexible system and the freedom to play as we want. We are not dependent on some shitty system like XBL or PSN to play our games online. We can extend the life of a lot of games by custom maps, mods and other fun shit. Of course we are elitist. And what is wrong by wanting the best?
The obvious reason(s) mentioned earlier ^ (Now hopefully even more obvious... because they are stated, right in front of you... again) Brilliant comrade!
Yea, I figured it needed a bit of repetition. :D Am I really the only one that thinks being elitist is a good thing? (Be it in gaming or otherwise.) Is elitism really a bad thing?
Elitism is more like looking down at someone. Wanting the best is perfectly fine. As a console player I can understand why some PC gamers hate console players, so many of them are ignorant. What bothers me is how some look down on console players.
Look at the average console players post in this thread. They are full of ignorance and elitism. That is why we look sometimes down on them.
We don't want to give up the great things, we don't want to accept the developers destroying something that is perfect. Because of that, console players look down on us. The ignorant bastards just wants us to do like them and bend over, wait for some developer cock and accept them destroying the 2 greatest things gaming ever experienced: A server list and mods.
WHY shouldn't we act like we do in these cases? It's obvious why we are furious but they just can't see it or they can't comprehend it.
You shouldn't act that way because not all people who primarily play on consoles are incapable of understanding what the problem is after it has been explained. It doesn't help anything to look down your nose at console players in general because of a few ignorant individuals. All of that said I so feel your rage.
teh_gunslinger: If anything more shooters on PS3 should be doing what UT3 does. It gives you all of the important choices that make PC gaming fun. I can't understand why that is not happening, it boggles my mind. UT3 is a perfect archetype for how console gaming could and should be... 90% of the benefits of PC gaming (Mods and dedicated servers (Including private ones.) and less hassle. Epic has given us the answer already damn it!
You have earned my respect mate. However if you were in my shoes and you read a lot of those ignorant comments, so many that it seems like they ARE the majority of the console players, wouldn't you generalize like that? The rage doesn't make it easier not to I tell you.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Now, the community I'm part of has a couple of servers with 24/7 Badwater in TF2. It's a hugely popular map and there is always a great game going. So if I feel like a bit of Badwater I jump on that server. We also have one with assorted PL maps so if I feel like that I jump on there. I believe we have a 24/7 Hoodoo server as well if that tickles my fancy. If I feel like sniping we have sniper maps as well. We have a server with retro maps. And finally we have a server with rotation of most of the TF2 maps, including KOTH and Arena. And if I feel like playing anything else I find a server that fits that need. Currently we are in the midst of arranging training nights so we can teach each other how to play different classes. Awesome, I think. I rarely play outside my regular community as it has an awesome mix of regular players I enjoy playing with and a steady influx of new and random players. What more could I want? When I join a server I know I'll get a grief free, curse free, biggotry free and moron free game. I regularly get laughs from reading pleas from those who got banned for cussing. Break the rules and you're out. Permanently. Why in all the seven hells would I be satisfied by a MM system that throws me together with all random people and has no moderation? In fact, why are you?!
It may be good enough for consoles but I will have none of it. It's a sub par solution.
makes me laugh seeing all the console fanboy's saying "im glad this is happening to pc, why should you get a better mp experience then us" pc dedi servers have been around a lot longer then the crappy console peer to peer connection.. so its not OUR fault consoles dont use the same system. Personally i am not supprised by the news at all, IW make more money from the console market.. its a shame really, i was lookin forward to the mp experience on pc to tide me over till bfbc2 comes out on pc. oh well back to nazi zombies for me =/
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
For retards that think matchmaking is great? Very very hard.
Considering you're obviously a generalising git, you can't call anyone a "retard". I personally like matchmaking, while I'm not saying that server browsers are bad (I play TF2 and Halo1, among others, so fuck off before you say I have no experience with them) I prefer MM because it's a more fun random experience.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Now, the community I'm part of has a couple of servers with 24/7 Badwater in TF2. It's a hugely popular map and there is always a great game going. So if I feel like a bit of Badwater I jump on that server. We also have one with assorted PL maps so if I feel like that I jump on there. I believe we have a 24/7 Hoodoo server as well if that tickles my fancy. If I feel like sniping we have sniper maps as well. We have a server with retro maps. And finally we have a server with rotation of most of the TF2 maps, including KOTH and Arena. And if I feel like playing anything else I find a server that fits that need. Currently we are in the midst of arranging training nights so we can teach each other how to play different classes. Awesome, I think. I rarely play outside my regular community as it has an awesome mix of regular players I enjoy playing with and a steady influx of new and random players. What more could I want? When I join a server I know I'll get a grief free, curse free, biggotry free and moron free game. I regularly get laughs from reading pleas from those who got banned for cussing. Break the rules and you're out. Permanently. Why in all the seven hells would I be satisfied by a MM system that throws me together with all random people and has no moderation? In fact, why are you?!
It may be good enough for consoles but I will have none of it. It's a sub par solution.
Sounds like quite a fun community you got there. TF2 is a fun game, but no matter what game I play, I never have and never will be part of a "clan" or "community". I think the idea of being in one is stupid, and I switch servers after every game anyway so that I'm not stuck with the same boring people all the time.
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
For retards that think matchmaking is great? Very very hard.
Considering you're obviously a generalising git, you can't call anyone a "retard". I personally like matchmaking, while I'm not saying that server browsers are bad (I play TF2 and Halo1, among others, so fuck off before you say I have no experience with them) I prefer MM because it's a more fun random experience.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Now, the community I'm part of has a couple of servers with 24/7 Badwater in TF2. It's a hugely popular map and there is always a great game going. So if I feel like a bit of Badwater I jump on that server. We also have one with assorted PL maps so if I feel like that I jump on there. I believe we have a 24/7 Hoodoo server as well if that tickles my fancy. If I feel like sniping we have sniper maps as well. We have a server with retro maps. And finally we have a server with rotation of most of the TF2 maps, including KOTH and Arena. And if I feel like playing anything else I find a server that fits that need. Currently we are in the midst of arranging training nights so we can teach each other how to play different classes. Awesome, I think. I rarely play outside my regular community as it has an awesome mix of regular players I enjoy playing with and a steady influx of new and random players. What more could I want? When I join a server I know I'll get a grief free, curse free, biggotry free and moron free game. I regularly get laughs from reading pleas from those who got banned for cussing. Break the rules and you're out. Permanently. Why in all the seven hells would I be satisfied by a MM system that throws me together with all random people and has no moderation? In fact, why are you?!
It may be good enough for consoles but I will have none of it. It's a sub par solution.
Sounds like quite a fun community you got there. TF2 is a fun game, but no matter what game I play, I never have and never will be part of a "clan" or "community". I think the idea of being in one is stupid, and I switch servers after every game anyway so that I'm not stuck with the same boring people all the time.
And that's perfectly fine. The beauty of dedicated servers is that it allows both of us to enjoy the same game as we want. MM only allows you to enjoy it. So I think it's a hoorible solution. That's actually the crux of the argument. The refusal to cater to a certain group of players (in this case, pc gamers). Believe me I would stick up for console players if some dev pulled a fast one on them. I just don't see the same solidarity from the other side. It's all 'Hahahah! Fuck you for having better multi player.'.
You have to be kidding me. You must seriously think that we are ignorant people and believe what we read without question or any doubts. PC games for the Longest time had the option to Quick Connect to a server (For people who didnt know how to find there server.. or were too lazy) Or the option to Search for there own dedicated server.. (for top connection benefits, to meet up with there player community/Friends, and for player difficulty or game setting purposes). What activision simply did was remove the second option (To search for your own dedicated server). Activision did not create any special and advanced or futeristic feature for connecting to servers.. they simply removed an advanced and what PC gamers consider a manditory Feature. And also they removed or are "dissallowing" mods which for the longest time free of charge gaming communitys and players created for extra content towards the game which consisted of; New maps, New weapon/class customizations, and in general new content that at "GAME RELEASE" the game didnt offer. Which also prolonged the game since content was constantly added (New things to offer for an old game). Which I just got word that its because they plan on making more money off of DLC. Which to my conclusion meens that this is mostly inspite of dedicated server providers and for Greed(Them having the USE of DLC so players pay for new Content). I hope the petition sighners boycott the game.. I was a huge fan of COD4 this news is dissapointing. And I know alot of people who are pissed off and already cancelled there pre orders. Not that this is going to change anything anyway :( But hopefully send a messege out to other game developers as said many times before.
I found this article to be almost offensive. So what if it takes 20 minutes how to teach someone to use a server browser? They're all pretty much the same, consider it a life skill. Are people honestly so fucking lazy and impatient they can't be bothered to learn something as simple as a list you can sort by values? By this reasoning no one should bother learning how to play any new game since you have to take time to learn it.
And forced matchmaking is AWFUL. DoW2 has some pretty bad matchmaking and so much of it would have been solved by a lobby and a server list. We aren't complaining cause IW changed the connection method, we're complaining because they changed it to one that's FAR worse in terms of choice, ease and otherwise.
Also, forced matchmaking does nothing for the sense of community. Just playing with some random people means nothing, they're faceless. But if you can go on to the same server every day and play with the same people you can actually make friends.
The console owners have been getting the shaft since Day 1. Not only is multiplayer far too simplified, on the 360 you even have to pay MS the sanctified fucking HONOUR to use their mediocre system, which basically acts as a hub to connect you to a game someone else (not even microsoft) is hosting.
Lastly, this is simply the last nail in the coffin for fears of PC gamers. Games are too easy and too simplified now a days, and things just keep getting more and more accessible. We like complicated because it's generally far more rewarding customizable. Options are GOOD not bad. If you want a "DUURRRR PLAY GAME NOW" button I honestly weep.
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
For retards that think matchmaking is great? Very very hard.
Considering you're obviously a generalising git, you can't call anyone a "retard". I personally like matchmaking, while I'm not saying that server browsers are bad (I play TF2 and Halo1, among others, so fuck off before you say I have no experience with them) I prefer MM because it's a more fun random experience.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Now, the community I'm part of has a couple of servers with 24/7 Badwater in TF2. It's a hugely popular map and there is always a great game going. So if I feel like a bit of Badwater I jump on that server. We also have one with assorted PL maps so if I feel like that I jump on there. I believe we have a 24/7 Hoodoo server as well if that tickles my fancy. If I feel like sniping we have sniper maps as well. We have a server with retro maps. And finally we have a server with rotation of most of the TF2 maps, including KOTH and Arena. And if I feel like playing anything else I find a server that fits that need. Currently we are in the midst of arranging training nights so we can teach each other how to play different classes. Awesome, I think. I rarely play outside my regular community as it has an awesome mix of regular players I enjoy playing with and a steady influx of new and random players. What more could I want? When I join a server I know I'll get a grief free, curse free, biggotry free and moron free game. I regularly get laughs from reading pleas from those who got banned for cussing. Break the rules and you're out. Permanently. Why in all the seven hells would I be satisfied by a MM system that throws me together with all random people and has no moderation? In fact, why are you?!
It may be good enough for consoles but I will have none of it. It's a sub par solution.
Sounds like quite a fun community you got there. TF2 is a fun game, but no matter what game I play, I never have and never will be part of a "clan" or "community". I think the idea of being in one is stupid, and I switch servers after every game anyway so that I'm not stuck with the same boring people all the time.
And that's perfectly fine. The beauty of dedicated servers is that it allows both of us to enjoy the same game as we want. MM only allows you to enjoy it. So I think it's a hoorible solution. That's actually the crux of the argument. The refusal to cater to a certain group of players (in this case, pc gamers). Believe me I would stick up for console players if some dev pulled a fast one on them. I just don't see the same solidarity from the other side. It's all 'Hahahah! Fuck you for having better multi player.'.
Actually guy, Ive played in MM as well, so im not generalizing, it is an inferior option because it is laggy as hell, in servers the connection is stable, depending on the server, and since I wasnt planning on saying that you have no experience, nor do I care, youre the one that can go fuck off, I don't suffer e-thugs gladly child. You can't intimidate people over the net, and you're a sad individual for trying.
Also the whole Idea was to make the Gaming consoles more like the PC.. not to make the PC more like the Gaming Consoles... I meen thats taking a step backwards in no way taking a step forwards. And if you have a complaint about how PC Games function... then come on... I was 7 years old and easily figured out how to work a computer and runnimg my games.. I dont know anyone who doesnt accept for people who just straight up dont use computers or play games. So what are you telling me its better to limit us with options? Its better to make the community need to know far less then what they easily are capable of knowing? Are you telling me that we are all ignorant and should stay that way? Look to the future and aim to be smarter and more understanding of technology. Not more ignorant to it!
Booze Zombie: I never found finding a server clunky.
You just click the filters for locked games, full games and high-ping games and press search, how hard is it to do that?
For retards that think matchmaking is great? Very very hard.
Considering you're obviously a generalising git, you can't call anyone a "retard". I personally like matchmaking, while I'm not saying that server browsers are bad (I play TF2 and Halo1, among others, so fuck off before you say I have no experience with them) I prefer MM because it's a more fun random experience.
1) I meant that they go onto a server and play the same people on the same map over and over and over and over and over (this could go on for a long time if I keep it up, so I'll just let your imagination run free with that one) again until they get pro at it. Matchmaking lets you play with different people each time as much as you want. I play with 1 or maybe 2 friends fairly regularly, but we never sit in the same game, even if we do best. I'll generally quit after 1, or sometimes 2 rounds.
2) It stops people going into a server with a friend with the whole "I kill you, you kill me" idea. Farming.
As for the "best possible player" thing, that wasn't being equated with "farming exp". That was an entirely different point. I was moving on from the whole "exp farming" thing and was referring to someone's point about how it stops "competative play". I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
Now, the community I'm part of has a couple of servers with 24/7 Badwater in TF2. It's a hugely popular map and there is always a great game going. So if I feel like a bit of Badwater I jump on that server. We also have one with assorted PL maps so if I feel like that I jump on there. I believe we have a 24/7 Hoodoo server as well if that tickles my fancy. If I feel like sniping we have sniper maps as well. We have a server with retro maps. And finally we have a server with rotation of most of the TF2 maps, including KOTH and Arena. And if I feel like playing anything else I find a server that fits that need. Currently we are in the midst of arranging training nights so we can teach each other how to play different classes. Awesome, I think. I rarely play outside my regular community as it has an awesome mix of regular players I enjoy playing with and a steady influx of new and random players. What more could I want? When I join a server I know I'll get a grief free, curse free, biggotry free and moron free game. I regularly get laughs from reading pleas from those who got banned for cussing. Break the rules and you're out. Permanently. Why in all the seven hells would I be satisfied by a MM system that throws me together with all random people and has no moderation? In fact, why are you?!
It may be good enough for consoles but I will have none of it. It's a sub par solution.
Sounds like quite a fun community you got there. TF2 is a fun game, but no matter what game I play, I never have and never will be part of a "clan" or "community". I think the idea of being in one is stupid, and I switch servers after every game anyway so that I'm not stuck with the same boring people all the time.
And that's perfectly fine. The beauty of dedicated servers is that it allows both of us to enjoy the same game as we want. MM only allows you to enjoy it. So I think it's a hoorible solution. That's actually the crux of the argument. The refusal to cater to a certain group of players (in this case, pc gamers). Believe me I would stick up for console players if some dev pulled a fast one on them. I just don't see the same solidarity from the other side. It's all 'Hahahah! Fuck you for having better multi player.'.
Actually guy, I've played in MM as well, so I'm not generalizing, it is an inferior option because it is laggy as hell, in servers the connection is stable, depending on the server, and since I wasn't planning on saying that you have no experience, nor do I care, you're the one that can go fuck off, I don't suffer e-thugs gladly child. You can't intimidate people over the net, and you're a sad individual for trying.
Emphasis mine.
Mmmyess. Are you referring to me? If so, what on earth are you talking about? If you actually read my posts you would see that I frequently state that MM is an inferior option to dedicated servers. I also don't think I was telling anyone to 'fuck off' nor was I trying to intimidate anyone. That would be pretty futile. My last post was actually meant as a summary of my opinion. By removing dedicated servers IW are refusing to cater to a user base. I would prefer to have both options, that is, both dedi servers and MM. That would allow me to enjoy my dedicated servers as well as the guy I was talking to enjoy random matches. Then I lamented the attitude of many console players (or at least a vocal subset) that seem to think that we (pc gamers) had it coming and that it serves us right. Hence: "I just don't see the same solidarity from the other side. It's all 'Hahahah! Fuck you for having better multi player.'" I honestly don't think that I was in any way trying to intimidate anyone in my posts (have you even read them?). If anyone is acting intimidating I would say it's you.
(Fixed a bit of punctuation there for you)
Shows how important it is to quote the right guy. I'm sure No_remainders would have been less confused if he had been quoted instead of me.
sean.2k9: So on PC gaming you can actually choose what map to play and just play with your friends on ranked matches? That would make it so easy to level up wank quick.
Not only that, but you can customize gametype, map, respawn time, mods, players, whatever else.
There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the matchmaking part. The other factor is that removing dedicated servers removes the possibility of mods.
I'm concerned about this because when I was into COD4 I played almost exclusively the 'Search and Destroy' game mode on Hardcore. That's the mode like Counter-strike where there are rounds with no respawning. This mode was broken in the orginal because of people being able to grenade and Grenade launch into the spawn early in the game on some maps.
Mods were created to kick players who Naded/Tubed early and I played exclusively on those servers.
I want to play this game but now I probably won't purchase at launch for full price because of this announcement.
IW just made it clear they don't understand their PC audience and they're catering to a group that doesn't exist hoping to boost sales.
Time will tell but I don't think it'll work.
Edit: Not to mention mods that kicks for Martyrdom. -_-
Well, I WAS going to buy this game. Without dedicated servers, there's no point in FPS games for me.
Let me tell you why.
I play FPS games for the community and for competition. Random opponents are no competition for me, I want my opposition to be organized and deadly. Putting a couple dozen random people on a team and having them improvise tactics while half of them are deaf mutes (they don't talk or acknowledge anyone talking to them) does not result in advanced teamwork.
I am part of a clan called Hell's Elite Legion, or [HEL]. In "Battlefield 2142" we were #1 on both TWL and TGL ladders. We like to compete. Without private servers, we cannot arrange our own tournaments, and we cannot run our own server, that we paid for ourselves. Having our own servers was a huge deal for us. We had one for general play, and we had one for tournament practice. We would all get together on our practice server a couple days a week and work on general tactics, team cohesion, the best ways to run whatever map we were scheduled on next, and strategies to beat whatever team we were playing next.
But the real fun was on our general server. We had no rules other than "no aim-bots or wall hacks." We would split the clan in half and have at it for many hours on end. It was a public server, so we had plenty of cannon fodder on both teams as well. But after we got bored destroying each other, we would find and raid other clan servers. Now this was fun. We'd jump on their server and start up a clan war. The opposing clan usually fought valiantly, but we never lost a clan war even once. The honorable clans loved the competition, and it was very common for them to attempt a raid on our server in the future.
Times were good.
In rare cases, the opposing team's server admins would become butthurt from being knifed too much and having transport helicopters do touch-and-go's off their heads, and they would perma-ban our clan. We never cheated, and we always followed current server rules, so a ban to us was the other team's way of saying "we're afraid of you." And so we started keeping track of how many servers we were banned from as a badge of honor.
This, my friends, is what FPS games are all about to me. Playing with and against the best players in the world, either destroying all who oppose us, or losing and coming back for more.
Without this, CoD:MW2 is not worth my money, and isn't even worth my time if I somehow got a free copy.
I would be outraged, but I don't really like CoD... On the other hand, what is this general shift towards consoles? Us PC gamers have rights, too! Rights to LAN, rights to dedicated servers, and by gum we'd better get our PC exclusives!!!
This has to rank as one of the most idiotic arguments ever.
Of course I don't HAVE to buy it, but that's not the point! As an IW and CoD fan I feel that it is necessary for me to tell them that I think this game is not worth my money. Whether they care or not is up to them, but I am entitled to expressing my opinion of their product. It is called consumer feedback; I tell IW/Activision what they need to include in their product in order for me to buy it, and they get the chance to make the changes that they feel is necessary. As a consumer I think it's courteous to let the companies know what they need to do to make money off me, instead of just having them stumbling in the dark.