Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

Thats a surprise

silly microsoft, those cards sounded good, you should have invested

Yeah, Microsoft may be able to ban people, but ban third-party hardware? Now that's just getting greedy.

I din't even know about these memery cards till just now well done microsoft your blocking has lead its way to informing me of a possablely better product and i hate you for blocking it.

While theres FAR to much sueing going on atm i can back this one since microsoft are to lazy to fight them so they just remove them.

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

With knives?

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

Depends, will there be a decent classic soundtrack, a reimagining of a timeless tragic love story, and flick knives? Because if so I'll be there with the camera. Screw copyright, if I want to remake old films then I will!

Anyway, I don't have XBL so I don't get the Dashboard updates. However, I can see that this is a problem for the countless millions who do have XBL. Thus I agree with Datel. Microsoft have gone over the top and are definitely behaving in a greedy monopolistic way. Surely with the amount of lawsuits and punishments they've had over the years, they should realise by now that people don't like it when they try to create a monopoly for themselves?

I'll be interested to find out how this turns out. I'm not sure what copyright and IP law says, but you'd think that since its their own proprietary system that they can decide what works with it and what doesn't. Please correct me if my asumption is way off.

shewolf51:

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

With knives?

That Fires Lasers?

Trivun:

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

Depends, will there be a decent classic soundtrack, a reimagining of a timeless tragic love story, and flick knives? Because if so I'll be there with the camera. Screw copyright, if I want to remake old films then I will!

Anyway, I don't have XBL so I don't get the Dashboard updates. However, I can see that this is a problem for the countless millions who do have XBL. Thus I agree with Datel. Microsoft have gone over the top and are definitely behaving in a greedy monopolistic way. Surely with the amount of lawsuits and punishments they've had over the years, they should realise by now that people don't like it when they try to create a monopoly for themselves?

Actually Microsoft reserves a portion of disc space on games so even people without XBL can get the updates.

why doesn't microsoft just buy datel and continue selling memory cards?

shewolf51:

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

With knives?

I was thinking more like the end of Rocky 5

Datel memory cards had capacities up to 4 GB, whereas the biggest Microsoft cards are stalled at 512mb.

So wait a second. You mean to tell me that, all this time, there were memory cards with a capacity up to 4GB, but Microsoft withheld them simply because they were competition?

dogstile:
Silly Microsoft. Those cards sounded good, you should have invested.

Well knowing Microsoft, this lawsuit may result in just that, except replace "invested" with "buying."

ryai458:
why doesn't microsoft just buy datel and continue selling memory cards?

Nah, they'll probably just take one apart and copy it, like they did with the computer mouse and Apple.

Microsoft dickishness is gonna bite them in the ass.

Filtertip:
I din't even know about these memery cards till just now well done microsoft your blocking has lead its way to informing me of a possablely better product and i hate you for blocking it.

While theres FAR to much sueing going on atm i can back this one since microsoft are to lazy to fight them so they just remove them.

I feel the same, I had no idea third-party 360 memory cards existed, and I can't believe they can hold so much space. Wow shame on you Microsoft, this is a product that I might have been interested in buying and now you're denying me the right to use it? For shame you tyrannical fucks.

I've heard people talking about this. They were concerned that they wouldn't even be able to access the data on the cards to copy them over to Microsoft cards. I'm sure you can, but it's a valid concern

GUYS. This was allowing easy savegame exploits by using a normal memory card which is easily usable by a computer. Granted it's still possible with Microsoft's hardware, just exceedingly more difficult and you're voiding a warranty or two.

If they just functioned like normal memory cards, I assume Microsoft wouldn't have bothered with it at all and let them go about their merry way.

Just please, think before you jump on the "Z0mG M$ IS BAD GUIZ" bandwagon.

They can ban people from their server. That's within the terms of service, but COME ON.

Now they're sabotaging other companies? Now they're going too far. What's next? The 360 will no longer work on a Sony television?

I can see that happening actually.

this hardly suprises me. microsoft has been accused of monopolies before.

Typical Microsoft. I honestly can't say I'm surprised at all.

Go Datel.

This sounds like something Mac would do, though I can't say I'm surprised Microsoft would as well.

Well unfortunately I think Microsoft's undead lawyers will win this one. It is their platform after all.

However I think Microsoft should allow for ( More ) third party accessory's. The lack of competition means lack of innovation for their own platform.

Edit: Ok I copped a little flack over this post. Yes there are third party accessory I knew that. Please note my edit. My main point still remains valid.

Avykins:
Okay so before I start I must explain. I personally hate this shit. I do think MS are just being assholes for locking out memory cards and 3rd party harddrives too.
However. The 360 is their property right? So if they want to lock out shit that others are making for their product should they not legally be able to?
Is Datel paying them a percentage for sales of their items which is clearly designed for MS's product?
Basically what I am saying is that datel is making money only because of the 360. Why should they be able to get away with that without at least having to pay something to MS?

Exactly what I was thinking. Is there some sort of contract between Datel and MS or can anyone just make a memory card for the 360 and sell it? Is this any different than me taking a PC harddrive and building my own 360 HDD other than the fact I am not mass reproducing them. Was this just a mistake on MS's part when they did the sweep? Datel became an accidental casualty? Need more information.

hebdomad:
However I think Microsoft should allow for third party accessory's.

They do; there's the controllers, battery pack kits, media remotes, steering wheels, arcade sticks, hard drives, faceplates and more.

Less jumping to conclusions people.

Wofiel:
GUYS. This was allowing easy savegame exploits by using a normal memory card which is easily usable by a computer. Granted it's still possible with Microsoft's hardware, just exceedingly more difficult and you're voiding a warranty or two.

If they just functioned like normal memory cards, I assume Microsoft wouldn't have bothered with it at all and let them go about their merry way.

Just please, think before you jump on the "Z0mG M$ IS BAD GUIZ" bandwagon.

Yes, but if people want to mess with there own save games I can't see that as a problem. I recently realised that my character in Baldur's Gate had been rolled wrong due to my own stupidity so I took an editor and changed him from one school to another. Hardly a huge issue.
Now it may be that people cheat in their games on 360 but I still can't see the problem. If I wanna cheat I cheat. It's my game after all and my enjoyment. (It should be added that I don't cheat).

The only reason this could be a problem is if it allows people to cheat on XBL. Is that possible? And surely there are server admins that ban cheaters. Oh wait...

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!

Microsoft is the biggest asshole in the console market at the moment.

I'm of two minds here. The first is that monopolies are bad (DUR), but the second is that the code might not have been made strictly for anti-competition purposes: but rather, for some anti-piracy reason.

More info is needed as to the reasons behind the inclusion of the code before I can make any judgments on the matter.

teh_gunslinger:
Yes, but if people want to mess with there own save games I can't see that as a problem. I recently realised that my character in Baldur's Gate had been rolled wrong due to my own stupidity so I took an editor and changed him from one school to another. Hardly a huge issue.
Now it may be that people cheat in their games on 360 but I still can't see the problem. If I wanna cheat I cheat. It's my game after all and my enjoyment. (It should be added that I don't cheat).

Well now with the advent of online play, something not found in your Baldur's Gate example, your savegames are now subject to Xbox Live's Terms of Use, whether on not it actually uses online play.

You may not:

- use or distribute unauthorized cheats, macros, or scripts; or
- exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game , contest, or promotion.

Well, I'm rooting for Datel on this one. It's not that I'm anti-Microsoft or anything, it's just that I dislike when a company decides to screw their customers to get a couple of extra bucks and I enjoy watching them get their comeuppance.

shewolf51:

Sparrow:
Man, is this Lawsuit November or something? Can't people learn to solve their differences the proper way?

Like, a street fight?

With knives?

with a BIGGER knife!

scotth266:
I'm of two minds here. The first is that monopolies are bad (DUR), but the second is that the code might not have been made strictly for anti-competition purposes: but rather, for some anti-piracy reason.

More info is needed as to the reasons behind the inclusion of the code before I can make any judgments on the matter.

Now if Nintendo did it right, then no more homebrew hackers spoiling my Online gaming.

I'm on Microsoft side.