As much as I hat eto say this all of the arguments and igorance happen to be a mute point. IW has pretty much made their decision. Everything can be summed up rather easily...

Console gamers:

Most of you will never truely understand PC gaming; be it due to the money you need to invest in a PC to really enjoy the genre, or the the fact that jumping from the "its done for me" Console level to the "I might have to learn something" PC level. Either way its simply put that if your defending the MM system then you truely dont understand what a dedicated server is or its benifits. Trying to argue that is akin to saying your skate board is faster then my motorcycle becuase it has 4 wheels. Your missing the point and and only showing your inexperiance by trying to tell us otherwise. The 'ease' and simplicity of a MM system was designed for the fact that "most" console gamers are young. So its design is relevent to the market. Almost ALL gamers started off on a console. So when a PC gamers says "I don't want Matchmaking" they are saying it because they have dealt with it before. Not becuase were arrogant, ignorant or "elitist". Experiance comes from doing; not pretending. And in the long run you should be defending the PC gamers. You have just as much a voice as we do; use it. If you are jealous of what PC gamers get then you should be yelling at the Devs, not us. But most of you wouldnt understant that. So just go play last years madden with this years rostes that you paid 60 dollars for and pretend your getting your monies worth.

PC Gamers:

I hate to say this but its a lost cause. We only have One choice left to us. And thats to not by the game. Writing on forums, signing petitions and all of this rhetoric and complaining will achieve nothing if every one still goes out on 11-10 and buys the game. Money will speak louder then words, and even if IW can't hear over the "CHA-CHING" of the console gamers cashing in like the good little lemmings they are; it will send a dramatic message to every other game company that PC gamers won't stand for a company charging us more, for what in the end amounts to a watered down game and a giant step in the wrong direction.

If on the 11th of November, Activision wakes up and see's PC sales are non-existant...who knows, we might even see them break and give us what we want. But if they see the money rolling in: its tad amount to selling the heritage of PC gaming for some shiny beads and a few bits of string. We've already seen Matchmaking rearing its ugly head on the PC platform. If it becomes Finacially viable; it will become the standerd, and then everything we should get for free: everything the Console are too stupid to realize THEY should get for free... we will have to pay for.

...And its not like EA is going to "keep it real" if they see a profit can be made.

Then the "pay to respawn" will appear...... god help us all.

teh_gunslinger:
I just don't see the same solidarity from the other side.

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

another good reason to buy it for the console

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

I wasn't even talking just about joining matches. I was more thinking that they actually think we care that they have slightly better graphics than us, the whole thing about controller VS keyboard/mouse, etc.

I'd actually like to make a point before any of you PC elitists decide to start quoting me on the whole controller v keyboard mouse thing. First of all, I hate the ones who say "It's a proven fact blah blah blah I may as well put on a dunce hat and sit in the corner now...", how can you prove that a controller isn't as good as a keyboard and mouse exactly? You can't prove it in any way.

If you say getting the best player with a keyboard and mouse and the best player with a controller and making them play together proves that whoever wins makes that the "better" gaming device, you really should be slapped several times across the back of the head, might knock some sense in to you.

The point is, something can only be proven if it happens 100% of the time. Example: gravity exists constantly on earth, therefore it is proven to exist (bad example, I know, but shut up).

The point being that there will always be people who will beat other people whether they're using a controller or a keyboard & mouse.

Oh, and before anyone is enough of a generalising idiot to say anything about auto-aim, on any FPS I turn it off because it's not useful. Some people like it, frankly, I think it's irritating because I like to be able to turn the entire way around without my crosshairs slowing on every enemy along the way.

No_Remainders:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

I wasn't even talking just about joining matches. I was more thinking that they actually think we care that they have slightly better graphics than us, the whole thing about controller VS keyboard/mouse, etc.

I'd actually like to make a point before any of you PC elitists decide to start quoting me on the whole controller v keyboard mouse thing. First of all, I hate the ones who say "It's a proven fact blah blah blah I may as well put on a dunce hat and sit in the corner now...", how can you prove that a controller isn't as good as a keyboard and mouse exactly? You can't prove it in any way.

If you say getting the best player with a keyboard and mouse and the best player with a controller and making them play together proves that whoever wins makes that the "better" gaming device, you really should be slapped several times across the back of the head, might knock some sense in to you.

The point is, something can only be proven if it happens 100% of the time. Example: gravity exists constantly on earth, therefore it is proven to exist (bad example, I know, but shut up).

The point being that there will always be people who will beat other people whether they're using a controller or a keyboard & mouse.

Oh, and before anyone is enough of a generalising idiot to say anything about auto-aim, on any FPS I turn it off because it's not useful. Some people like it, frankly, I think it's irritating because I like to be able to turn the entire way around without my crosshairs slowing on every enemy along the way.

close the IE window. take you mouse and put it at the start icon. Then quickly move it to the recycle bin. then open back up the IE window and then immediately minimize it. Now imagine doing it THAT fast with a control stick. If you make it too slow, you'll have control but it goes too slow. If you make it fast, you'll overshoot everything.

In trying to teach a (non-PC-gaming) friend how to play TF2, the first twenty or so minutes were just spent on how to sort through and select a server.

If it really took 20 minutes to teach "sort by ping/players, hide locked games," then there's a lot more wrong with your friend than lack of experience. Besides the point, if you have to teach functions that have existed on innumerable websites and other applications for years (how to sort a list) AT ALL, then you're dealing with somebody that hasn't even sat in front of a computer for any considerable amount of time and probably shouldn't be jumping straight into games.

CantFaketheFunk:

This is because you are a PC gamer, and you are accustomed to doing these things. You (and I) are hardwired to do these things, just as we are hardwired to moving with a mouse and keyboard as intuitively as, say, walking.

It's still a pretty massive obstacle when it comes to accessibility.

If you could do it, why can't everyone else? You weren't the hardcore PC gamer you are today, why do WE have to give up the freedom to choose our own server and the security of always having a place to play with familiar people and a set of rules that we like, so that the new guys don't have to spend the minute it would take to read the words right in front of them? We weren't born hardwired, we figured things out. Why are you trying to perpetuate the mental atrophy of our youth? Freedom > convenience, and if you REALLY have to have that matchmaking system, you can always do what Left 4 Dead did on PC and have BOTH.

slopeslider:
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I don't wanna get involved, but that's what you do with a computer. Not a game.

You try playing a game like Armored Core or Demon's Souls on a computer. Not everything can be hot keyed.

You have to have a firm grip on something. And pardon me, but I just can't see a keyboard replacing controllers.

If you think I'm wrong for liking a controller, that makes you an elitist. No arguments about it.

Also, I feel i have to say this:

If anyone buys Modern Warfare 2, you have no right to complain whatsoever. You're giving Activision your money despite them taking out a great feature. So it's your fault! You don't like hearing it? Too bad. It's the truth. You pay for this game, you automatically tell Activision you love having no dedicated servers.

If you wanna make a difference, you could boycott the game and play another FPS until they throw in free servers. Goodness knows there's about 3000 of them floating around the market. And there's no difference between them. Nothing but tiny little points that somehow people think makes the whole game.

And in my honest opinion, Modern Warfare 2 is not game of the year after all. I don't know why people want it so much.

The only reasons I see are:

"ooh, they give you night vision" or "zomg, the gloss on my machine gun is 10% more sparkly, best game of the year!1!1!!"

That's the mentality I see. And if you PC fans are really hyped up over that, you shouldn't be talking down to console owners. Pot and kettle.

In fact, (and I know I'm gonna be flamed to the fiery pits of hell and back for saying this), from a distance I see little difference between Modern Warfare and Halo.

Space Marines, US Marines. Flying machines. Realistic machines. Both vastly overrated and getting constant sequels. The fans constantly defending them both. Really, if you skinned those games down to their cores, they'd probably be the same bland FPS that's repainted and sold by hundreds of companies.

So going straight to the point, if you buy this game, you will never have dedicated servers again. So good day.

No_Remainders:
The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

First of all, elitist isn't an insult. You have to be elite to be elitist, and it's called having standards. If having standards were wrong, we would still be living in caves.

Secondly, you're basing your opinion on the people presenting the case, and not the case itself, which invalidates anything you have to say. I think the average console gamer is short-sighted, immature, unreasonable, overzealous, quick to judge on faulty pretenses, willfully ignorant, violently loyal without just cause, and cannot survive off the bandwagon. That doesn't mean any point a console user makes is invalid, just the fallacious ones. Just like some black sheep among PC users fallaciously defend their platform with reasoning like superior graphics or more expensive equals better.

Some console users actually have good reasons to have a console. I have a Wii, PS3, DS, and PSP myself, along with nearly every successful console all the way back to the Atari 2600, and they have their advantages, but I still think the PC is superior, partly because of that "elitist" mentality. PC gamers put quality before convenience. They don't take crap, and that includes crappy elements in their community. Of course PC elitists don't respect you, it's because this is how you react. Your reaction to being disrespected is why you continue to be disrespected. If you can't understand why that is, then we don't want you playing with us, and I for one am very happy that the servers I play on have the right to ban people we feel brings down our experience. Matchmaking doesn't allow that sort of selectiveness, so I don't see myself playing any game that uses it exclusively for any significant amount of time.

No_Remainders:
I'd actually like to make a point before any of you PC elitists decide to start quoting me on the whole controller v keyboard mouse thing. First of all, I hate the ones who say "It's a proven fact blah blah blah I may as well put on a dunce hat and sit in the corner now...", how can you prove that a controller isn't as good as a keyboard and mouse exactly? You can't prove it in any way.

Look at your analog sticks. Look below the joystick part, at the hole in the controller that it's sitting in. You see how it's surrounded by a circle of hard plastic? There's your proof.

Done.

Dreyfuss:

No_Remainders:
The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

First of all, elitist isn't an insult. You have to be elite to be elitist, and it's called having standards. If having standards were wrong, we would still be living in caves.

Secondly, you're basing your opinion on the people presenting the case, and not the case itself, which invalidates anything you have to say. I think the average console gamer is short-sighted, immature, unreasonable, overzealous, quick to judge on faulty pretenses, willfully ignorant, violently loyal without just cause, and cannot survive off the bandwagon. That doesn't mean any point a console user makes is invalid, just the fallacious ones. Just like some black sheep among PC users fallaciously defend their platform with reasoning like superior graphics or more expensive equals better. Some console users actually have good reasons to have a console. I have a Wii, PS3, DS, and PSP myself, along with nearly every successful console all the way back to the Atari 2600, and they have their advantages, but I still think the PC is superior, partly because of that "elitist" mentality. PC gamers put quality before convenience. They don't take crap, and that includes crappy elements in their community. Of course PC elitists don't respect you, it's because this is how you react. Your reaction to being disrespected is why you continue to be disrespected. If you can't understand why that is, then we don't want you playing with us, and I for one am very happy that the servers I play on have the right to ban people we feel brings down our experience. Matchmaking doesn't allow that sort of selectiveness, so I don't see myself playing any game that uses it exclusively for any significant amount of time.

That was beautiful.

slopeslider:

No_Remainders:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

I wasn't even talking just about joining matches. I was more thinking that they actually think we care that they have slightly better graphics than us, the whole thing about controller VS keyboard/mouse, etc.

I'd actually like to make a point before any of you PC elitists decide to start quoting me on the whole controller v keyboard mouse thing. First of all, I hate the ones who say "It's a proven fact blah blah blah I may as well put on a dunce hat and sit in the corner now...", how can you prove that a controller isn't as good as a keyboard and mouse exactly? You can't prove it in any way.

If you say getting the best player with a keyboard and mouse and the best player with a controller and making them play together proves that whoever wins makes that the "better" gaming device, you really should be slapped several times across the back of the head, might knock some sense in to you.

The point is, something can only be proven if it happens 100% of the time. Example: gravity exists constantly on earth, therefore it is proven to exist (bad example, I know, but shut up).

The point being that there will always be people who will beat other people whether they're using a controller or a keyboard & mouse.

Oh, and before anyone is enough of a generalising idiot to say anything about auto-aim, on any FPS I turn it off because it's not useful. Some people like it, frankly, I think it's irritating because I like to be able to turn the entire way around without my crosshairs slowing on every enemy along the way.

close the IE window. take you mouse and put it at the start icon. Then quickly move it to the recycle bin. then open back up the IE window and then immediately minimize it. Now imagine doing it THAT fast with a control stick. If you make it too slow, you'll have control but it goes too slow. If you make it fast, you'll overshoot everything.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you just decided to be a complete retard. I don't think I ever said that controllers are good for operating systems... No, actually, I definitely didn't.

C- for attempt.

EDIT: Oh, and anyone who uses IE deserves to be slapped

1(FN)Vendetta:
"CHA-CHING" of the console gamers cashing in like the good little lemmings they are

The exact reason it's IMPOSSIBLE to sympathise with all of you.

See, you went on about how we should be siding with you, and you're not all elitist and ignorant etc. If you're gonna turn around and say that like the elitist jackass you are, you can't possibly expect us to side with you in any way.

I just read through 11 pages of the most disgusting flaming (and poorest debate strategies) I've ever seen.

Let's recap shall we?

PC Gamers - You want a specific technology in your version of the game. IW decided not to do it. Infinity Ward, some of the most successful game developers ever and people whose only job is to create the best possible game for all of us. Oh, but they didn't listen to YOU. Right. I'm sure that was a mistake.

Console Gamers - Why are you here? Your game was always going to use matchmaking and you're completely unaffected by this. Eyes front, stop rubber necking at the train wreck that is the PC Gamer's impotent rage. You're making console gamers look like smug pricks.

Not that anyone is going to read this far without getting fed up with all of you. But I did, so I felt compelled to write something angry and unhelpful.

No_Remainders:

slopeslider:

No_Remainders:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

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Someone is butthurt.

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I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you just decided to be a complete retard. I don't think I ever said that controllers are good for operating systems... No, actually, I definitely didn't.

C- for attempt.

'Scuse me but I have this awkward feeling he was implying the idea of aim rather than, well handling an OS. He's right in that point as well, mice are really better for aiming, (having played COD extensively on PC and 360) more precision, more movements are possible.

Pendragon9:

slopeslider:
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You try playing a game like Armored Core or Demon's Souls on a computer. Not everything can be hot keyed.

You have to have a firm grip on something. And pardon me, but I just can't see a keyboard replacing controllers.

If you think I'm wrong for liking a controller, that makes you an elitist. No arguments about it.

Uh, hate to break it to you but we're discussing a first person shooter, not sure if you've picked that up looking at your comment. We're not suggesting they replace controllers either, we simply suggest they're better for FPSs, RTSs and things requiring (a lot of) precision.

Oh and how the hell does thinking you're wrong for liking a controller (which I don't tbh I just think you're wrong because of your ridiculous reasoning) make anyone an elitist? I really would like to hear your argument on that.

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

And 100% less fun.

No_Remainders:

slopeslider:

No_Remainders:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

I wasn't even talking just about joining matches. I was more thinking that they actually think we care that they have slightly better graphics than us, the whole thing about controller VS keyboard/mouse, etc.

I'd actually like to make a point before any of you PC elitists decide to start quoting me on the whole controller v keyboard mouse thing. First of all, I hate the ones who say "It's a proven fact blah blah blah I may as well put on a dunce hat and sit in the corner now...", how can you prove that a controller isn't as good as a keyboard and mouse exactly? You can't prove it in any way.

If you say getting the best player with a keyboard and mouse and the best player with a controller and making them play together proves that whoever wins makes that the "better" gaming device, you really should be slapped several times across the back of the head, might knock some sense in to you.

The point is, something can only be proven if it happens 100% of the time. Example: gravity exists constantly on earth, therefore it is proven to exist (bad example, I know, but shut up).

The point being that there will always be people who will beat other people whether they're using a controller or a keyboard & mouse.

Oh, and before anyone is enough of a generalising idiot to say anything about auto-aim, on any FPS I turn it off because it's not useful. Some people like it, frankly, I think it's irritating because I like to be able to turn the entire way around without my crosshairs slowing on every enemy along the way.

close the IE window. take you mouse and put it at the start icon. Then quickly move it to the recycle bin. then open back up the IE window and then immediately minimize it. Now imagine doing it THAT fast with a control stick. If you make it too slow, you'll have control but it goes too slow. If you make it fast, you'll overshoot everything.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you just decided to be a complete retard. I don't think I ever said that controllers are good for operating systems... No, actually, I definitely didn't.

C- for attempt.

EDIT: Oh, and anyone who uses IE deserves to be slapped

We're talking about FPS's here. are you saying Pure FPS's control best with controllers? They were developed on computers. And I play xbox 360, ps2, wii, ds but not PC, so no I'm not elitist and I dont think mouse+keyboard trumps all but for fps mouse is king. You guys sure get mad pretty easily.

The writer has obviously never played a game enough to be part of a community. Removing dedicated servers will severely hurt clan experience. I buy the game for the game and stay for the people.

Crunchy English:
PC Gamers - You want a specific technology in your version of the game. IW decided not to do it. Infinity Ward, some of the most successful game developers ever and people whose only job is to create the best possible game for all of us. Oh, but they didn't listen to YOU. Right. I'm sure that was a mistake.

Not quite. IW is removing a tried and true technology that works and has been the staple of online gaming for the PC for many years that gives PC gamers the freedom set up a server and play the game in a manner they find most enjoyable, and replacing it with a closed propriety system that past experience with similar such systems has shown to not work very well. What's particularly galling is that they could have implemented a matchmaking system without having to get rid of dedicated servers. I think it's perfectly understandable why the PC crowd is upset.

To the PC user, this does not look like streamlining or simplifying the system. This is a play for control, full stop. Removing dedicated servers and mod support removes the freedoms that PC gamers have traditionally enjoyed for many years: Playing the game as one find most fun, whether it be a limited map rotation, a 24/7 map, no perks, no helis, full rotation but TDM only, custom maps etc. Not to mention that good player created content can extend the life of a game, and can even be bought and become features in the next release.

Joeshie:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

And 100% less fun.

so the online for consoles is 100% less fun? care to explain? or are you still too busy trying to join a PC match with your friend?

Rutawitz:

Joeshie:

Rutawitz:

Sib:

No_Remainders:

The only reason being that no matter what anyone says, the hardcore PC gamers are all elitist cunts who think console players are below them, so you can't really blame console players for not feeling sympathetic towards you not having dedis.

Someone is butthurt.

i agree with no remainders. pc gamers are full of themselves even tho joining an online match on consoles is about 99% easier and about 95% effective

And 100% less fun.

so the online for consoles is 100% less fun? care to explain? or are you still too busy trying to join a PC match with your friend?

He's right, have never had nearly as much fun in console MP as playtesting Barbarosa for Call of Duty: United Offensive witth the Afterhourz community.

They only real thing i have to comment on is the battlefield motherfucker on twitter, not because he said anything bad, but he said something on twitter.

Lowbreed:

'Scuse me but I have this awkward feeling he was implying the idea of aim rather than, well handling an OS. He's right in that point as well, mice are really better for aiming, (having played COD extensively on PC and 360) more precision, more movements are possible.

slopeslider:

We're talking about FPS's here. are you saying Pure FPS's control best with controllers? They were developed on computers. And I play xbox 360, ps2, wii, ds but not PC, so no I'm not elitist and I dont think mouse+keyboard trumps all but for fps mouse is king. You guys sure get mad pretty easily.

Having played CoD since the original, and having always been a fan of the series, I play much better with a controller. You can't say mouse is king for FPS, considering that which one someone plays with is dependant on that person.

The keyboard+mouse/controller argument will always go on no matter what happens. I think mouse is fine, but I find controllers more fluid, and in the majority of cases, much more immersive.

Considering I can beat most of my friends who aren't actually bad at call of duty when I'm using a controller and they're using a keyboard&mouse, I have to say that my aim is pretty good with it.

With so many pages this will be lost but these words caught my eye:

What happens when genuinely better tech comes along?

Simply put: Raise your hand if you think a automatic joining system you have no control over is better then a system which you can select your own servers?

I've ranted on the technological limitations of the system begin pushed elsewhere so I won't again. I will just say, from experience: The system being pushed here is NOT better then the old system.

Should we get rid of a system that is better then the one we are replacing it with, simply because the new system is... well new?

PS: If this means I can not enjoy a multilayer experience then I will not purchase the game. Single player modes are NOT good enough any more. Maybe cause all that graphical and physical coding consumes the projects time to the point game length, and in times playability, now comes secondary but the effect is the same. Single player alone, for a FPS, is not enough to get me to purchase a game.

No_Remainders:

1(FN)Vendetta:
"CHA-CHING" of the console gamers cashing in like the good little lemmings they are

The exact reason it's IMPOSSIBLE to sympathise with all of you.

See, you went on about how we should be siding with you, and you're not all elitist and ignorant etc. If you're gonna turn around and say that like the elitist jackass you are, you can't possibly expect us to side with you in any way.

I think I can pretty much say with little doubt that most PC gamers could care less if you sympathise with us or not. Your sympathy is not going to give us back or Dedicated servers or going to change IW's mind.

The majority of console gamers have no clue or experince with PC gaming and they have never taken the time to learn. How ever in contrast, most PC gamers got started on consoles before "upgrading" (a statment which im sure you will take offense to).

So when a console gamer jumps on a PC thread about PC issues, its not that we "view" our selves as "elitist cunts" or any other thing. Its about a person with no practical experiance telling us "there way is better" with out ever really seeing the other side of the bridge.

That, in its most basic form, happens to be more elitist then anything a PC gamers has said in defense of our 'ideals'.

If you dont agree with what PC gamers think. Theres no reason to get involved unless your under the opinion that your "better" then us. Or that your such a IW fan boy that feel the need to defend there decision even if it has no effect on your 'console' world.

Either way, your either the very thing you seem to call out in us (elitist), Or you just a really sad individual.

Back to the point though... Seems PC gamers are just as much of a consumer whore as "most" (notice i used quotes... you can't denie the madden syndrome) Console gamers. I have been watching MW2 slowy move up the Steam top sellers page (3rd only behind L4d2 and borderlands at the time of this post). Granted its not Number one like it would have been if this whole mess never happened. But it still means people are buying the damn gamn. Activision will learn nothing if PC sales turn a profit.

Don't sell out.

Why can't we have both DS and P2P-play?

Frankly this sux, and yes I signed the petition.

a.) I had an Xbox360 awhile ago and ended up selling it because any game I wanted I could get for my PC and use an Xbox360 controller w/PC, and generally I personally would prefer to play FPS's with a keyboard and mouse.

b.) What is so confusing about dedicated servers? I can't remember when I started using them, but I also don't remember crying in a cold shower because it was too much to handle. I'm not some elitist, but if you don't know what something is there is this modern tool named Google. It makes learning anything very very easy all you have to do is punch in your question, and it gives you tons of answers. The only thing I would imagine somebody wouldn't know is ping - not a hard concept, it's basically a measure of your connection to the server, lower ping = less lag. What else is complicated? 20 minutes is way too long to teach somebody how to use a server list, 5 max.

c.) The only deciding factor for me when purchasing a game is "can I play it online?" And while I can play this online it greatly deteriorates the experience. The console players are calling the PC gamers babies because they never had the choice or convenience in the first place.

Why are console gamers even chiming in on this one it doesn't affect them what so ever. Why would you even care if "PC Gamers" cry about this until they are blue in the face? Even if Infinity Ward says yeah we were wrong, and they give the PC version dedicated servers nothing has changed for the console players. So why all the animosity? If you decide there is something that you want why don't form a campaign to get it instead of calling me a jerk or elitist for wanting something. I don't care if you want to play on a console w/a controller it doesn't affect my gaming experience one bit, what does affect me is developer decisions.

Lowbreed:

Oh and how the hell does thinking you're wrong for liking a controller (which I don't tbh I just think you're wrong because of your ridiculous reasoning) make anyone an elitist? I really would like to hear your argument on that.

It's quite simple actually. I like a controller with some of my games. You can disagree of course and say you like keyboards as your primary gaming input. That's fine.

The problem is when you see controllers as a plague upon gaming and mark me as a half witted console retard because I like them. THAT makes you an elitist. Or, since that word is getting old, a jerk. It's wrong for you to tell me I'm wrong for my choice of controllers. Because you can't tell me one is better than the other. All the statistics or polls in the world can't make one better than the other. But by saying I'm wrong for liking it, you somehow assume your opinion should be regarded higher than mine and that I shouldn't be given an opinion period. (note that I know you didn't say this directly. I'm only using an example)

And yes, I know. Not all PC gamers act this way. It's just some of you. But the problem isn't nonexistant.

Do you get where I'm coming from?

And before any of you say anything, I do play on the PC (Starcraft, to be exact), and I happen to know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to dedicated servers. It really does help out when it comes to making matches. So don't spit upon me like you do upon most console players.

Herp derp PC gamers are elitists? Not like the ALL the games on a console were made there...
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Either way, I'm not buying it... I used to have a server box on my 2MBp/s connection for halo 1, 2MB was Big at the time; It's 20MB now!

If you can't have dedi servers it's mo mmoooo moomo mo m most li i i i ik ke eke kely yo oou'l en en en end up up u u up on o on a a a laggy co nn ecece cecction a aa a aaaanyww aw waway.

Some author seems not to get the point here. we are not against new stuff, we are against stuff that sucks. If you have p2p matchmaking with no custom rules on the server, than that sucks. But if someone invented something new and interesting, instead of trying to make us PC-gamers equal to console tards, that's too much.

Rutawitz:
so the online for consoles is 100% less fun? care to explain? or are you still too busy trying to join a PC match with your friend?

I'm glad you asked.

* Community built custom maps

* Community built custom gametypes (surf maps anyone?)

* Making sure that when you join a server you get a good ping

* Being able to ban out 13 year old racist bastard children from your server

* Being able for the players to change the map with a simple vote whenever they want

* Being able to find and join a community of really fun people on a specific server (this one is very important, it's basically the reason I've kept coming back to TF2 for the past two years)

* Being able to easily join that aforementioned community with two clicks of your mouse

* Being able to communicate with something other than headset

* Ability to choose which control method you want: you can use keyboard/mouse or a controller

* Generally a much more mature community than the consoles

* Ability to choose how many players you want in a server

* Ability to choose what kinds of maps you play in a server

I'm sure there are a few that I've missed, but I think that would be sufficient to prove my point.

Before i say anything lemme just state I play games mostly on a PC, but i believe consoles and Pc's are not equal,the say way apples and oranges are not equal,some people just like oranges better then apples.You can't say which is better because it's too subjective.However what you can argue about is certain aspects of apples and oranges,like its a proven fact oranges have more vitamin c and apples have more protein(just pretend what I'm saying to be true i have no idea).In the same way it is pretty much proven fact the best gaming mouse or any laser mouse has more pixel precision then an x-box controller,and consoles obviously have better four-player splitscreen co-op.

That said i have no intent on getting the game(I feel the x-box community is far larger and I don't really think the game has a good cost/content ratio as other games I play) but no dedicated servers or good matchmaking?seriously?

For any console gamers who wouldn't comprehend what it would basically meen to you.Imagine if Gears 2 or Halo 3 we're released on PC,the developers then say,"woops no splitscreen it could confuse you,if you wanna play with friends you have to be online and have one console per player"Of course it would translate to more money at the customers expense(more games need to be bought for mutliplayer, likewise less money would need to be spent on dedicated servers and programming a matchmaking system for this MW2 ordeal)but the reaction would be the same ol' shitstorm.

THIS is how MW2 PC's box SHOULD look like..
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NO NO NO NO NO. FOR FUCKS SAKE. SERIOUSLY CAN WE NOT HAVE SOMETHING UNIQUE ON THE PC. LEAVE THE CONSOLES WITH THEIR GAY MATCHMAKING SYSTEMS AND LEAVE US WITH OUR OH SO PRECIOUS LOBBY. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT CONDEMN US TO THIS HORRIBLE FATE, I LEFT THE CONSOLE COD BECAUSE THE POC HAD A HIGHER APPEAL IN EVERY WAY. INFINITY WARD IF YOU DO THIS YOU WILL BE AS PATHETIC AS TREYARCH. HERE GOES ANOTHER AMAZING TITLE.

Joeshie:

Rutawitz:
so the online for consoles is 100% less fun? care to explain? or are you still too busy trying to join a PC match with your friend?

I'm glad you asked.

* Community built custom maps

* Community built custom gametypes (surf maps anyone?)

* Making sure that when you join a server you get a good ping

* Being able to ban out 13 year old racist bastard children from your server

* Being able for the players to change the map with a simple vote whenever they want

* Being able to find and join a community of really fun people on a specific server (this one is very important, it's basically the reason I've kept coming back to TF2 for the past two years)

* Being able to easily join that aforementioned community with two clicks of your mouse

* Being able to communicate with something other than headset

* Ability to choose which control method you want: you can use keyboard/mouse or a controller

* Generally a much more mature community than the consoles

* Ability to choose how many players you want in a server

* Ability to choose what kinds of maps you play in a server

I'm sure there are a few that I've missed, but I think that would be sufficient to prove my point.

true. mods are pretty sweet. but im pretty sure no one is mature on console or pc. but on console, all you have to do is press a button to join a game.