Furburt: Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'
TIME TO DIG UP MY KEYBOARD OF WAR. MAY THE GODS OF NERD RAGE BE ON OUR SIDE.
Goddamn, now I'm imagining a keyboard that has a battleaxe head on one side.
Malygris: Rumors that DICE actually intends to use the money to buy a pack of smokes and a couple cases of beer remain unconfirmed, but no matter how it gets blown, it was a damn fine gesture and I tip my hat to you, Eddie. Well played, sir. Well played.
I'm just guessing here, but it would appear that you too are annoyed at Infinity Ward for dropping dedicated servers on the PC version of MW2?
Personally I think that not only is the guy an idiot for this gesture, but he's making a mountain out of a molehill, and for no reason. I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. I just can't be bothered with it. If console gamers can get by without a dedicated server on their games, then why do we need to have dedicated servers for PC games that are almost exactly the same in all other respects? There isn't any need. The peer-to-peer functions work just as well as dedicated servers, and when you're actually in the game you'll be playing the same way whether or not you use a dedicated server. Thus it doesn't make much difference in the end which you use. There isn't any need for this fuss over the subject. However, I doubt we've seen the last of this. After all, it seems recently that any time a company makes even the slightest change in the way they develop their games, all hell breaks loose, usually for no reason at all. Now, is anyone up for a game of the L4D2 demo? :)
[...] I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. [...]
You do not own a gaming PC or you do not play online with ypur PC because if you had you would certainly have played on a dedicated server...because they all are dedicated servers. Perhaps you pirate all your games so you can only use hamachi or something similar but that misses the point. (another explanation is you simply do not know what a dedicated server is...)
[...] I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. [...]
You do not own a gaming PC or you do not play online with ypur PC because if you had you would certainly have played on a dedicated server...because they all are dedicated servers. Perhaps you pirate all your games so you can only use hamachi or something similar but that misses the point. (another explanation is you simply do not know what a dedicated server is...)
Greetings
I usually set up servers myself, or I play LAN. My housemates aren't gamers much, but a couple of the guys do occasionally like to play a few rounds of Total War or Halo or Dawn of War or the like. So yes, I do play online. I understand that playing a LAN game isn't the same as actually playing online, but still, I do understand the definition of a dedicated server. Anyway, I usually play peer to peer where possible. There are still games that are online that let you do that on PC, apart from MW2. A good example would be the original Halo, for instance.
MiodekPL: I would do the same, but I never intended on buying MW 2. I'm really interested in BC 2 though, so that's where I sink my money :)
HELL YEAH! THAT game looks awesome, and at least DICE is trying to tide over the PC community before BF3. though I am slightly disappointed by the likely lake of mod tools in BC2, i don't think it could even run on my medium PC, so I'm grabbing it for the 360, which will also HAVE DEDICATED SERVERS SO IT CAN HAVE MORE THAN A PALTRY 16 PLAYERS
[...] I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. [...]
You do not own a gaming PC or you do not play online with ypur PC because if you had you would certainly have played on a dedicated server...because they all are dedicated servers. Perhaps you pirate all your games so you can only use hamachi or something similar but that misses the point. (another explanation is you simply do not know what a dedicated server is...)
Greetings
I usually set up servers myself, or I play LAN. My housemates aren't gamers much, but a couple of the guys do occasionally like to play a few rounds of Total War or Halo or Dawn of War or the like. So yes, I do play online. I understand that playing a LAN game isn't the same as actually playing online, but still, I do understand the definition of a dedicated server. Anyway, I usually play peer to peer where possible. There are still games that are online that let you do that on PC, apart from MW2. A good example would be the original Halo, for instance.
LAN=/=online, P2P can work in LAN, but when the rigs get to be far apart, then there WILL BE LAG, but you seem to host most of your stuff anyway... Also, have you EVER PLAYED THE BATTLEFIELD SERIES? THEY ARE BASICALLY ALL DEDICATED SERVERS. in fact, any game with more than about 16 players essentially needs dedicated servers, as household connections are not consistently good enough for more, but it doesn't sound like you like lots of people, so i guess you are (blissfully?) ignorant.
jimtheviking: I'm impressed with Eddie's devotion to his cause. Admittedly, it's a strange cause, but he's devoted to it nonetheless.
Now, I wonder what would happen if everyone who Internet Boycotted or petitioned against a video game did something like this?
We would have Internet Boycotts that actually have greater impact then a reasuring head nod and a "promise" that what the dev is doing wont screw the game completely.
This is diehard boycotting at its finest. I love it. Form a community and hold the money that would go to the dev hostage. I sugest writing letters as the money telling the dev how much money misses them.
[...] I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. [...]
You do not own a gaming PC or you do not play online with ypur PC because if you had you would certainly have played on a dedicated server...because they all are dedicated servers. Perhaps you pirate all your games so you can only use hamachi or something similar but that misses the point. (another explanation is you simply do not know what a dedicated server is...)
Greetings
I usually set up servers myself, or I play LAN. My housemates aren't gamers much, but a couple of the guys do occasionally like to play a few rounds of Total War or Halo or Dawn of War or the like. So yes, I do play online. I understand that playing a LAN game isn't the same as actually playing online, but still, I do understand the definition of a dedicated server. Anyway, I usually play peer to peer where possible. There are still games that are online that let you do that on PC, apart from MW2. A good example would be the original Halo, for instance.
LAN=/=online, P2P can work in LAN, but when the rigs get to be far apart, then there WILL BE LAG, but you seem to host most of your stuff anyway... Also, have you EVER PLAYED THE BATTLEFIELD SERIES? THEY ARE BASICALLY ALL DEDICATED SERVERS. in fact, any game with more than about 16 players essentially needs dedicated servers, as household connections are not consistently good enough for more, but it doesn't sound like you like lots of people, so i guess you are (blissfully?) ignorant.
All of my games are indeed 16 player or less. However, this isn't to say that I don't like the idea of playing with lots of people, or indeed dedicated servers themselves. I don't mind them, and if I'm playing a game where I have to use a dedicated server then I'll use dedicated servers, by all means. I simply prefer P2P. No particular reason for it, it's like me saying I prefer choc-chip cookies to ginger snaps. There isn't a particular reason (for the record, I actually prefer ginger snaps). But as it happens, I do want to start playing games in the Battlefield series, but I simply don't have the money right now to buy any of those games. I'd be happy to play dedicated servers though, and I never actually said that I wouldn't play them. I simply prefer P2P. The idea of 64-player online deathmatches, however, definitely appeals to me (I'll take down all those suckers with my trusty sniper rifle ;D).
Kudos to the man. It doesn't matter where he spent his money to. What matters is that he said a big "fuck you, no more" on Activision/Infinity Ward for their dick moves.
DICE, the studio behind Battlefield: Bad Company 2... promised that it would never turn its back on loyal PC gamers.
I would like to direct your attention to the PC version of Battlefield: Bad Company 1.
Wait, I can't find it...
who says the fact that there was no pc version is a bad thing? honestly, probably the only reason i actually liked bad company is because im a whore for the battlefield games. its mp is good, but nowhere near as good as previous battlefield games, and the single player absolutely sucked.
A bad game is better than no game at all. There was a lot of controversy over the decision to not make it for PC.
i do have to disagree there. if its a bad game whats the point of playing it? and if theres no point in playing it then whats the point of it being released? battlefied 2 and 2142 still have quite sizable communities (bf2 especially) and are both much better than bad company was. for any fans of the battlefield games theres not much point in it being released for the pc when two of its predecessors that are much better still have a lot of players (id add in bf1942 and its expansions but their player bases arent that big, still not hard to find servers though). this isnt even going into the mods available for bf2 and 1942.
i was pretty pissed when they said bad company wouldnt be coming out for the pc, but in retrospect i really dont see any need for it to have come out on the pc.
[...] I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. [...]
You do not own a gaming PC or you do not play online with ypur PC because if you had you would certainly have played on a dedicated server...because they all are dedicated servers. Perhaps you pirate all your games so you can only use hamachi or something similar but that misses the point. (another explanation is you simply do not know what a dedicated server is...)
Greetings
I usually set up servers myself, or I play LAN. My housemates aren't gamers much, but a couple of the guys do occasionally like to play a few rounds of Total War or Halo or Dawn of War or the like. So yes, I do play online. I understand that playing a LAN game isn't the same as actually playing online, but still, I do understand the definition of a dedicated server. Anyway, I usually play peer to peer where possible. There are still games that are online that let you do that on PC, apart from MW2. A good example would be the original Halo, for instance.
LAN=/=online, P2P can work in LAN, but when the rigs get to be far apart, then there WILL BE LAG, but you seem to host most of your stuff anyway... Also, have you EVER PLAYED THE BATTLEFIELD SERIES? THEY ARE BASICALLY ALL DEDICATED SERVERS. in fact, any game with more than about 16 players essentially needs dedicated servers, as household connections are not consistently good enough for more, but it doesn't sound like you like lots of people, so i guess you are (blissfully?) ignorant.
All of my games are indeed 16 player or less. However, this isn't to say that I don't like the idea of playing with lots of people, or indeed dedicated servers themselves. I don't mind them, and if I'm playing a game where I have to use a dedicated server then I'll use dedicated servers, by all means. I simply prefer P2P. No particular reason for it, it's like me saying I prefer choc-chip cookies to ginger snaps. There isn't a particular reason (for the record, I actually prefer ginger snaps). But as it happens, I do want to start playing games in the Battlefield series, but I simply don't have the money right now to buy any of those games. I'd be happy to play dedicated servers though, and I never actually said that I wouldn't play them. I simply prefer P2P. The idea of 64-player online deathmatches, however, definitely appeals to me (I'll take down all those suckers with my trusty sniper rifle ;D).
you are very weird player in terms of preferences... ...i suppose the system doesn't hamper anything you like, so your're okay with it, but i LIVE on high population servers, which, as a said in confused partial rage, are impossible via P2P.
DICE, the studio behind Battlefield: Bad Company 2... promised that it would never turn its back on loyal PC gamers.
I would like to direct your attention to the PC version of Battlefield: Bad Company 1.
Wait, I can't find it...
who says the fact that there was no pc version is a bad thing? honestly, probably the only reason i actually liked bad company is because im a whore for the battlefield games. its mp is good, but nowhere near as good as previous battlefield games, and the single player absolutely sucked.
A bad game is better than no game at all. There was a lot of controversy over the decision to not make it for PC.
i do have to disagree there. if its a bad game whats the point of playing it? and if theres no point in playing it then whats the point of it being released? battlefied 2 and 2142 still have quite sizable communities (bf2 especially) and are both much better than bad company was. for any fans of the battlefield games theres not much point in it being released for the pc when two of its predecessors that are much better still have a lot of players (id add in bf1942 and its expansions but their player bases arent that big, still not hard to find servers though). this isnt even going into the mods available for bf2 and 1942.
i was pretty pissed when they said bad company wouldnt be coming out for the pc, but in retrospect i really dont see any need for it to have come out on the pc.
All of this controversy happened post-release, before anyone could decide whether the game was good or not. Are you suggesting that DICE didn't release BFBC for PC because they knew it was a bad game? That they were actually doing us a favour by not releasing it?
My point remains. It's pretty hypocritical of DICE to skip the release of BFBC1 on PC, then promise they'd never turn their backs on PC gamers a year or two later.
Hmm MW2: 9v9, has peer 2 peer BF 12v12, has support for dedicated servers
and if im not wrong some ISP's block P2P traffic (here in Australia), and not to mention the fact we want our low pings and talk to people from our country insted of some random Korean (i jsut picked random country dont rage) joins with a ping of 187 and just warps across the screen due to awsome lag! And most people dont have fast internet in australia meaning all australian based servers will be SH1T
It's one damn function, dedica- wait, let me grab my flameshield real quick... There we go- dedicated servers aren't even that great IMO. Took too long to find a game, whether it was because I didn't like what the server was running or it was full. MW2 is much better off this way.
*YAWN* another Boring thing. So what no dedicated servers. They can choose to have none if they want. Have a online petition and march through the streets. 1 person can make a difference when it comes to things that matter in life, but this doesn't. Over time it will be forgotten.
Malygris: Rumors that DICE actually intends to use the money to buy a pack of smokes and a couple cases of beer remain unconfirmed, but no matter how it gets blown, it was a damn fine gesture and I tip my hat to you, Eddie. Well played, sir. Well played.
I'm just guessing here, but it would appear that you too are annoyed at Infinity Ward for dropping dedicated servers on the PC version of MW2?
Personally I think that not only is the guy an idiot for this gesture, but he's making a mountain out of a molehill, and for no reason. I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. I just can't be bothered with it. If console gamers can get by without a dedicated server on their games, then why do we need to have dedicated servers for PC games that are almost exactly the same in all other respects? There isn't any need. The peer-to-peer functions work just as well as dedicated servers, and when you're actually in the game you'll be playing the same way whether or not you use a dedicated server. Thus it doesn't make much difference in the end which you use. There isn't any need for this fuss over the subject. However, I doubt we've seen the last of this. After all, it seems recently that any time a company makes even the slightest change in the way they develop their games, all hell breaks loose, usually for no reason at all. Now, is anyone up for a game of the L4D2 demo? :)
So you don't mind that a game gets dropped because the host leaves or that when you join a server it's basically a dice roll to see if you get good ping? You also don't like having custom content or mods available? You must also hate the fact that dedicated servers allow you to play with people around the world in a more lag-free environment? I suppose banning cheaters and griefers so you don't play with them is also a stupid idea, right?
I suppose these differences don't really exist in your world, do they?
I usually set up servers myself, or I play LAN. My housemates aren't gamers much, but a couple of the guys do occasionally like to play a few rounds of Total War or Halo or Dawn of War or the like. So yes, I do play online. I understand that playing a LAN game isn't the same as actually playing online, but still, I do understand the definition of a dedicated server. Anyway, I usually play peer to peer where possible. There are still games that are online that let you do that on PC, apart from MW2. A good example would be the original Halo, for instance.
Hi,
I see but the difference is that when you open a localhost based game in your LAN all the people you play with are very near to the host - you will still have the best ping since your input data is relayed directly to the server but your mates will only have a slightly worse latency. If you join a localhost based game over the internet it is a whole new world since now the data from the other clients has to be routed through the internet to your home and then back. Take in account that the way between your home and the first backbone of your provider is the slowest part in the chain. If you all play on a dedicated server which is directly connect to the backbone which is directly wired to the main distribution rings for network traffic (read as fast and with ALOT of bandwith) most people will get more or less the same ping depending on their connection to said provider. If you play on a locally hosted server all people except the host will have a ping based on the connection to their provider and additionally based on the connection to the hosts provider. That results in the host always having the best ping which Infinity Ward claims to counter by interpolation and prediction - which up to now never worked. (You will always feel cheated when you open fire on someone and he just shoots you because sadly the server handles his data first or the prediction/interpolation says he is behind a wall when infact he is already firing at you...)
This is very basically how serving works and why PC gamers do not want to miss adedicated server. laso its the reason why Xbox live costs money because they handle dedicated servers for the online games and on PS3 for example that is up to the company that released the game. (And that is why multiplayer on a PS3 is not as smooth as on a Xbox)
What moron at Activison/Infinity Ward came up with the idea of not suppporting dedicated servers for PC and instead thought localhost was a good idea is beyond me. That person was definately a manager with no knowledge about networking whatsoever...
Malygris: Rumors that DICE actually intends to use the money to buy a pack of smokes and a couple cases of beer remain unconfirmed, but no matter how it gets blown, it was a damn fine gesture and I tip my hat to you, Eddie. Well played, sir. Well played.
I'm just guessing here, but it would appear that you too are annoyed at Infinity Ward for dropping dedicated servers on the PC version of MW2?
Personally I think that not only is the guy an idiot for this gesture, but he's making a mountain out of a molehill, and for no reason. I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. I just can't be bothered with it. If console gamers can get by without a dedicated server on their games, then why do we need to have dedicated servers for PC games that are almost exactly the same in all other respects? There isn't any need. The peer-to-peer functions work just as well as dedicated servers, and when you're actually in the game you'll be playing the same way whether or not you use a dedicated server. Thus it doesn't make much difference in the end which you use. There isn't any need for this fuss over the subject. However, I doubt we've seen the last of this. After all, it seems recently that any time a company makes even the slightest change in the way they develop their games, all hell breaks loose, usually for no reason at all. Now, is anyone up for a game of the L4D2 demo? :)
So you don't mind that a game gets dropped because the host leaves or that when you join a server it's basically a dice roll to see if you get good ping? You also don't like having custom content or mods available? You must also hate the fact that dedicated servers allow you to play with people around the world in a more lag-free environment? I suppose banning cheaters and griefers so you don't play with them is also a stupid idea, right?
I suppose these differences don't really exist in your world, do they?
Image Genius, you, sir or ma'am, have earned my respect. even if you didn't make it, you still found and used it.
Furburt: Us PC gamers are an angry tribe, mistreat us and we'll impale your head on a stick sooner than you can say 'equal experience across all platforms'
Other wise known self entitled whiners who think their better than everyone else.
Or people who aren't stupid enough to settle for downgrades and paying to much money for half a release that takes a few steps back.
Or people who wont take a big "fuck you" to the face.
DICE, the studio behind Battlefield: Bad Company 2... promised that it would never turn its back on loyal PC gamers.
I would like to direct your attention to the PC version of Battlefield: Bad Company 1.
Wait, I can't find it...
who says the fact that there was no pc version is a bad thing? honestly, probably the only reason i actually liked bad company is because im a whore for the battlefield games. its mp is good, but nowhere near as good as previous battlefield games, and the single player absolutely sucked.
A bad game is better than no game at all. There was a lot of controversy over the decision to not make it for PC.
i do have to disagree there. if its a bad game whats the point of playing it? and if theres no point in playing it then whats the point of it being released? battlefied 2 and 2142 still have quite sizable communities (bf2 especially) and are both much better than bad company was. for any fans of the battlefield games theres not much point in it being released for the pc when two of its predecessors that are much better still have a lot of players (id add in bf1942 and its expansions but their player bases arent that big, still not hard to find servers though). this isnt even going into the mods available for bf2 and 1942.
i was pretty pissed when they said bad company wouldnt be coming out for the pc, but in retrospect i really dont see any need for it to have come out on the pc.
All of this controversy happened post-release, before anyone could decide whether the game was good or not. Are you suggesting that DICE didn't release BFBC for PC because they knew it was a bad game? That they were actually doing us a favour by not releasing it?
My point remains. It's pretty hypocritical of DICE to skip the release of BFBC1 on PC, then promise they'd never turn their backs on PC gamers a year or two later.
DICE didn't release BF: BC on PC because they made a console game. Same goes for BF: MW. They wanted to make console games and they did. 1943, BF: BC1 and BF: MW (kinda old now though).
I recall them saying that they had something in mind for PC some time ago. So I'm still living on the hope of a BF3... A real BF with dedicated servers, ranking w/ upgrades and unlockables, 32vs32 (or more?) player matches, some mods and the greatest online FPS gameplay there ever was. I HOPE! I also hope some DICE person was reading this so he'd understand what we really want. Like a super-version of BF2 with Frostbite engine would be awesome... 3 maps or so and a low price tag would be wonderful. Then let the fans have at it and make their own maps.
I have a favor to ask: Will a PC gamer quote this and explain WHY dedicated servers are a good thing and better then peer to peer? I'm not being a smartass, I'm just not a PC gamer, and am curious to know what this is all about.
The Great JT: Way to lose a sale, Infinity Ward. Not that it'll make any difference in the longrun, MW2 is already more popular than Halo 3 at its launch, but I can't help but wonder if this all could've been avoided if you had devoted servers.
Not to mention all the 360 sales they're losing (like mine) due to not supporting Party Chat.
NO Party chat? What is this horseradish bullshit? lol I am going to go get my money back...oh wait...lol didnt pre order it...suckass
Seriously though, they are gonna lose alot of biz that way
Malygris: Rumors that DICE actually intends to use the money to buy a pack of smokes and a couple cases of beer remain unconfirmed, but no matter how it gets blown, it was a damn fine gesture and I tip my hat to you, Eddie. Well played, sir. Well played.
I'm just guessing here, but it would appear that you too are annoyed at Infinity Ward for dropping dedicated servers on the PC version of MW2?
Personally I think that not only is the guy an idiot for this gesture, but he's making a mountain out of a molehill, and for no reason. I happen to be a PC gamer and a console gamer, and I've never used dedicated servers on any of my PC games. I just can't be bothered with it. If console gamers can get by without a dedicated server on their games, then why do we need to have dedicated servers for PC games that are almost exactly the same in all other respects? There isn't any need. The peer-to-peer functions work just as well as dedicated servers, and when you're actually in the game you'll be playing the same way whether or not you use a dedicated server. Thus it doesn't make much difference in the end which you use. There isn't any need for this fuss over the subject. However, I doubt we've seen the last of this. After all, it seems recently that any time a company makes even the slightest change in the way they develop their games, all hell breaks loose, usually for no reason at all. Now, is anyone up for a game of the L4D2 demo? :)
So you don't mind that a game gets dropped because the host leaves or that when you join a server it's basically a dice roll to see if you get good ping? You also don't like having custom content or mods available? You must also hate the fact that dedicated servers allow you to play with people around the world in a more lag-free environment? I suppose banning cheaters and griefers so you don't play with them is also a stupid idea, right?
I suppose these differences don't really exist in your world, do they?
Image Genius, you, sir or ma'am, have earned my respect. even if you didn't make it, you still found and used it.
I still don't get why everyone in a rage over the servers. Deal with it! I'll bring this point up over and over again and I'll say it now, console gamers don't bitch about this sort of thing, you are not fucking entitled to dedicated servers!
It pisses me off to see people taking something for granted that I don't even get in the first place!
It's not that bad, the game is still perfectly playable. You just have the equivalant of a console servers. I think the PC elitists just don't like it because they now can't brag about their best selling games being superior.
DISCLAIMER:
Am I not saying all PC gamers are like this I just know a few that are like that.
I would do the same, but I never intended on buying MW 2. I'm really interested in BC 2 though, so that's where I sink my money :)