Modern Warfare 2 Recalled in Russia

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Lord_Gremlin:
Anyway. The point is - have you ever seen a Russian terrorist? You know, not some southern nations, which was once parts of USSR and now feel offended for no apparent reason, but a truly Russian terrorist? IW basically made it all up. And that pisses people off here. Russians have never organized terrorist acts.

Don't be so ignorant. Most every country has terrorists (if not all).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia

The point is: It's a video game. If you're so detached from reality that you take things like this to heart, that's fine for you. Don't buy or play the game. But don't try and make a big deal about it or try and deny an enjoyable game from people who are mature enough to realize they're using a controller/mouse to virtually "kill" a bunch pixels in a shape of people, not murdering real people.

Journeythroughhell:
I have grown to hate our gamers.
Every forum states exactly the same "Fucking Americans. Again we are the bad guys. It is right that the game was banned."
I am so not proud to be a russian gamer right now.

I am so not proud that you're a Russian gamer too. Bad guys are international in MW2 but IW completely made up this this terrorist thing, that's the problem. Read my British example above.

Lord_Gremlin:

flaming_squirrel:
Your tears fuel my airport killing spree.

Why do you think I'm crying?;) I'm just getting angry. It's Russian habit - we remain silent until we're really pissed off. And when we're really pissed... You ever heard what happened to Napoleon? He was pretty much successful. But then he pissed off us.

No, it was a dumb move by Napoleon to stay in Russia during the winter. The smartest thing the Russian's did was use the scorched earth policy. And the Russians didn't even do it first. It was the Portuguese who recommended the Russians to do that.

Lord_Gremlin:

Spitfire175:

The fact that Russians are whining about this is odd, since, I think, they are the bad guys in pretty much every American game they're in.

Fixed.

Spitfire175:

There really are terrorists in Russia who kill Russians(the terrorists may be thetzenian or any other of the hundreds of minorities living in Russia).

Imagine a game, where British terrorists brutally murder British civilians. You know, stereotypical British, first they drink tea with cookies and then gear up and start mass murder. What? There are terrorists in GB. Oh, they're not British? And "thetzenian" are not Russian. Now you understand?

My my, you are an angry one, aren't you?
First off, I had to make a genralistion about games that involve Russians. Or can you name games that potray Russians as the good guys? Other that Stalin vs. Martians?

Did MW2 actually tell aything about Makarov's origins? Was he a stereotypical Russian? I think not. British terrorists, eh? They have home grown ones and The IRA just next door.

If you bother to read carfully, I indeed said "thetzenian" are not Russian, I don't understand why you repeat what I said? They are a minority that demands independence, I do very well know that. It's not unheard of someone killing citizens of his own country in an act of terrorism, why should Russia be so much different? Because "it's Russia"? How very short sighted and selfish. If Makarov kills civilians, he isn't exactly a frontman for the nation/people, is he? He works for money and power, not just "because he's Russian". And then there's the thing that (in MW2) the Russian goverment was overthrown by the ultranationalists(so it would seem, as Zakahev was made into a hero, at least that's how I saw it, don't crucify me if it's not so), so one could interpert the scene and its origins so that it is possible only because the real goverment was not in power anymore. Wouldn't that be a homage to Putin?

Calm down, getting angry gets you nowhere.

ChaosGenesis:
Don't be so ignorant. Most every country has terrorists (if not all).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia

Oh my. You actually mentioned those terrorist acts. Against Tsar/Emperor. Why not remember the times when Germans were barbarians? OK, there are no Russian terrorists in modern Russia - now it's clear, I hope?
You know, I see you don't care how your people are portrait-ed in videogames, movies, books? You can always say - that's just pixels/dvd video/paper. But it is something, shown to millions. Millions of - let's be honest - mostly ignorant and stupid people. Who will buy "da best shooter game dis year" and then they go one "Russian? Ya, those are terrorists! They kill other Russian".

baseracer:

Lord_Gremlin:

flaming_squirrel:
Your tears fuel my airport killing spree.

Why do you think I'm crying?;) I'm just getting angry. It's Russian habit - we remain silent until we're really pissed off. And when we're really pissed... You ever heard what happened to Napoleon? He was pretty much successful. But then he pissed off us.

No, it was a dumb move by Napoleon to stay in Russia during the winter. The smartest thing the Russian's did was use the scorched earth policy. And the Russians didn't even do it first. It was the Portuguese who recommended the Russians to do that.

It's Russia's greatest weapon, General winter that has saved their hides from the western European dictators. Until that, they get their arses handed back to them.

Lord_Gremlin:

Journeythroughhell:
I have grown to hate our gamers.
Every forum states exactly the same "Fucking Americans. Again we are the bad guys. It is right that the game was banned."
I am so not proud to be a russian gamer right now.

I am so not proud that you're a Russian gamer too. Bad guys are international in MW2 but IW completely made up this this terrorist thing, that's the problem. Read my British example above.

Your retarded hooray-patriotism saddens me. Terrorists don't have a nationality. It doesn't matter if they are arabic, chinese, russian, hell, american.
Stereotype my ass, if you're so easily offended, then you're not being patriotic, you're being stupid. Your words make no sense.

Spitfire175:

If you bother to read carfully, I indeed said "thetzenian" are not Russian, I don't understand why you repeat what I said? They are a minority that demands independence, I do very well know that. It's not unheard of someone killing citizens of his own country in an act of terrorism, why should Russia be so much different? Because "it's Russia"? How very short sighted and selfish. If Makarov kills civilians, he isn't exactly a frontman for the nation/people, is he? He works for money and power, not just "because he's Russian". And then there's the thing that (in MW2) the Russian goverment was overthrown by the ultranationalists(so it would seem, as Zakahev was made into a hero, at least that's how I saw it, don't crucify me if it's not so), so one could interpert the scene and its origins so that it is possible only because the real goverment was not in power anymore. Wouldn't that be a homage to Putin?

Calm down, getting angry gets you nowhere.

Look, if all people who's gonna buy this game were as smart and intelligent as you are, then there would have been no need for bans or censorship at all.

I can't say I am too surprised, at least they have a better reason than about 95% of Australia's bans

Lord_Gremlin:

MGlBlaze:

Although I haven't played the game myself (I'm one of the 17 or so people ACTUALLY boycotting it), if there are other things there that obviously are meant to appeal to an exclusively American audience, then the outcry becomes far more justified.

I'm also boycotting this game. So, it's 18 people total - rejoice, brother!
Anyway. The point is - have you ever seen a Russian terrorist? You know, not some southern nations, which was once parts of USSR and now feel offended for no apparent reason, but a truly Russian terrorist? IW basically made it all up. And that pisses people off here. Russians have never organized terrorist acts. But since some people here still actually think WE attacked Georgia... Perhaps you think we're all drunkards and communists.

No, out of all the terrorists I have personally seen, none of the zero of them were Russian.

Since I doubt you have seen too many terrorists personally, I am assuming you are basing this stereotypical and false view on games and movies and TV shows

mikecoulter:
That's pretty pathetic Russia. I thought you were badass. :(

Don't worry. They still are.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-manliest-images-on-the-internet/

Number six.

I was actually just lying in my bath today, whilst replaying the games astonishing 3rd act in my head, thinking, "How are the Russians going to react to this game?"

It seems they took the easy way out.

Dear god, get a sense of humour. If a film did this then it'd be ok. But no... just because it's a game means we all have to get in a bit of a tizzy.

For the record, I played this scene and felt god awful for doing it. But then my brother played it and he felt great so I'm not sure if that says more about me or my family.

Journeythroughhell:
Your retarded hooray-patriotism saddens me. Terrorists don't have a nationality. It doesn't matter if they are arabic, chinese, russian, hell, american.
Stereotype my ass, if you're so easily offended, then you're not being patriotic, you're being stupid. Your words make no sense.

MW2 is actually the only game that offends me. My good sire, if only all common people understood that terrorists have no nation... But they don't understand. And that's why we still have to ban things in XXI century.

Lord_Gremlin:
But it is something, shown to millions. Millions of - let's be honest - mostly ignorant and stupid people. Who will buy "da best shooter game dis year" and then they go one "Russian? Ya, those are terrorists! They kill other Russian".

You got me there.
Maybe we need a new rating system for people buying video games. Loosen the age restrictions and instead implement a "How stupid and ignorant are you?" system.

I know from personal experience that Russians are VERY patriotic. Like Fox News patriotic.

I suppose all the Yakov Smirnov jokes don't help much either.

Rahnzan:
Wait...wait.

Didn't Russia invade Georgia for little to no reason a while ago?

Your point is?

Lord_Gremlin:

MGlBlaze:

Although I haven't played the game myself (I'm one of the 17 or so people ACTUALLY boycotting it), if there are other things there that obviously are meant to appeal to an exclusively American audience, then the outcry becomes far more justified.

I'm also boycotting this game. So, it's 18 people total - rejoice, brother!
Anyway. The point is - have you ever seen a Russian terrorist? You know, not some southern nations, which was once parts of USSR and now feel offended for no apparent reason, but a truly Russian terrorist? IW basically made it all up. And that pisses people off here. Russians have never organized terrorist acts. But since some people here still actually think WE attacked Georgia... Perhaps you think we're all drunkards and communists.

It's nice to see that there are others genuinely boycotting MW2. I still don't know what IW was thinking when they butchered the PC version's online side and other capabilities... thanks, brother. xD

Anyway; making up some other terrorist faction for a work of fiction is a lot more compelling than using the same old tired Arab/Islamic terrorist model everyone imagines (An example from H.A.W.X. comes to mind where the PMC Artemus Global Security essentially turns terrorist comes to mind), but I admit they could have done it better.

As for the Russia-Georgia thing; I don't really keep up with the news since I find it to mostly be sensationalist bullshit in one way or another, so I don't really have an opinion on the whole thing. I guess that's one way of remaining neutral?

I just try and switch my brain off when it comes to things like this, though, because inevitably there are people who are going to be really biased one way or the other, so I believe that in this case it's just better to try and not argue over it for the most part.

Like I said, though, I haven't played MW2, so I don't know exactly what IW might have done to cause the situation, or what else they included that might somewhat offset things that people are offended about. I'm just going on other people's words, which is in itself a bad idea since people are bout to overstate some things, understate some things, omit details, make shit up, exaggerate... all that lovely stuff that fills me with contempt and makes me very distrustful towards my fellow man in general. Things could be better than they are being made out to be, or they could be worse. I don't know. And if you really are boycotting it, chances are you don't know the situation 100% either. It might not necessarily make you wrong, but there may be something there you don't know about that makes things not quite as bad.

So, until the price drops severely and I actually do decide to buy the damn thing (I guess I'm boycotting it until either IW fix the PC version, or it comes down to budget price); Sometimes it's better to just not think about these things.

That is so damn retarded, you can skip it and even if you decide to go through it for the story you don't even have to shoot at the citizens, I hate stupid people ruining creativity in games.

Lord_Gremlin:

I don't like the Call of Duty series at all. Bullshit story through and through.

Really? A work of fiction is bullshit? Congradulations captain, you've just been promoted to Admiral Obvious. Where in the title do you see "based on actual events"? Why are you making such a hissy fit about it when, again, I've never heard of anyone make a big fuss about the many American deaths potrayed in the first one. But thats not my point, my point is that if you don't like it, don't play it, and to not critisize a work of pure fiction. I'm not offended by the rasist McDonalds commercials in Japan, why should you be offended by a fake pixelated attack that didn't potray any real person.

EDIT: to what you quoted to me.
If you actually played through the level and realized how it contributed to the overal story even you would call it creative, but because you are ignorant to the overal plot you wouldn't know that.

Russia has terrorists. Honestly. People.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

This happened 7 years ago.

Sure, they might not be "Russian," but they live in what is called "Russia." The same way the Armenian terrorists in Turkey live in Turkey, but are Armenian. The same way Muslim terrorists in Serbia live in Serbia but aren't Serbs. They are still terrorists residing in that country.

Stop arguing semantics.

But the point being is, it's a video game. You are portraying an American CIA agent, working deep undercover for a terrorist who is currently working in Russia who was hired by an American general. If that doesn't say more about America than it does about Russia I don't know what to tell you. As an American it tells me that we are an overly militant country where people will go to any and all means to "protect" us by stripping away our civil rights. They do this by playing on our fears, or in extreme cases in Call of Duty or half the Tom Clancy books ever written by creating a war. It's just like 1984, where the people are told they are in perpetual war to CONTROL them. Honestly, I thought the plot for this regarding how it related to CoD4 was stupid as fuck. I thought the story was overly convoluted, and attempted to tell too much far too quickly. It lacked the finesse that we were given in CoD4.

I won't deny the airport scene is purely for, this, the discussion, and the news coverage, and the whole scene that it has caused. It's a business maxim, "There is no such thing as bad publicity." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale) Have you noticed how you don't see heavy advertising on TV? This is why, they don't have to pay anyone to get on TV now.

And what Srkkl or whatever above me said.

And I didn't buy the game either. I'm not buying a PC game when they neutered multiplayer, nor is this game worth 60$ for just the singleplayer.

And anyone who is bitching at Russian invading Georgia, who resides in any "Coalition" country, namely the US or UK, shut the fuck up. We had less reason to invade Iraq, and did so based on lies and deception. Russia was defending South Ossetia, which is seeking independence from Georgia. Sure, Russia was heavy handed in their invasion, but you can't claim we weren't in our invasions either. Pot, meet Kettle.

If nothing else, the game made me feel bad for killing Russians. But when they all handed my ass to me many many MANY times, I stopped caring.

Chaos Marine:
Fuck you IW and Activision

Yep, seen that before. Never underestimate hackers - the truly creative people.

Srkkl:
That is so damn retarded, you can skip it and even if you decide to go through it for the story you don't even have to shoot at the citizens, I hate stupid people ruining creativity in games.

So, all those stupid and ignorant people will skip this scene? I doubt it. And making a disgusting scene which offend people - is not being creative. It's being a douche-bag.

Oh, give it a rest Russia. It's a work of complete fiction with plot holes you can pilot a hind through.

EDIT:

Besides, I found the scene chilling and powerful. Playing into your cover and gunning down civilians because you think it will be for the greater good of bringing down his entire organization - I had to resist the urge to turn the gun on Makarov the entire time, telling myself the civilians were all going to die anyway. It sent chills down my spine the entire time.

No, Russia is doing the right thing. It may not be because of the reasons I want to, but it still is the right thing. I say ban the game everywhere.

Ban it so that Infinity Ward may learn something from it and stop being assholes. It seems their little pathetic stunt to gain publicity is backfiring.

Good.

gilthanan:
But the point being is, it's a video game. You are portraying an American CIA agent, working deep undercover for a terrorist who is currently working in Russia who was hired by an American general. If that doesn't say more about America than it does about Russia I don't know what to tell you. As an American it tells me that we are an overly militant country where people will go to any and all means to "protect" us by stripping away our civil rights.

If you perceive reality through the colored glass of video games, I feel bad for you. And this country, as you may be representative of a larger group.

Truthfully though, you probably view the game through the colored lens of your own politics. I'm pretty sure the American general was out for revenge against the ultranationalists who portrayed Zhakaev as a hero; you know, the guy who nuked 30,000 of his soldiers and an untold number of Middle-Easterners "While the World did nothing".

Sparrow:
To be honest, if America was portrayed in a game as the "bad guys" (Heh, yeah right.) for no real explained reason, YOU'D BE PISSED TOO.

Seriously. Step off of Russia. I'd be pissed if England were terrorists for no explained reason, and so would you.

Are... Are you me? That's pretty much my reaction.

Shepherd was given nuance, abackstory and reasons for doing things. Marakov was given a "he kills shit because he's evil" line and sent out to kill civilians. This means that, let's face it, Americans are portrayed as bad guys in this game for a reason, while Russians are civilian-killing, baby-eating monsters "because they're Commies."

Meh, roll on #3 when a Brit, a Scot and a Russian will slaughter both armies and proclaim Glasgow, London and Dublin (representing all of Ireland, I want the RoI in on it as well!) as the triple-joint capitals of the world, with Cardiff as the admin centre.

Hardcore_gamer:
I have already said this once and i will say it again: Creating that level was a stupid stupid thing to do and it was extremely obvious that something like this would happen as a result. I wander if Infinity award has any common sense in there heads.

Yes, you can talk all you want about how the scene is not offensive and stuff but that's not the point i am trying to make here. The point i am trying to make is that including a level like that in the game is more or less an insurance that it will cause a public outcry and bans, and that's bad for there sales and reputation. But instead Infinity award just ignored common sense and just assumed nobody would care.

Exactly. It's sad that people would get offended, but it's stupid because everyone knew it would happen. IW aren't stupid for having the idea, but to publish it despite how bloody obvious the reaction would be says it all about them.

cobrausn:

gilthanan:
But the point being is, it's a video game. You are portraying an American CIA agent, working deep undercover for a terrorist who is currently working in Russia who was hired by an American general. If that doesn't say more about America than it does about Russia I don't know what to tell you. As an American it tells me that we are an overly militant country where people will go to any and all means to "protect" us by stripping away our civil rights.

If you perceive reality through the colored glass of video games, I feel bad for you. And this country, as you may be representative of a larger group.

Truthfully though, you probably view the game through the colored lens of your own politics. I'm pretty sure the American general was out for revenge against the ultranationalists who portrayed Zhakaev as a hero; you know, the guy who nuked 30,000 of his soldiers and an untold number of Middle-Easterners "While the World did nothing".

While that may be true, video games, writers, and movies often times will have social commentary and a motive behind the stories they tell.

And yes, you are right about Shepard, but with the various CIA scandals and the military-industrial complex that has dominated the country in the past and arguably still today make what Shepard has done easier than it should be, and far more believable from the audiences perspective.

VanityGirl:
It's kind of understandable; to a point. Russia wants the US to look past the Cold War era and move on to a friendlier open relationship where we are free to rely on one another. I'm sure Russia doesn't want to be slandered in any way. Although it can be said "Oh, it's just a video game", it's also the highest selling video game right now. Millions and Millions of people will be paying this and seeing the 'evil Russian terrorists' may reflect a bad light on them.That's how they proably feel.

I for one think the airport scene is interesting and I couldn't actually shoot any civilians. I felt bad, damn guilty feelings. I understand the scene can set the tone for the video game, whch is why I have no problem with it.
I could see how the Russians may have took offense though.

Indeed got the same feeling right after i killed the civilians. I was like "What have i done" feeling. Great work by the developers!

Arent we forgetting the fact that in that "Terminal Massacre" the Russians where being murdered by RUSSIANS.

Thats happens here in America too you know.

shewolf51:
What is this damn airport scene I keep hearing about? I haven't gotten the game yet, so I have no clue what's going on except that the Russians apparently REEEEEEALLY don't like it.

I same here but the i played it! wow i tell ya.....

lol "no russian" FTW! And damn you russia,you used to be cool... Makarov proved that

Lord_Gremlin:

flaming_squirrel:
Your tears fuel my airport killing spree.

Why do you think I'm crying?;) I'm just getting angry. It's Russian habit - we remain silent until we're really pissed off. And when we're really pissed... You ever heard what happened to Napoleon? He was pretty much successful. But then he pissed off us.

Metaphorically you're in floods of tears right now, also stop trying to act like your nation is all 'ard. The Germans had you bent over and were ready for a right spanking until the winter set in.

Rahnzan:
Wait...wait.

Didn't Russia invade Georgia for little to no reason a while ago?

your kidding right? georgia started the offence.

am i wrong?

wootsniper:

Rahnzan:
Wait...wait.

Didn't Russia invade Georgia for little to no reason a while ago?

your kidding right? georgia started the offence.

am i wrong?

Georgia attacked South Osetia. This monster Saakashvili ordered a massacre of a peaceful town. Osetia asked for our help. We agreed and then - Georgia attacked our peacemakers. Why haven't Saakashvili seized his assault when Russia agreed to protect Osetia? Because he's a dumb fuck and a war criminal.

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