Matchmaking system in Left 4 Dead is the only reason why I play the game in single player. It either can't find anything for good 20 minutes, or finds something, and then dumps you in some fucking middle of nowhere, and no-one there is even willing to communicate, not mentioning actual cooperation. Oh and by the way - lag eats your brain while you play.
I prefer dumb bots to dumber people.
No mods? Frontlines mod was the only thing that made CoD4's killstreakgrenadespawncampfest into something actually playable.
Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.
Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.
All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.
Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.
first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?
Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.
You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.
Compatriot Block: I seriously can't understand how some of you think that referring to console users as "console-tards" and the like is a good idea, or will be productive in any way.
I will digress for a moment. Where does a gamer become a "console-tard"? Is any person who prefers consoles to PC gaming inferior? Or is it anyone who "dares to waste their time on an inferior system"? What if a person plays both? Do they become console-tards while they play their Xbox/PS3, and shift back into the "nobility" when they play on their PCs? Anyways...
I believe that this choice was made, as some people above have surely stated, to make sure that the entirety of Infinity Ward's work is appreciated. You've all noticed that over it's life, TF2's map choice has become narrow. When was the last time you saw a full Hydro server? In fact, it's one of the more common complaints on the Steam forums that the "uneducated masses" play nothing but Goldrush, Dustbowl and 2Fort.
This is Infinity Ward's way of making sure that all of their maps are enjoyed in equal amounts.
People enjoy the levels they enjoy. Why should IW be able to tell the people actually playing the game that they should enjoy what they [IW] tells them?
You can already see whats the problem - just check the article picture.
Anyway - i was hoping to see some very good reviews of this game. But now i can see it moves in the wrong direction - like almost every game recently. Creating games for consoles is a step in the direction that every chimp can play games, and sadly this reflects in PC gaming.
I mean WTF. Server browsers to hard to use? How hard is to add a server to favorites and then always play on that particular server. To hard for some baboons i guess. They really need one button - "JOIN", because their brain cells could not compute more i guess.
LOL i remember playing Tie Figther - you had to use all keyboard. And i mean WHOLE keyboard + combination of shift+keys,... And i was about 13 at that time!! And believe it, i could manage it just fine + had a awesome time playing it. Can you imagine this game today? I bet it would be - press X to fire, and then it would follow - press O for shields, press O for trusters, press O for repair, press O for match speed, press O for.... Otherwise the chimps could not get it...
It looks like the good old times of PC gaming are gone. Get a baboon 3 key edition game nao.
I had no problems navigating in a game as a seven-year old who didn't know a WORD of English, and the first FPS I played was Counter-Strike. My brother spent about 20 seconds explaining to me (in an annoyed tone, and hurried, mind you) what the basic functions of the server list was. Twenty seconds after that I was ingame. I'm left-handed, and didn't want to play with right-handed controls. Called my brother, another twenty seconds, and I'm off to keymapping. A few minutes later I'm playing. Getting my ass kicked, sure, but I'm having fun. Never once did I find anything up to the point of actually playing difficult. And considering what I know now, I was a freaking idiot back then. I mean, I was TEN!
I don't see why removing the server list entirely helps. It might not be intuitive, but it doesn't HAVE to be. If a seven-year old with no experience of computer gaming and who doesn't know one single word of English can get a grip on the basic functions of a server list in under a minute, then I don't know how sluggish you have to be to not understand it. I mean seriously, it's like six clicks. Start game (double click), server list, refresh, select server, join server.
Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.
Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.
All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.
Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.
first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?
Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.
You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.
Most of the people who bought the game on consoles probably had no idea what COD 4 could do on a PC! It still sucked that they did not have it because the game could turn into a lag fest real fast.
Most people probably do not even realize that games tend to have multiple presets and stick to the defaults. Does that mean that there are not a great many people who would change their controls to suit them if they knew they could? For a long time I did not know that Southpaw existed as a configuration for shooters on consoles so I never played them. Then I got Black for the PS2 and setup Southpaw without even knowing it. Now I look for that and full button mapping in shooters otherwise I do not buy the game. Or I get the PC version where I know I can set my buttons as I please.
I have to be honest this is pretty stupid so what if it takes a couple of minutes to explain something big deal. I don't see what is so complicated of the PC way of doing things as I find consoles too restrictive.
SOMEONE CORREWCT ME ON THIS IF I AM WRONG but I am assuming that if there are no dedicated servers and IW makes it more like consoles that means I will not be able to find what map and gametype I want when I want it. As when I played Cod WaW on Xbox they didn't have HC HQ and loads of other shite like that. I like my 64 TDM on Shipment only sometimes and I won't get this if this happens.
WHY????????????????
And now to do as only gamers can do(also cause I have nothing better to do to) TO THE PETITION!
I PC game quit a bit, although I am not getting this game on the PC when I heard about this mess I was deeply outraged. The main reason I usually stick to PC gaming is the user created content. It keeps games fresh even years after they've been released.
Thanks Infinity Ward for being a massive pile of jerks.
Pigletdude: No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over. I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.
so........the PC version deserves to be better than the 360 and ps3 versions, right, after they said they are treating MW2 as an equal on all platforms, the pc version obviously needs to have something the other ones dont.
am I hitting the point here? if not I could go on.....
Im tired of the PC gamers "awww, you play on a console? how cute." mentality, I play console games because I dotn feel like optimizing my computer to get a viable frame-rate, I play consoles simply because jumping into a server on most PC games results in you getting booted because you are not a regular player there, therefor don't have a right to be there. Modern Warfare for the consoles runs possibly better than the PC version for one simple reason, you get everything you need with it. Sure you might not get modded servers, but playing "cops and robbers" gets old, fast. Also, if PC's are better, then why is a big fuss being made about dropping dedicated servers? I mean, the console versions never had them, and look how well they do.
only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.
The reasoning I SEE, is that it was enabled in the first game so there is little or no reason not to include it in the second.
Oh and matey, Xbox live and PSN both run off the "internets", ya know ? Coz they also run off your modem/ wireless adapter, sorry but that ignorance pisses me off.
In my opinion, the author of this article is talking out his ass.
The best servers are dedicated servers as they usually have high grade download and upload speeds that are in excess of what most gamers can generally afford.
Second of all, dedicated servers are as far from clunky as you can imagine and the sheer stupdity of the author's comments to the contrary actually induced a massive, furious temper from me.
How can simply clicking the column you want your games sorted by be considered clunky? Want a particular map? Click the map listing header, want a well populated or low populated server? Guess what you do? It involves one or two clicks.
so let me get this streight... they up the price of the pc version, they remove maps from it to be released at a later date to the xbox first as dlc (i cudnt care less what has been said) and then they remove dedi servers from the pc fan base, well bloody done IW.... im sorry but i would love to know the total idiot who came into the office that day and said "hey guys i have a wounderful idea, lets p*** off all our pc fan base"
Kalezian: first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?
Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.
You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.
Somewhere a logic professor is crying.
"was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt?" I would think not, considering that most mainstream console games abandoned dedicated servers after after Rainbow Six 3 for the Xbox in 2003, a whole 6 years ago.
"Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no." I fail to see how adding Dedicated Servers to the console, is functionally equivalent to adding Dedicated Servers to PC. Dedicated Servers were not something that was considered a staple of online console gaming, whereas they were for PC gaming. Dedicated servers were not in the last iteration of Modern Warfare for Consoles. While your logic is not necessarily flawed, your premises are. A more appropriate comparison to PC fans wanting Dedicated Servers is console fans wanting Matchmaking.
"You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search." You do realize this invalidates the whole 'elitist PC gamer who hates anyone who doesn't think like them' argument you've been making by proving you are no better than the strawman PC gamer you dreamed up?
Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.
Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.
All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.
Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.
first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?
Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.
You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.
Most of the people who bought the game on consoles probably had no idea what COD 4 could do on a PC! It still sucked that they did not have it because the game could turn into a lag fest real fast.
Most people probably do not even realize that games tend to have multiple presets and stick to the defaults. Does that mean that there are not a great many people who would change their controls to suit them if they knew they could? For a long time I did not know that Southpaw existed as a configuration for shooters on consoles so I never played them. Then I got Black for the PS2 and setup Southpaw without even knowing it. Now I look for that and full button mapping in shooters otherwise I do not buy the game. Or I get the PC version where I know I can set my buttons as I please.
oh, your talking about the matchmaking selection screens, where you can choose from deathmatch, team deathmatch, and hardcore? because Im sure you have to choose one of those options before you start playing.
and what CoD4 could do on the pc? do you mean you getting into a room with a modded map and easily get tenth prestige without trying? Im not exactly following you.
AS for the "lag-fest", ive never had lag problems, maybe its just your internet connection, after all, Live requires you have a set bandwidth before you can play games online.
but yea, I really dont see how changing your controls has anything to do with IW not having dedicated server support, though I would like to point you to here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.150217
and I quote:
IW has control of the game IWnet servers will host multiplayer DLC will be a charged item for PC No dedicated servers Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players VAC instead of PB Semi-capable password servers Semi-capable ad-hoc servers MW2 mods would not be possible Full integration into Steam
so obviously IWnet server hosting is a bad thing, yep, must be.
When was the last time you saw a full Hydro server? In fact, it's one of the more common complaints on the Steam forums that the "uneducated masses" play nothing but Goldrush, Dustbowl and 2Fort.
Last night I was on a Hydro server that was close to full. It was on the rotation on my regular server. And 2fort is a pretty hated map amongs many. Gold Rush is popular for a reason. It's an awesome map. So is dustbowl incidentally.
Console matchmaking is a step backward compared dedicated servers. But there IS a way to join matchmaking with dedicated servers - i.e. Battlefield 2142 (and I'm almost certain 2 too) dona that very well. But laziness and greed won't let IW+Acti spend money and time to make anything better for a PC. We just get a console port - that's all.
Obviously, SilentHunter7, Im reading an entirely different thread than you are.
Perhaps you are. I didn't see anyone there say MM in addition to a server browser and dedicated servers was a bad idea.
All I see there is rage they they removed server browsing.
Which I think is reasonable. I don't think Console owners would be pleased with IW if they said they're getting rid of matchmaking, and replacing it with Wii Friend Codes.
first off, replacing matchmaking with friend codes is not equal to replacing server browsers and dedicated servers with match making, as you can still play with random people on both dedicated servers and matchmaking, now had IW replaced matchmaking with dedicated servers for consoles, would there still be the same reaction?
Im guessing no, was there a big fuss about CoD 4 having dedicated servers, while consoles didnt? no, Did console players get mad and try to petition IW to add Dedicated servers to the consoles? no.
You know, I hope they add cross-platform multiplayer for the pc-360, just so I can hear all the fanboys whining about how IW ruined Modern Warfare, after all, its plausible now that they use the same match search.
Most of the people who bought the game on consoles probably had no idea what COD 4 could do on a PC! It still sucked that they did not have it because the game could turn into a lag fest real fast.
Most people probably do not even realize that games tend to have multiple presets and stick to the defaults. Does that mean that there are not a great many people who would change their controls to suit them if they knew they could? For a long time I did not know that Southpaw existed as a configuration for shooters on consoles so I never played them. Then I got Black for the PS2 and setup Southpaw without even knowing it. Now I look for that and full button mapping in shooters otherwise I do not buy the game. Or I get the PC version where I know I can set my buttons as I please.
oh, your talking about the matchmaking selection screens, where you can choose from deathmatch, team deathmatch, and hardcore? because Im sure you have to choose one of those options before you start playing.
and what CoD4 could do on the pc? do you mean you getting into a room with a modded map and easily get tenth prestige without trying? Im not exactly following you.
AS for the "lag-fest", ive never had lag problems, maybe its just your internet connection, after all, Live requires you have a set bandwidth before you can play games online.
but yea, I really dont see how changing your controls has anything to do with IW not having dedicated server support, though I would like to point you to here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.150217
and I quote:
IW has control of the game IWnet servers will host multiplayer DLC will be a charged item for PC No dedicated servers Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players VAC instead of PB Semi-capable password servers Semi-capable ad-hoc servers MW2 mods would not be possible Full integration into Steam
so obviously IWnet server hosting is a bad thing, yep, must be.
The point is that people may not complaint out of ignorance not because something is a non issue. Do you think that people did not get together through a party and go into a ranked match in order to level up? Match making does fuck all to solve that problem. I use controller settings as an example of something lots of people may not say anything about because they simply do not know they can change it to suit them if need be, it is called an example.
Pigletdude: No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over. I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.
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only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.
You are...aware that pcs and consoles both run off of the same internet? and that the internet connection will be the same speed wether you play COD on your PC or your Console if they're both hooked up to the same phone line?
Pigletdude: No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over. I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.
so........the PC version deserves to be better than the 360 and ps3 versions, right, after they said they are treating MW2 as an equal on all platforms, the pc version obviously needs to have something the other ones dont.
am I hitting the point here? if not I could go on.....
Im tired of the PC gamers "awww, you play on a console? how cute." mentality, I play console games because I dotn feel like optimizing my computer to get a viable frame-rate, I play consoles simply because jumping into a server on most PC games results in you getting booted because you are not a regular player there, therefor don't have a right to be there. Modern Warfare for the consoles runs possibly better than the PC version for one simple reason, you get everything you need with it. Sure you might not get modded servers, but playing "cops and robbers" gets old, fast. Also, if PC's are better, then why is a big fuss being made about dropping dedicated servers? I mean, the console versions never had them, and look how well they do.
only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.
The reasoning I SEE, is that it was enabled in the first game so there is little or no reason not to include it in the second.
Oh and matey, Xbox live and PSN both run off the "internets", ya know ? Coz they also run off your modem/ wireless adapter, sorry but that ignorance pisses me off.
why yes, they do, however atleast the 360 requires a set ammount of bandwidth to allow you to play games online, not sure how PSN does that. The point is that there shouldnt be anyone mad about this, if thats the case where is the angry mob with their pitchforks going after ODST?
sure there isnt a reason why it shouldnt be in this one, but then again IW decided to take it out to make it more accessible.
I love how gamers like to think they can boss game developers around, its like me changing my avatar to a puppy and people getting mad because its no longer a bunny, and yes, think about that for a second, yes, its just as stupid as people getting mad about a feature getting removed from a game.
was never gunna buy it anyway MW2 never realy looked that good to me mabey im not brought in by the whole OMG! its teh war in modern times. BTW anyone Know a good revolutionary war FPS for me to try? ive always wanted to try one.
Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL (of course not PL. Sorry for the lapse) etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
Pigletdude: No I'm not feeling like I'm in a "little special club of special kids", I genuinely bloody prefer dedicated servers, after playing the likes of DoW 2 mess of a matchmaking and all those games with quickmatches which screw me over. I'm just more inclined to the manual, "do it yourself" ethos, accessible is one thing, but taking away choice is another thing I'm not loving, if we can have dedicated servers, but the devs can't be arsed to change one friggin thing for the PC port then I deserve to be pissed off.
so........the PC version deserves to be better than the 360 and ps3 versions, right, after they said they are treating MW2 as an equal on all platforms, the pc version obviously needs to have something the other ones dont.
am I hitting the point here? if not I could go on.....
Im tired of the PC gamers "awww, you play on a console? how cute." mentality, I play console games because I dotn feel like optimizing my computer to get a viable frame-rate, I play consoles simply because jumping into a server on most PC games results in you getting booted because you are not a regular player there, therefor don't have a right to be there. Modern Warfare for the consoles runs possibly better than the PC version for one simple reason, you get everything you need with it. Sure you might not get modded servers, but playing "cops and robbers" gets old, fast. Also, if PC's are better, then why is a big fuss being made about dropping dedicated servers? I mean, the console versions never had them, and look how well they do.
only reasoning I can think of is that their internet connections suck, in that case: console > pc.
The reasoning I SEE, is that it was enabled in the first game so there is little or no reason not to include it in the second.
Oh and matey, Xbox live and PSN both run off the "internets", ya know ? Coz they also run off your modem/ wireless adapter, sorry but that ignorance pisses me off.
why yes, they do, however atleast the 360 requires a set ammount of bandwidth to allow you to play games online, not sure how PSN does that. The point is that there shouldnt be anyone mad about this, if thats the case where is the angry mob with their pitchforks going after ODST?
sure there isnt a reason why it shouldnt be in this one, but then again IW decided to take it out to make it more accessible.
I love how gamers like to think they can boss game developers around, its like me changing my avatar to a puppy and people getting mad because its no longer a bunny, and yes, think about that for a second, yes, its just as stupid as people getting mad about a feature getting removed from a game.
also, Im not your matey.
You pay developers so that they give you what they want?
teh_gunslinger: Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them RAWR RAWR RAWR!
teh_gunslinger: Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them and an advanced mode after I get the hang of things. RAWR RAWR RAWR!
teh_gunslinger: Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them and an advanced mode after I get the hang of things. RAWR RAWR RAWR!
Fixed it for you. :)
Tis a shame the people that's for dont think like that, they just want simple :P
And did you have to go ruin my only piece of sarcasm today?
Two points, 1) I Don't believe I ever stated I gave the slightest bit of concern over what you want. 2) I never said that MW2 shouldn't be made either, simply, I have no interest in it.
1) Is it so wrong to playfully tell you to 'get outta hyah' and voice my opinion? I guess the internet just isn't good at conveying the context in which people speak. All in all I'm just tired of WW2 FPS', you don't have to be such a dick about it. 2) When did I say you said MW2 shouldn't be made? The entire post wasn't addressed to you, just that individual sentence. What are you going on about?
If it was truly meant light-heartedly then I apologize, but the point still remains, you're entitled to like Modern Warfare or even futuristic based FPS' to your hearts content, and I don't begrudge you that either. Leave my WW2 era FPS' alone though, they started the CoD/MoH craze and have plenty of content left to cover before they come anywhere close to tapping that conflict.
Don't forget who made Call of Duty big, it wasn't shitty console players.
Considering cod4 sold most on 360, I'd say consolers have taken over that mantle.
It wouldnt have got to that stage though if it wasn't for PC gamers. Spitting in the face of the people who got you to where you are is seldom a good idea.
I just don't see why they'd do this, it makes no sense in any way or form to remove dedicated servers, plus its likely more people will pirate the game just to play the single player due to being put off multiplayer by this. Especially as someone will probably mod in a server browser for cracked servers which people will then run.
teh_gunslinger: Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them RAWR RAWR RAWR!
Hells bells, no Baldur's Gate for you then. You better stick with Mass Effect. :P Or Europa Universalis for that matter. Or Civilization.
What does my mind say about my care level? It's under -9000!
No dedicated servers will mean more official servers which are kept clean of angry kids and griefers. Maybe they will miss one or two custom plug-ins but it's not that crucial.
Diablini: What does my mind say about my care level? It's under -9000!
No dedicated servers will mean more official servers which are kept clean of angry kids and griefers. Maybe they will miss one or two custom plug-ins but it's not that crucial.
What? But they aint admin-ized. Which means MORE angry kids and griefers.
teh_gunslinger: Oh, I just had a flash of inspiration. If dedicated servers and server browsers are that insanely complicated as John Funk and others think could you not explain it in some sort of paper that was with the game. A description of how to work it and a little vocabulary that explained basic terms like ping, DM, TDM, CTF, PL etc.? Some sort of handbook for the game. Perhaps it could be called a manual, seeing as manus means hand in Latin and all?
I dont want to have to read things! I'm entitled to have things handed to me and simplified so I can understand them RAWR RAWR RAWR!
Hells bells, no Baldur's Gate for you then. You better stick with Mass Effect. :P Or Europa Universalis for that matter. Or Civilization.
(A joke, of course)
Good ol' Baldur's gate, how I love thee. Even if it does run a little dodgy on my PC these days.
So since when has the PC turn into some trivial piece of machine for newcomers to get into? Last i remember you graduate to PC, not start from it. PC gaming doesn't need more people as it needs more support from the ppl making the games. IW started off on the PC and now they moved on to a more lucrative franchise with the Consoles. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAKING IT EASIER FOR YOU. its making it easier for them to make ONE game and port it 3 ways than make 1 game with 2 different functions.
If you graduate to a PC then you must be going to a community college. Since when was the PC some godly thing that only the best can use? I game on my PC and I prefer a console. Plus if you had listened to IW they said they were going to make the game balanced for all, and if that includes PCs then so be it. Really all of you PC people bitching makes you look childish and me glad that I'm not a hardcore PC gamer.
Diablini: What does my mind say about my care level? It's under -9000!
No dedicated servers will mean more official servers which are kept clean of angry kids and griefers. Maybe they will miss one or two custom plug-ins but it's not that crucial.
What? But they aint admin-ized. Which means MORE angry kids and griefers.
This is truth, spoken well. Dedicated servers are the way to go if you want jerk and griefer free play.
Matchmaking system in Left 4 Dead is the only reason why I play the game in single player. It either can't find anything for good 20 minutes, or finds something, and then dumps you in some fucking middle of nowhere, and no-one there is even willing to communicate, not mentioning actual cooperation. Oh and by the way - lag eats your brain while you play.
I prefer dumb bots to dumber people.
No mods?
Frontlines mod was the only thing that made CoD4's killstreakgrenadespawncampfest into something actually playable.