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Gone Gonzo
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Well, that guy is a bit of an idiot then isn't he. Surely that check would have been better off pre-ordering Battlefield: BC 2 instead.

Copy Clerk
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What did he actually aim to achieve other than emptying his wallet and seeming slightly petty?

If he goes on to buy Battlefield then he'll effectively have paid twice....clever man.

Beat Writer
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Sparrow:
Well, that guy is a bit of an idiot then isn't he. Surely that check would have been better off pre-ordering Battlefield: BC 2 instead.

Not making quite the same amount of publicity though! I imagine quite a few people have switched to preordering BC2 over MW2 after the dedicated server scandal but it doesnt quite make the headlines as sending a cheque purely as a fuck-you to MW2.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Oh, man this is great stuff. it's like, "you have dedicated servers, here take my money". I could understand if he bought that game instead of MW2, but to just send them his money. What? Is this guy going to send 60$ to every game company that makes a PC FPS with dedicated servers now.

Though to be fair, I guess this is more like a statement of protest. But why not just send a letter saying "I'm not going to buy MW2 because it doesn't have dedicated servers. Instead I'll spend the 60$ on food". Or something like that.

Paperboy
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IW obviously figured out that MW2 multiplayer wasn't that great to support it. So, players are left with somehow short single-player campaign. Way to spend some bucks!
Battlefied's trademark vehicular-heavy multiplayer is more fun anyway.

Press Junketeer
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Good on him. He felt strongly enough about it to do something and was bright enough make it public. It's a nice change from the "Boycott 'n' Cave" crowd who talk big but fold at the first sight of something shiney.

Gone Gonzo
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The Great JT:
Way to lose a sale, Infinity Ward. Not that it'll make any difference in the longrun, MW2 is already more popular than Halo 3 at its launch, but I can't help but wonder if this all could've been avoided if you had devoted servers.

Dude MW2 has already beaten Halo 3 with Pre-Orders (i think at least), thats a pretty big feat. I am one of those to pre-order the game. I say its better to get it on launch day delivered to my door then waiting 10 months for the stores to get more stock, and annother 10 years for them to drop the price (look at CoD 4, its still $50 new last time i checked).

Anonymous Source
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MGlBlaze:

I found the multiplayer in CoD4 to be somewhat... broken. Shooting a guy 5 times with stopping power only to have him shoot you twice with a weaker weapon and you die, no lag compensation, 'noobtube', nadespam, the fact that almost NO-ONE talks at all or even seems to own a mic... yeah...

And this is exactly the reason us PC gamers are so up in arms over the servers. With Dedicated Servers, we can BAN or KICK those who nadespam, restrict the use of noobtubes, have a properly calibrated ping, and most PC gamers use their mics or type in between lives. The stopping power crap is independent of that, and is more of a patch issue.

They lost my sale for sure. As a Clan Gamer, i always play on 3-4 servers that play by rules i enjoy. I enjoy community with my games as well as competitive play. MW2 kills all I enjoy about PC gaming before i even open the box. Thanks for saving me 60 bucks yet again Activision.

Press Junketeer
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This guy just maxed his respect-meter in my eyes. This is a man who know what he is doing. That money was supposed to go to IW for their over-hyped standard FPS shooter, but instead of just not giving it to them, he gives it to a competitor! He clearly showed what he feels about IW, and he showed his support to a company he thinks is much better, giving them what he feels they should have.
I think this was a great move. I would do something similar if I had the cash, and if I ever had thought about buying MW2.

Press Junketeer
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Furburt:
Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'

No we won't impale your head on a stick. We'll use our superior hand eye coordination and the faster reaction time of a key board and mouse to spawn camp the console gamers. They will all quit, ask mom for a ride to Gamestop, and cry whilst stamping their feet.

Arcadic:
And this is exactly the reason us PC gamers are so up in arms over the servers. With Dedicated Servers, we can BAN or KICK those who nadespam, restrict the use of noobtubes, have a properly calibrated ping, and most PC gamers use their mics or type in between lives. The stopping power crap is independent of that, and is more of a patch issue.

They lost my sale for sure. As a Clan Gamer, i always play on 3-4 servers that play by rules i enjoy. I enjoy community with my games as well as competitive play. MW2 kills all I enjoy about PC gaming before i even open the box. Thanks for saving me 60 bucks yet again Activision.

Agreed! I miss the good old days when Call of Duty 2 was where shit was at.

Muckraker
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Can't even see what the problem is, just seems to me to be a load of people yelling at a brick wall. They own the game, they can do what they want with it. You'd be better off saving your cash, and not buying it if your that bothered by it.

But I bet people will still get it by the motherload, dedicated servers or not.

Just to repeat a question I had a while ago, is there anything that affect the console versions. I saw that Xbox live party modes are now not allowed, is this true?

Gone Gonzo
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Not sure what ther guy hopes to achieve, but I can't help but feel happy for him.

Anonymous Source
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maddawg IAJI:
Well at least he put his money where his mouth is.

I suppose that he'll just miss out on a great game though.

Why should he miss out?
He can rent the game for singleplayer.
The multiplayer will suck because there are no dedicated servers.
The latency and the interpolation and prediction on console multiplayer
cannot be tolerated by someone who is used to play on his fav. dedicated server
with a lateny of 20-30ms also they took ALL skill out of that game...so why bother?
The next real PC Shooter is always on its way :-)
(I have a PC a Xbox and a PS3 - so you just know, that I know what I am talking about)

Greetings

Muckraker
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Well, talk about "talking with your wallet." The REAL reason the guy did it, of course, is quite simply this: so that it would be reported on gaming news sites like The Escapist and draw attention to exactly HOW pissed off PC gamers are about all this bullshit. "Look at this, this guy would prefer to give his money away to another developer than buy MW2!" THAT'S effective publicity for your cause!

By the way, if you're thinking that this is a waste of money and the guy's an idiot, you might want to think again. Assuming DICE aren't completely stupid, there's a VERY good chance that when Bad Company 2 is complete they'll remember him and send him a complimentary copy, saying he paid for it with this. Think of the good publicity that will result in!

Time Lord
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Chipperz:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Chipperz:
...Why didn't he do something worthwhile, like donate it to Child's Play or the Desert Bus (I BELIEVE that's a charity? Anyone from LRR care to correct/confirm?)?

According to Wiki, "The third marathon run is scheduled to start on November 20th, 2009"

Ah yeah, a donation to Desert Bus is a donation to Child's Play, but with the added bonus of torturing Graham and Simon! :D

Yeah, that's a worthy cause! :D

EDIT - I r did teh reseertch!

And in a letter from the man himself

GrahamS:

The_root_of_all_evil:
I hear the Desert Bus is going for a ride again?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.153765.3704448

It does indeed!
In that thread "Chipperz" refers to Paul as "Simon" for some reason, but apart from that, yes. It's gonna be sweet.

www.desertbus.org

Support the bus :)

Paperboy
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If he was in Australia it would be $89 USD that he would not be paying them. Yep, apparently it costs more to sell games over Steam to Australia then it does to the US.

Muckraker
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park92:
DICE should make a battlefield 2 except with bad company graphics and the ability to blow up almost everything and BFBC only has 24 players for PC so MW2 is still better

How many people you have on a map is trivial. Bad Company still felt insane even with only 24 players.

And how is MW2 better if Bad Company only has 24 players? MW2 has 9v9. 9+9=18.

Beat Writer
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Spygon:
i still cant see why there was more of an uproar over the lack of dedicated servers than to the price hike.I know it only effects the uk at the moment but doesnt anybody else see where this will end.

Is that IW just bringing the price up an extra 10 quid because they can?

OT: Suppose he's rather annoyed then, I'm sorta 'meh' bout the whole thing but I suppose if he's that annoyed why not =D

Press Junketeer
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Furburt:
Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'

TIME TO DIG UP MY KEYBOARD OF WAR.
MAY THE GODS OF NERD RAGE BE ON OUR SIDE.

Beat Writer
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Jonny49:

park92:
DICE should make a battlefield 2 except with bad company graphics and the ability to blow up almost everything and BFBC only has 24 players for PC so MW2 is still better

How many people you have on a map is trivial. Bad Company still felt insane even with only 24 players.

And how is MW2 better if Bad Company only has 24 players? MW2 has 9v9. 9+9=18.

Havent played it on pc yet but I think they can have more players if I remember one of my friends right.

Gone Gonzo
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Doktor Merkwurdigliebe:

Furburt:
Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'

TIME TO DIG UP MY KEYBOARD OF WAR.

LET LOOSE THE OLD MUFFIN CRUMBS OF DESTINY!

Gone Gonzo
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I've noticed something, a lot of console playing types have been accusing me and other PC gamers about being petty for having to share consoles lack of dedicated servers. I was beginning to think that we are a bunch of elitists, but then I remembered the fuss that the consolers kicked up when they were forced to install Devil May Cry 4 on the PS3. See? Doesn't feel so good sharing our problems does it? Dedicated servers please.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Pre-Ordered BFBC2 for PC.

Limited Edition is the same price if you pre-order.

DICE were originally modders (made the Desert Combat mod for BF1942) so they understand the PC community.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Furburt:
I've noticed something, a lot of console playing types have been accusing me and other PC gamers about being petty for having to share consoles lack of dedicated servers. I was beginning to think that we are a bunch of elitists, but then I remembered the fuss that the consolers kicked up when they were forced to install Devil May Cry 4 on the PS3. See? Doesn't feel so good sharing our problems does it? Dedicated servers please.

I own all 3 consoles and a gaming PC. I think the people who complain about PC gamers being upset don't PC game and are angry that some1 is suggesting that they cant get as good an experience on a console.

Some games work well on consoles. FPS isn't one of them.

Genre -> Prefered Platform

Fighting Games -> Console
Sports Games -> Console
Racing Games -> Console and PC
FPS Games -> PC
RPG Games -> Console & PC
RTS Games -> PC
MMO Games -> PC
Action Platformer games -> Console
Puzzle Games -> Console and PC
Card Games -> Console and PC

Press Junketeer
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Arcadic:

MGlBlaze:

I found the multiplayer in CoD4 to be somewhat... broken. Shooting a guy 5 times with stopping power only to have him shoot you twice with a weaker weapon and you die, no lag compensation, 'noobtube', nadespam, the fact that almost NO-ONE talks at all or even seems to own a mic... yeah...

And this is exactly the reason us PC gamers are so up in arms over the servers. With Dedicated Servers, we can BAN or KICK those who nadespam, restrict the use of noobtubes, have a properly calibrated ping, and most PC gamers use their mics or type in between lives. The stopping power crap is independent of that, and is more of a patch issue.

They lost my sale for sure. As a Clan Gamer, i always play on 3-4 servers that play by rules i enjoy. I enjoy community with my games as well as competitive play. MW2 kills all I enjoy about PC gaming before i even open the box. Thanks for saving me 60 bucks yet again Activision.

I agree, but a fair amount of servers I visited didn't do anything about it... maybe I juts picked bad servers.

Although as far as ping goes, it's usually me who has a really bad ping. It's because of where I live; my ping can get over 1000 or 2000, especially if my siblings are using the Internet a lot. It's far more manageable when they aren't on the Internet too, but... well, sod's law ensures they always pick the worst time to start going on youtube or other sites. =/

Although my kind of lag is the kind that makes it nearly impossible for ME to move and shoot, so when I lag I often die without even knowing what hit me. It gets... frustrating. Especially since it happens all the time and I've had to 'deal with it' so long.

Although, oddly enough, the broken multi-player problems often happen when my ping is FINE. Well, it may not actually be fine; I guess when your ping can go over 2000, a ping of 100-200 or so doesn't seem so bad.

Beat Writer
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i think i'd rather have bought their game XD but yes fine gesture!

Captain_Caveman:
Pre-Ordered BFBC2 for PC.

Limited Edition is the same price if you pre-order.

DICE were originally modders (made the Desert Combat mod for BF1942) so they understand the PC community.

DICE was the original Developers of BF1942 (not modders), they hired the guys behind Desert Combat to help make BF2 FYI <.<

Gone Gonzo
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The_root_of_all_evil:

Chipperz:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Chipperz:
...Why didn't he do something worthwhile, like donate it to Child's Play or the Desert Bus (I BELIEVE that's a charity? Anyone from LRR care to correct/confirm?)?

According to Wiki, "The third marathon run is scheduled to start on November 20th, 2009"

Ah yeah, a donation to Desert Bus is a donation to Child's Play, but with the added bonus of torturing Graham and Simon! :D

Yeah, that's a worthy cause! :D

EDIT - I r did teh reseertch!

And in a letter from the man himself

GrahamS:

The_root_of_all_evil:
I hear the Desert Bus is going for a ride again?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.153765.3704448

It does indeed!
In that thread "Chipperz" refers to Paul as "Simon" for some reason, but apart from that, yes. It's gonna be sweet.

www.desertbus.org

Support the bus :)

Gaaaaaaaaaaaah Graham and Simon are two of my mates from college! I, of course, meant Graham and Paul. It was late, I'm tired, and I'm an idiot.

Editing now...

Press Junketeer
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Schnippshly:
Console gamer reads news post, helps further cement the notion that console gamers are idiotic douchebags

Fixed it for you.

Press Junketeer
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Good on him!

Press Junketeer
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I just hope BF: BC 2 will be as good as the first.

Gone Gonzo
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This just in, Eddies investment makes no difference to game development. Infinity Ward shocked.

Gone Gonzo
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TheRealCJ:

Schnippshly:
Console gamer reads news post, helps further cement the notion that console gamers are idiotic douchebags

Fixed it for you.

Surely such an argumentative generalisation proves idiocy on your behalf.

Muckraker
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Woem:

LoopyDood:

DICE, the studio behind Battlefield: Bad Company 2... promised that it would never turn its back on loyal PC gamers.

I would like to direct your attention to the PC version of Battlefield: Bad Company 1.

Wait, I can't find it...

Funny enough, you are right. There only seems to be a P3 and Xbox360 version. I'm confused now.

Nope, there's no PC version. Thanks, DICE.

ratix2:

LoopyDood:

DICE, the studio behind Battlefield: Bad Company 2... promised that it would never turn its back on loyal PC gamers.

I would like to direct your attention to the PC version of Battlefield: Bad Company 1.

Wait, I can't find it...

who says the fact that there was no pc version is a bad thing? honestly, probably the only reason i actually liked bad company is because im a whore for the battlefield games. its mp is good, but nowhere near as good as previous battlefield games, and the single player absolutely sucked.

A bad game is better than no game at all. There was a lot of controversy over the decision to not make it for PC.

Gone Gonzo
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Well good for him, he stands up for what he believes in.

Anarchy In Detroit:

Furburt:
Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'

No we won't impale your head on a stick. We'll use our superior hand eye coordination and the faster reaction time of a key board and mouse to spawn camp the console gamers. They will all quit, ask mom for a ride to Gamestop, and cry whilst stamping their feet.

Oh, I just beat the console gamers over the head with my keyboard. Is that still acceptable?

Press Junketeer
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stinkychops:

TheRealCJ:

Schnippshly:
Console gamer reads news post, helps further cement the notion that console gamers are idiotic douchebags

Fixed it for you.

Surely such an argumentative generalisation proves idiocy on your behalf.

More, or less idiotic than coming into a PC-related article to let everyone know that you don't care, because "I'm a console gamer hurr".

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