Trust me im from brazil, the ban against violent games it the least of their worries

Squid94:
Is this the beginning of a gaming revolution, inwhich violent games will be banned worldwide?

I wouldn't count on that. Chavez has such a bad reputation in the international community that this could actually be used as an example of what not to do (you know, like a reductio ad Hitlerum)

Oh yeah, 'cause the rampant crime, water shortages, military dictatorship, and wide-spread poverty have absolutely nothing to do with an upsurge in violence. It's gotta be the video games.

Steelfists:
Chavez is what some conservatives think Obama is.

haha. That made me laugh, only because people actually believe things like that.

Powerman88:

Furburt:
Damn it, I really thought Hugo Chavez was improving things. He is dead to me now, dead!

Dude are you crazy? The guy is a COMMUNIST (not to be confused with socialist which is marginally better, but not much) DICTATOR. He wants to control the population, the economy, and the military with an iron fist and he, through his words and actions, has demonstrated he does not believe in personal freedoms. He has seized power, killed and alienated any opposition, and made Venezuela a great example of why too much government control is bad for everyone.

He isn't communist, he is socialist. There is a difference between the two.

I'd point out the irony here, but I'm not gonna.

Something tells me that the average family in Venezuela are more worried about surviving day to day than games.

They use their hard earned money on more important things, like food.

And besides, if they want games, they'll just pirate them, since most people there probably do that anyway.

An intro to what you need to know about Hugo Chavez
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8180109.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7829920.stm
These aren't news articles from American "Fox News", these are from the BBC which generally leans a lot to the left. Hugo Chavez is a guy who has routinely used corruption and military might to grab power over his people.

I really dislike political discussions online (especially in video game forums), but I have a problem with socialism because I don't like giving a small group of people complete control over the masses. I personally believe that it is governments role to protect its people militarily and economically, and whether people succeed or fail is up to them.

Wait a minute. A crime-ridden country is making violent games a crime?

I think they're actually advocating it by accident.

Ah-hah!... Scapegoat.

This couldn't possibly be a shitty government presiding over a gangland trying to find an out for their responsibility to the people, could it?

Chavez is actually stupid enough to think that with Mercenaries 2, The US started a campaign that was supposed to influence people into thinking that Venezuela (and Chavez's government) is full of terrorists...
Yeah, 'cause people get all their facts from games.
Chavez is just a paranoid chicken-shit... He goes on and on about how USA wants him dead and bla bla bla... Everybody wants him dead, mind you. But get real... If anybody REALLY wanted to kill him they would already have, there have been incidents where people come close to him mid-speech and kiss him and shit. His security is not all that tight.
But yeah, Ban on violent videogames on a country with the most corruption, ransoms and uncentensed car robberies, where the laws now protect the criminal... Thats gonna fix a lot.

tk1989:

Steelfists:
Chavez is what some conservatives think Obama is.

haha. That made me laugh, only because people actually believe things like that.

Powerman88:

Furburt:
Damn it, I really thought Hugo Chavez was improving things. He is dead to me now, dead!

Dude are you crazy? The guy is a COMMUNIST (not to be confused with socialist which is marginally better, but not much) DICTATOR. He wants to control the population, the economy, and the military with an iron fist and he, through his words and actions, has demonstrated he does not believe in personal freedoms. He has seized power, killed and alienated any opposition, and made Venezuela a great example of why too much government control is bad for everyone.

He isn't communist, he is socialist. There is a difference between the two.

He is a communist, he might talk crap forever and ever.. but look at all his major economical moves, he's a commie alright.

Yet another reason I'm happy my stepfamily got out.

...Yes, I have step family from South America.

samsonguy920:
In fact I have yet to find an example of socialism in action where people weren't killed for their beliefs, where a minor group of people became the real power(which socialism isn't about), and that country quickly became unpopular in the international standing.

See I love comments like this because I get to point at England in the 1970s and 1980s because, in the midst of economic problems, they adopted many socialist policies and pulled themselves out of it. Without purging people. An idealistic application of any government system is bad because it won't work. The key lies in integrating elements from various systems to find a mix that does work. People have to stop dealing in absolutes (I'm looking at you, GOP)

Anyway back to Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is a dangerous and/or crazy man. People seem to forget he tried to seize power through a coup before he realized he could just trick idiots into voting for him.

AceDiamond:
See I love comments like this because I get to point at England in the 1970s and 1980s because, in the midst of economic problems, they adopted many socialist policies and pulled themselves out of it. Without purging people.

True dat, but they did adopt just certain policies, they didn't use the whole book.

AceDiamond:
An idealistic application of any government system is bad because it won't work. The key lies in integrating elements from various systems to find a mix that does work. People have to stop dealing in absolutes (I'm looking at you, GOP)

You point out the GOP for good reason, since right now we see the White House taking some pages from the socialist book, with health care and economic reform. And the GOP is making out like it's a bad idea(Why? Because the companies that have been keeping them in office are getting shafted by the new policies. And I say YaY!)My argument is pure socialism is a nice idea, but to this day anybody that has applied the entire form, has only looked at it as a convenient guideline, and people got screwed.

AceDiamond:
Anyway back to Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is a dangerous and/or crazy man. People seem to forget he tried to seize power through a coup before he realized he could just trick idiots into voting for him.

Yeah, he just followed in Fidel Castro's footsteps. The guy can't even be original.

samsonguy920:

AceDiamond:
An idealistic application of any government system is bad because it won't work. The key lies in integrating elements from various systems to find a mix that does work. People have to stop dealing in absolutes (I'm looking at you, GOP)

You point out the GOP for good reason, since right now we see the White House taking some pages from the socialist book, with health care and economic reform. And the GOP is making out like it's a bad idea(Why? Because the companies that have been keeping them in office are getting shafted by the new policies. And I say YaY!)My argument is pure socialism is a nice idea, but to this day anybody that has applied the entire form, has only looked at it as a convenient guideline, and people got screwed.

Well I was agreeing with you to a degree. I'm saying we can't have a system, government or economic that's entirely like one specific theory because of the problems inherent with each system, thus necessitating the combination of ideas from various concepts.

They're just mad about Mercenaries 2. But seriously, folks, anything out of Hugo's face is comedy gold, and this is no exception. He's like Mugabe: off his nut, but too underequipped to be considered a threat.

Sucks for Venezuelan gamers, though.

Well, if there's still any violence in the country afterwards, we have proof to those "games cause violence" morons over here that it's all utter bull :)

I wonder what hilariously none violent games are going to be classed as violent. Super smash brothers maybe?

AceDiamond:

samsonguy920:

AceDiamond:
An idealistic application of any government system is bad because it won't work. The key lies in integrating elements from various systems to find a mix that does work. People have to stop dealing in absolutes (I'm looking at you, GOP)

You point out the GOP for good reason, since right now we see the White House taking some pages from the socialist book, with health care and economic reform. And the GOP is making out like it's a bad idea(Why? Because the companies that have been keeping them in office are getting shafted by the new policies. And I say YaY!)My argument is pure socialism is a nice idea, but to this day anybody that has applied the entire form, has only looked at it as a convenient guideline, and people got screwed.

Well I was agreeing with you to a degree. I'm saying we can't have a system, government or economic that's entirely like one specific theory because of the problems inherent with each system, thus necessitating the combination of ideas from various concepts.

Which is why the US was founded with both republic and democratic foundations.

Really? Do they think that banning video games from the entire country will actually stop, or at least decrease the amount of violence in Venezuela? Video games are an artistic tool used to express stories and creativity. And they even help relieve stress from time to time.

The only thing causing violence, is the fact that kids are being raised in violence. Start raising kids to not turn to violence. Raise them to show that its wrong, and maybe, just maybe, violence will decrease in that country.

But who am I kiddning. Politicians are stupid. They can't connect with real people, so how can we expect them to understand how people actually operate?

This will work in the favor of video games, since it will be great evidence, it wont make a difference, shoving absolutely no correlation between playing violent video games, and being a violent criminal.

samsonguy920:

AceDiamond:
Anyway back to Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is a dangerous and/or crazy man. People seem to forget he tried to seize power through a coup before he realized he could just trick idiots into voting for him.

Yeah, he just followed in Fidel Castro's footsteps. The guy can't even be original.

And even then Hitler used the same method. Though I'd wager that Hugo Chavez is more just a cry-baby dictator than an a Magnificent Bastard dictator.

Things like this in the news, in all honesty, make me laugh about the widespread influence of human stupidity and ignorance in society.

Maybe not living around violent leftists in Venezuela would make them less violent.

Chavez needs a good beating. I bet he just banned them because of Mercs 2.