Lack Of Nudity in Dragon Age Was Designer's Call

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Lack Of Nudity in Dragon Age Was Designer's Call

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Apparently, Dragon Age: Origins' stilted and awkward pixelated sex was what BioWare was shooting for.

Through interactions with characters in your party, as well as prostitutes, it is currently possible to initiate animated sex scenes in Dragon Age: Origins. During these animations, however, the characters are wearing underwear. In an interview with videogamer.com, BioWare co-founder and CEO Dr. Ray Muzyka claimed that it was the design team's decision to have no nudity during the sex scenes in Dragon Age: Origins.

"It's an artistic choice by the development team," explained Muzyka, who is also the company's cofounder and producer of the classic Baldur's Gate series. "We don't constrain what they do. We don't strive for gratuitous content. But we also ask the teams to choose a direction and then run with it. That was their choice. That's how they wanted to depict the romantic liaisons in the game, so that's what we did."

It is good to know that the decision wasn't handed down from Electronic Arts HQ, and that the designers made the call on their own. In some ways, I agree with the no nudity policy in Dragon Age because it's an RPG and not a cheesy sex simulator. If I wanted that, I would play Leisure Suit Larry.

But if you are going to add the ability to have sex in your role playing game, it needs to feel real and not break immersion. By all accounts, BioWare failed at this in DA:O. I personally haven't gotten to partake in any of the fun of these scenes during my playthrough. But the videos I've seen online do seem to hint at intimacy, with quick edits and low lighting, rather than hardcore sex, which is good. But the weird movements of the animated figures and the fact that their bodies are fully lit, with underwear clearly visible, is a bit laughable.

For my money, game designers at a prestigious company like BioWare should look towards cinema for hints on how to show sex without being too dirty. The low lighting was a good start, but it should look like the tent sex scene in Dances With Wolves between Lt. Dunbar and Stands With A Fist and not like two adults rolling around in their underwear by the fire.

Am I right?

Source: Videogamer

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"It's an artistic choice by the development team,"

Translation: We didn't want to be the next Hot Coffee incident

To be honest they probably would have been better off going with Fable's way of portraying sex. A black screen and random moaning noises, least it leaves something to the imagination.

Maybe its magic underwear in an age before contraceptives?

I have yet to see any of the scenes nor will I watch the videos posted of them, but knowing there is a lack of nudity doesn't phase me in the least as it's just a facet of a great game.

Don't worry. Rule 34 will probably pops it head out by some user mod for the PC.

Although, it would probably be a big "no shit sherlock".

Greg Tito:
The low lighting was a good start, but it should look like the tent sex scene in Dances With Wolves between Lt. Dunbar and Stands With A Fist and not like two adults rolling around in their underwear by the fire.

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Source: Videogamer

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'Stands with a Fist'? Blimey, she must've had practice...

I'm sorry, I had to.

I didn't mind the lack of nudity.
I found the scenes 'fine'. Not 'great', but not really 'bad' either.

KeyMaster45:

To be honest they probably would have been better off going with Fable's way of portraying sex. A black screen and random moaning noises, least it leaves something to the imagination.

Except for a brief introduction, that's what my lass had with her prostitute.

But yeah, DA:O's sex scenes are bad. Real bad. The movements are awkward and painful to look at. The first kiss between my character and Leliana was fine because there was a head blocking what I can only assume was a terrible meating of two pairs of CG lips which are never done right, but the sex scenes are just awful.

I guess the whole Mass Effect scandal made them cautious, which I can understand, but I still felt gipped over. A sex scene like this, but in a movie, would have the audience howling with laughter. Very unsatisfying. (not like that, you perv!)

Fat_Hippo:
I guess the whole Mass Effect scandal made them cautious, which I can understand, but I still felt gipped over. A sex scene like this, but in a movie, would have the audience howling with laughter. Very unsatisfying. (not like that, you perv!)

Yeah they probably didn't want to deal with Fox News again. And really, nobody wants to do that.

And they faded-to-black with the nugs! 'The nugs refuse to look you in the eye.' Poor form and just plain unfair, right?! Right? [listens to the crickets]

Hrm... I may be in the minority here.

Obviously it's MAGIC underwear that when near other MAGIC underwear stimulates the ..erm.. area. :P

DA:O has so much going for it it doesn't need gratuitous sex. It's enough that it's implied.

A really detailed good looking (even if tasteful) sex scene would also seem kind of WTF in a game that is generally not that graphically impressive. Had it been say... Uncharted (and that's not too far fetched...) I would probably have expected it to be more realistic and have more feeling. But Dragon Age is not that kind of game, very few of the actions are only implied, not even the hand gestures look natural, so it's only fitting the sex is not high quality.

It is possible to have sex with your underwear on.

Christ, it's possible to have sex while wearing a 3 piece suit.

KeyMaster45:
"It's an artistic choice by the development team,"

Translation: We didn't want to be the next Hot Coffee incident

Considering there are gay sex scenes in the game, I don't think the Media Watchdogs need nudity to crucify this game if they so desire...

Artistic choice?
Bullshit.

More like 'We-didn't-have-the-balls-to-go-through-with-nudity-in-fear-of-the-huge-backlash-that-follows-from-angry-housewives-and-uninformed-newschannels' choice.

There is no reason why they would opt for such a design if compared to the overall 'mature' design choices of bloodsplatters etc. If they would have just left all this pretense of maturity bullshit away with the annoying blood theme, harsh language and absolutely retarted Marilyn Manson commercials the game would have been a lot better.

Amnestic:

KeyMaster45:

To be honest they probably would have been better off going with Fable's way of portraying sex. A black screen and random moaning noises, least it leaves something to the imagination.

Except for a brief introduction, that's what my lass had with her prostitute.

But yeah, DA:O's sex scenes are bad. Real bad. The movements are awkward and painful to look at. The first kiss between my character and Leliana was fine because there was a head blocking what I can only assume was a terrible meating of two pairs of CG lips which are never done right, but the sex scenes are just awful.

So true. A CG kiss is so hard to pull off.

Brotherofwill:
Artistic choice?
Bullshit.

More like 'We-didn't-have-the-balls-to-go-through-with-nudity-in-fear-of-the-huge-backlash-that-follows-from-angry-housewives-and-uninformed-newschannels' choice.

Exactly. I think that it would have been fine for either realistic accuracy or sex appeal. Controversy almost always boosts sales anyway.

I haven't played the game, but I clicked on that YouTube link and... *shudders* ...I just hope that my brain hasn't been permanently damaged. Seriously, that was 1000 times worse than being Rickrolled.

Damn! And I though I was going to see some CG boobs!

But seriously, it's ok if they didn't want the game to show nudity... although they should have avoided showing full bodies. The underwear completely ruins it.

Oh my. No nudity? Fine. But at least extinguish the lights so it dosen't look lame!

caving into preassure is what I see from this act

Brotherofwill:

More like 'We-didn't-have-the-balls-to-go-through-with-nudity-in-fear-of-the-huge-backlash-that-follows-from-angry-housewives-and-uninformed-newschannels' choice.

You think this would have gotten any news airtime when there's Modern Warfare 2's ENCOURAGING TERRORISTS to rant on about? :P

'Tis only a matter of time until someone with the skill and too much time on their hands makes a mod to 'fix' that.

Can't really comment further on this though, not seen the scenes yet. I always reroll due to some minor issue with my character before I get that far in. From what I've gathered though, it seems quite the small issue. I know I, at least, have been waiting for the next dialogue apart from the normal instead of waiting for the sex scene.

Ha ha, there was some sort of glitch with the sex scene with Leliana that left her in her underwear, and my character in full plate armor. Ponder that one for a moment.

But seriously, those scenes were cringe-inducing. Mass Effect got a lot of flack for it's utterly tame PG-variety sex scenes, but they were exactly what Bioware should have done in Dragon Age if they didn't want to really 'show' anything. What they gave us just looks ridiculous.

Cousin_IT:
Maybe its magic underwear in an age before contraceptives?

No, your wrong. I cant say more without spoiling something, but your wrong.

OT: I like the romance subplots all the way up to the... urm... awkward love scenes. Curse you Greg for reminding me of how awkward those scenes are. Though I can see where the developers are coming from, video games cannot be taken seriously as an artistic medium if they fear criticism for something a rated R movie contains.

This is what happens when people do something half-assed. Hey, EA? If you're going to have a game complete with scantily clad sex demons, brothels, and college hookups around the camp fire, then at least put some effort into it and go all the way. DA:O's pseudo-eroticism comes of as something conceived by a committee of prudes and giggling 12 year olds. You want to put this sort of thing in a game? Fine, make it something watchable, like Cinemax after 11pm. Hire a bunch of softcore actors for motion-capture sessions, make some sexy in-game models and be done with. So your game will be shrink wrapped with a sticker that says "Ask For ID". Big deal. You'll sell millions of copies anyway

If you don't have the stones to do it right, then don't do it, period. There are plenty of five-star best-selling games that (wait for it) have ZERO sex in them at all and quite frankly, they're better for it. If you want sexy then go hire a corps of Japanese designers to make you a bunch of hot sex bomb characters with costumes and armor that looks like a goth clothing store put through a tree shredder. Otherwise? Focus on the gameplay instead. It's what makes this game shine, even with the immense drag factor of the terrible sex.

Also, I can do without the following things:

1) VO dialogue with EVERY SHOPKEEPER EVERY TIME. Especially dwarfo and his retard sidekick.
2) Zevran.
3) Having to shuttle between camp and my own private fort. Why don't they just camp IN the fort? For that matter, they can all screw there, too. Ever done it on the hard ground? You'll be missing your bed soon enough, my son

On the last sex-related note, did anyone else notice this game has no spears? No one uses spears, and you certainly can't either. Of course, given everything else, it makes sense that this is the weapon they left out.

PS: You tell me why it's an okay "artistic choice" for me to slaughter a possessed child, but seeing nudity in a brothel where you can buy every hooker in rapid succession isn't?
PPS: Why isn't there a trophy for buying every hooker in the place? Or killing children?

All I have to say is that's gotta chafe... Ramming it home with two layers of cloth between, it's like trying to re-sheath your sword with a dead goblin still stuck on the end of it.

it sounds like it'd be just as awkward with nudity anyway, so unless a motivated modder makes a patch to completely re-animate the scenes, i'll just watch and chuckle at the awkwardness.

I simply think it's a situation where the pressure is hitting the designers as much as the suits so they are ultimatly selling out. As I said, we need the gaming industry to fight, and push the limits, Not sell out.

As far as sex scenes go, well this is heroic fantasy even if it's "dark". Sexuality has been part of the genere pretty much forever, look at say "Conan" for an example, or heck for all the criticism it's gotten over the years "Gor" (one of the longest running fantasy series in history).

For sex scenes I look at say when you hire a prostitute in "Gothic 2", or perhaps more to the point if your looking at movies they should be looking at 'R' rated ones for M games like oh say the first "Wild Things".

Wouldn't really add anything anyway.

I found those scenes disapointing and not worth the effort of getting them to like you.

same with mass effect, why bother?

When I first got the sex scene (female mage and Leliana), my first reaction was to burst out laughing. Probably not the effect they were going for.

They obviously didnt want those hateful bastards like Jack Thompson and the like to flip their lids again, even though there are sex scene in every single film over a 12 rating now.

Therumancer:

For sex scenes I look at say when you hire a prostitute in "Gothic 2"

Unless there's a different version of Gothic 2, that scene was also fully clothed (and awkward as hell) - how would making Dragon Age's sex scenes like Gothic's help?

Khell_Sennet:
All I have to say is that's gotta chafe... Ramming it home with two layers of cloth between, it's like trying to re-sheath your sword with a dead goblin still stuck on the end of it.

That made me laugh. Hard.

DA:O was not really at its best in the "sex scenes", I thought someone had forgotten to change the lighting and make some new animations. It resembled a pile of logs under a bright lamp.

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