Six Days in Fallujah Bad, "Family Friendly" Wii Shooter Good!

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Six Days in Fallujah Bad, "Family Friendly" Wii Shooter Good!

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The controversial shooter Six Days in Fallujah isn't dead yet, says Atomic Games President Peter Tamte, but right now he's focusing on another, more "family friendly" project: The upcoming Marines: Modern Urban Combat for the Wii.

A refresher course: Six Days in Fallujah, a "documentary wargame," was intended to be a realistic portrayal of the 2004 battle between U.S. forces and insurgents in the Iraqi city. Despite being created with the assistance of U.S. Marines who served in the campaign, however, the game triggered such outrage that Konami, the planned publisher, backed out of the deal. Since then, Atomic has struggled to find a new publisher willing to take on the game.

The studio was eventually forced to lay off employees and rumors began to swirl that it was on the verge of closing its doors; Tamte, however, recently told the Marine Corps Times (via Google) that despite the cuts, the company remains committed to finding a publishing partner and getting the game out the door.

In the meantime, however, Atomic's "sister" company Destineer is getting ready to launch its own military-themed shooter, called Marines: Modern Urban Combat. The game is based on a Marine Corps training system originally created by Destineer in 2005, which was later released commercially as Close Combat: First to Fight for the PC, Mac and Xbox 360.

"One of our objectives with First to Fight that also carried forward to this project is to celebrate the values of the Marine Corps - honor, courage and commitment," Tamte said. "We view this more as an opportunity for the average consumer to understand more about Marines than they might get just by reading the newspaper."

While Six Days in Fallujah is "visceral, emotional and authentic," Tamte described Modern Urban Combat as "family friendly." Gamers can use the Wii Zapper to simulate an M16 as they battle AK47 and RPG-wielding Syrian and Iranian insurgents who are trying to spark a civil war in Beirut. Players will lead a team that includes a gunner, assistant gunner and rifleman, and will have access to the M249 SAW and grenades.

So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Marines: Modern Urban Combat is scheduled for release on November 10, exclusively for the Wii. Six Days in Fallujah, on the other hand, will come out about a week after Hell freezes over.

via: Destructoid

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For the same reason that Modern Warfare 2 received criticism for its latest trailer, so too does Fallujah fall. I think it's less that it's a game, and more to do with the content itself and the label applied to it. What is Modern Warfare? A game? Yes. But it's entertainment. What is Saving Private Ryan? A movie? Yes. But it's not generally called "entertainment" so much as a use of the medium to tell the story. Videogames can't break this title, and the fault lies with publishers like Konami who refuse to stand against those titles. Every time they back down from a game like this, they admit that yes, videogames are just a form of entertainment. And applying the term "entertainment" to a game about marines dying, real marines, who really died, in a real battle, it's an uncomfortable topic.

That's why it's okay to kill generic Irakistanis with KA-74s. In the same way a hostage taker duct tapes their hostage's mouths and binds their hands to dehumanize them in an effort to make it easier to kill them, refusing to release this game is the equivalent of binding and gagging it. We can't see the marines, real people, we can't experience what they went through. It remains simply a game, something that we can pause and turn off when we die too much.

That's entertainment.

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

EDIT: I sincerely hope Atomic can shake off this recent series of setbacks. They're one of my favorite developers.

You know what. I'm going to buy this game. I don't even care how it plays, I'm going to buy it.

Modern Urban Combat and Modern Warfare 2 both out on the same day.

Tactical naming, anyone?

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Sort of like making the Australian Zombies more grotesque so people won't be upset by them, isn't it?

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

Indeed. Political correctness and logic never seem to go hand in hand. For that matter, neither do politicians and logic... That may just be me, though.

Yegargeburble:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

Indeed. Political correctness and logic never seem to go hand in hand. For that matter, neither do politicians and logic... That may just be me, though.

Reminder: the people who complain about what video games people play should not affect the descisions of a major company. ok, they just made a realistic game about the army, and people are going to speak out against it. BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. just ignore them. obama fired the "Fox = Assholes" guys for the same reason. just ignore em.

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

cainx10a:

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

You must be biased, because as far as I know Six Days was never made. So calling it an Arab killing simulator without even knowing how it plays seems a bit ignorant. Especially when they SAID they were going to make the effects the battle had on the innocents a focus on the story.

SilentHunter7:

cainx10a:

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

You must be biased, because as far as I know Six Days was never made. So calling it an Arab killing simulator without even knowing how it plays seems a bit ignorant.

Other than shacknews report that it was pretty much an action game, uh, yeah, just plain ignorant, same as those praising Atomic for an attempt to make a unique emotional wargame.

cainx10a:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

Well somehow I don't expect the game to maintain it's realism if you're shooting weapon weilding zombies in fallujah instead of Iraqi terrorists. It turns out most Iraqis (and therefore Iraqi terrorists) are middle eastern due to its location in the Middle East. Who knew huh?

It's going to flop harder than a 90 year old man's penis, sorry for sticking that image in your head. It's on the Wii, it's getting released 7 days before MW2 and to be honest the game looks ugly. Even if it is a good game, it'll get overshadowed by the Xmas game rush and get totally destroyed by MW2. It's a shame really.

archvile93:

cainx10a:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

Well somehow I don't expect the game to maintain it's realism if you're shooting weapon weilding zombies in fallujah instead of Iraqi terrorists. It turns out most Iraqis (and therefore Iraqi terrorists) are middle eastern due to its location in the Middle East. Who knew huh?

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1110

Doesn't still excuse the fact that it's just a bunch of goons profiteering from an immoral war, oh and good read.

Iraqi terrorists? huh, yeah, they are middle-eastern, they are "shooting" at western troops with rocks, they must be terrorists.

I seriously think Political Correctness has gotten way, way out of control. Scared to offend people? Grow a pair and say hey, this is how I feel, yes it might be offensive to some but it's my opinion on the matter.

PC is killing just about every medium now...it's just sad.

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

:-(

That's pretty much why I've given up on the video-game industry entirely. I'll enjoy a few scraps here and there but I'm deeply convinced that video games are pretty stagnant as far as the kind of creativity I care about is concerned.

(Of course, I'm not convinced that Six Days was actually going to successfully do that, especially after looking at Call of Duty 4, where the gameplay undercuts and swallows up the handful of thoughtful scenes anyway.)

-- Alex

Six days was turning into just generic shooter game anyways from the early shows of it if I remember correctly. So no loss on that end.

Am I the only one who thinks the "family-friendly" label comes chiefly from it being a Wii game and pro-American military?

cainx10a:

archvile93:

cainx10a:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

Well somehow I don't expect the game to maintain it's realism if you're shooting weapon weilding zombies in fallujah instead of Iraqi terrorists. It turns out most Iraqis (and therefore Iraqi terrorists) are middle eastern due to its location in the Middle East. Who knew huh?

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1110

Doesn't still excuse the fact that it's just a bunch of goons profiteering from an immoral war, oh and good read.

Iraqi terrorists? huh, yeah, they are middle-eastern, they are "shooting" at western troops with rocks, they must be terrorists.

Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

Maybe they should call the new game Shoot Mii?

archvile93:

cainx10a:

archvile93:

cainx10a:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

Well somehow I don't expect the game to maintain it's realism if you're shooting weapon weilding zombies in fallujah instead of Iraqi terrorists. It turns out most Iraqis (and therefore Iraqi terrorists) are middle eastern due to its location in the Middle East. Who knew huh?

http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1110

Doesn't still excuse the fact that it's just a bunch of goons profiteering from an immoral war, oh and good read.

Iraqi terrorists? huh, yeah, they are middle-eastern, they are "shooting" at western troops with rocks, they must be terrorists.

Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

I don't speak Arabic.

Never read the Quran which happens to be available in English, or french, and I've been told the translation is fine.

The Iraqis weren't trying to convert you to Sunni Islam or Shia Islam or pokemon Islam.

And if you bothered to check the facts about Fallujah's pre and post-invasion, civilians killed in fallujah were unarmed, the documentary above showed that war crimes did occur during and before the siege, whether to avenge the Blackwater's death, then that should be enough to see why making and releasing this game is wrong, specially if you are only going to focus on one side.

And I am only taking about Fallujah, not about every single other location where the resistance/insurgency/terruristslolololol was active.

Someone below just mentioned about "enemy soldiers" or resistance as I like who call it, no one wants their home town to get invaded by a bunch of trigger happy goons.

And for those who bothered to play Insurgency (yeah, they made a mod using Half-Life 2 about different battle scenarios in Iraq and Afghanistan), that's a decent Iraq-war game, which didn't aim to offend or pretend to be something else other than a cheap action game.

damn I was looking foreward to this game too

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

cainx10a:

archvile93:
[quote="cainx10a" post="7.151194.3571597"][quote="archvile93" post="7.151194.3571565"][quote="cainx10a" post="7.151194.3571429"][quote="SilentHunter7" post="7.151194.3571277"][quote="Malygris" post="7.151194.3571188"]I don't speak Arabic.

Never read the Quran which happens to be available in English, or french, and I've been told the translation is fine.

The Iraqis weren't trying to convert you to Sunni Islam or Shia Islam or pokemon Islam.

And if you bothered to check the facts about Fallujah's pre and post-invasion, civilians killed in fallujah were unharmed, the documentary above showed that war crimes did occur during and before the siege, whether to avenge the Blackwater's death, then that should be enough to see why making and releasing this game is wrong, specially if you are only going to focus on one side.
And I am only taking about Fallujah, not about every single other location where the resistance/insurgency/terruristslolololol was active.

Someone below just mentioned about "enemy soldiers" or resistance as I like who call it, no one wants their home town to get invaded by a bunch of trigger happy goons.

And for those who bothered to play Insurgency (yeah, they made a mod using Half-Life 2 about different battle scenarios in Iraq and Afghanistan), that's a decent Iraq-war game, which didn't aim to offend or pretend to be something else other than a cheap action game.

Wow get over yourself, I mean congratulations you now understand how practically every Germanic person has felt for the past 30 years of ww2 themed games, that were also incredibly one sided and pro-american. I mean do you honestly think you're the first one to feel offended/Alienated by a Military shooter? You think the stereotypical evil portrayals of the Nazis and German Wehrmacht are perfectly fine, yet when something is centered during Modern times featuring your people its suddenly a hate crime?

I'm not even remotely German but I fail to see what your point is in this.....I mean obviously not all the people in Fallujah were evil anti-american insurgents but then again not every German was a Nazi.

EDIT:
And not every Covenant In Halo was an Evil Ailen, Some were cute and cuddly
also I messed up the quote thingy, I apologize

Coming out November 10th? Delay that. You got Call of Duty 4 on the Wii coming out then.

Shoes:
*Snip*

Well said, and I agree.

cainx10a:

And if you bothered to check the facts about Fallujah's pre and post-invasion, civilians killed in fallujah were unharmed, the documentary above showed that war crimes did occur during and before the siege, whether to avenge the Blackwater's death, then that should be enough to see why making and releasing this game is wrong, specially if you are only going to focus on one side.

This is not to bash you, but the sentence "civilians killed in Fallujah were unharmed" probably violates a few laws of physics :P. I hope what you wanted to say was "civilians supposedly killed in Fallujah were unharmed".

I understand that the game is offensive and there are good arguments for not having it published, but why are people bashing Atomic Games for making it?

cainx10a:
Doesn't still excuse the fact that it's just a bunch of goons profiteering from an immoral war, oh and good read.

But why do they even need an excuse? Isn't this a good indication that capitalism is working? I think it's only logical that someone jumps on the profiteering gravy train in a capitalist society, especially since society has demonstrated repeatedly that money outweighs ethics any day.

I would still like to play Six Days in Fallujah, just to experience what the developers have created.

Shame, Six Days sounded like a hell of a game

Pingieking:

Shoes:
*Snip*

cainx10a:

And if you bothered to check the facts about Fallujah's pre and post-invasion, civilians killed in fallujah were unharmed, the documentary above showed that war crimes did occur during and before the siege, whether to avenge the Blackwater's death, then that should be enough to see why making and releasing this game is wrong, specially if you are only going to focus on one side.

This is not to bash you, but the sentence "civilians killed in Fallujah were unarmed " probably violates a few laws of physics :P. I hope what you wanted to say was "civilians supposedly killed in Fallujah were unharmed".

I understand that the game is offensive and there are good arguments for not having it published, but why are people bashing Atomic Games for making it?

1. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it. =D

2. Yeah, I would actually play this game since I have this very bad habit of spending more money than I really should on video games. Already placed 3 pre-orders in one week, and after the l4d2 trailer, I feel like ... uh ... never mind. Must, Resist, Urge, To, PRE-ORDER!

November 10th, eh? Aw man, MW2's gonna own it

Forgive my possible rant, but I wish to broadcast something to the naysayers of "Six Days"...*Ahem* This game was made at the request of and with the help of the marines who fought in the battle. Now if the United States Marine Corps doesn't have a problem with it, who the hell are you to argue!?!

Again, I apologize for the rant.

Shoes:

cainx10a:

archvile93:
[quote="cainx10a" post="7.151194.3571597"][quote="archvile93" post="7.151194.3571565"][quote="cainx10a" post="7.151194.3571429"][quote="SilentHunter7" post="7.151194.3571277"][quote="Malygris" post="7.151194.3571188"]I don't speak Arabic.

Never read the Quran which happens to be available in English, or french, and I've been told the translation is fine.

The Iraqis weren't trying to convert you to Sunni Islam or Shia Islam or pokemon Islam.

And if you bothered to check the facts about Fallujah's pre and post-invasion, civilians killed in fallujah were unharmed, the documentary above showed that war crimes did occur during and before the siege, whether to avenge the Blackwater's death, then that should be enough to see why making and releasing this game is wrong, specially if you are only going to focus on one side.
And I am only taking about Fallujah, not about every single other location where the resistance/insurgency/terruristslolololol was active.

Someone below just mentioned about "enemy soldiers" or resistance as I like who call it, no one wants their home town to get invaded by a bunch of trigger happy goons.

And for those who bothered to play Insurgency (yeah, they made a mod using Half-Life 2 about different battle scenarios in Iraq and Afghanistan), that's a decent Iraq-war game, which didn't aim to offend or pretend to be something else other than a cheap action game.

Wow get over yourself, I mean congratulations you now understand how practically every Germanic person has felt for the past 30 years of ww2 themed games, that were also incredibly one sided and pro-american. I mean do you honestly think you're the first one to feel offended/Alienated by a Military shooter? You think the stereotypical evil portrayals of the Nazis and German Wehrmacht are perfectly fine, yet when something is centered during Modern times featuring your people its suddenly a hate crime?

I'm not even remotely German but I fail to see what your point is in this.....I mean obviously not all the people in Fallujah were evil anti-american insurgents but then again not every German was a Nazi.

EDIT:
And not every Covenant In Halo was an Evil Ailen, Some were cute and cuddly
also I messed up the quote thingy, I apologize

Except the Iraqis are not Nazis. And the context of the war is totally different. My point is, exploiting the death of Iraqis (most of them CIVILIANS), specially in Fallujah, is horrible.

And yeah, I always felt bad about killing those tiny little aliens in Halo 3.

Of course, because people don't want to be bothered by someone else's problems. Let them deal with it. I'm gonna go take out my stress on some zombies. Why would someone buy a game that makes them realize how screwed up it is in Iraq, in the real world?

So they're trying to make war family friendly? T_T

cainx10a:

Except the Iraqis are not Nazis. And the context of the war is totally different. My point is, exploiting the death of Iraqis (most of them CIVILIANS), specially in Fallujah, is horrible.

And yeah, I always felt bad about killing those tiny little aliens in Halo 3.

And 'exploiting the deaths' of Germans isn't horrible? The Germans weren't Nazis, either. During World War Two, the entire Nazi party had around 8 to 9 million members. The total population of the Third Reich exceeded 83 million.

Historians estimate the German civilian war deaths to be in the range of 300,000 to almost 3 million. Look up the firebombing of Dresden. 25,000 civilians were killed in one night.

The Germans killed 50,000 British civilians during the Blitz.

I bet you never heard about how the airborne divisions executed prisoners so that they wouldn't delay their advance. How about after the war when the soldiers would go through towns, and drag out alleged Nazis into the street and blow their heads off?

Did you ever hear about the Bataan Death March? Where 75,000 US and Filipino POWs were forcibly marched 50 miles without food or water, and anyone who fell behind or helped a failing prisoner was either run over, beheaded, or shot?

What about Russia, where historians consider 13 million civilian deaths a seriously conservative estimate?

And of course there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Iraq can't hold a candle to World War Two.

War is hell, and it always has been. Civilians will always get caught in the crossfire. It's just what happens. If we can let a developer turn a 7 year World War that was fought across 2 oceans, and 3 continents, and seen more atrocities than we care to remember into an endless romp of fighting undead german soldiers, then I think we can allow a game developer to try to make a 'serious' game about Iraq. Or not, apparently.

People don't want to consider that maybe the war wasn't the greatest idea ever.

I hope my previous post didnt come off as offensive as I meant non, but seriously as Silenthunter7 said "War is hell" and as some cool voice over guy said "War, War never changes"

The fact of the matter is you could take any War big or small and twist it to your liking make it seem just and unjust for whom ever, and ofcourse if there was a game made about it, complain.

I mean as gamers how many times have we stormed the beach of Normandy, slaying German soldiers left and right kicking ass and taking names on the French countryside, Without a second thought or look back? Too many times if you ask me......Now we replace the French countryside with some dirt and sand, make it a bit more modern and its suddenly wrong? People especially those critical of video games need to take a step back and realize the huge hypocrisy their positions are:

Its okay to kill Germans and Japanese by the virtual dozens but switch it to virtual guys with towels on their heads and we have a huge problem? Cmooooooon

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