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The co-writer of The Dark Knight has been officially confirmed as a scribe for the next Superman movie.

It looks like Warner really wants to make its next Superman movie a success on par with The Dark Knight, and is using top talent from the Batman reboot to do so. After bringing on Dark Knight director Christoper Nolan as a guiding light, Warner Bros. has now also hired David S. Goyer, co-writer on The Dark Knight, to pen Superman's next theatrical tale.

The movie's current title is planned to be The Man of Steel. It won't be an origin story, which is a good thing, because everybody across all dimensions, even those without Superman in them, already knows the origin of the world's greatest hero. Thomas Tull, head of Legendary Pictures, allegedly went straight to Goyer, who pitched a storyline that would bring Superman back to when John Byrne revamped him in 1986 with The Man of Steel comic miniseries.

Goyer's modern sort of narrative, where The Daily Planet is struggling due to the internet, includes major villains Lex Luthor and Brainiac doing something evil-ish in Metropolis. It also supposedly sets up a "huge Kryptonian mythology." Superman Returns star Brandon Routh will not... return, nor is the film's director Bryan Singer likely to work on The Man of Steel. And no, Nicolas Cage isn't going to star in it either.

Source: Latino Review via io9

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Hopefully it won't be as disappointing as I found the other Superman movies.
The Dark Knight was pretty good, and I hope that same goodness appears in this.

But what about Nicolas Cage's son, Kal-El?

Anyhow, I really liked Superman Returns, but what they're doing sounds like a good move anyway.

I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

Read All Star Superman. That should be all they need. They can tweak the ending a bit, and if they really want they can wedge the current Superman arc, or Final Crisis in there. But Grant Morrison is all they need. I'm Wary about Goyer; he has made some very bad things as well as some good ones.

Also I know I cry "All Star Superman" on most forums, but it's only because I'm right :)

DC's President Diane Nelson came out and said that Nolan was/is not involved with the Superman reboot, it was nothing more than a rumor.

I liked Superman Returns, but I don't think I could handle another Superman Returns. It really only worked if you considered how long it had been since we had a Superman movie.

Now, I've never read an actual Superman comic in my life, but...I think there's enough Superman out there to get a pretty damn good impression of the man of steel.

And quite frankly, I really don't think he has a third dimension. Creating any kind of script to give Superman any kind of depth should be grounds for a nomination to sainthood because that would be a dolphin-humpin' miracle.

Styphax:

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

Read All Star Superman. That should be all they need. They can tweak the ending a bit, and if they really want they can wedge the current Superman arc, or Final Crisis in there. But Grant Morrison is all they need. I'm Wary about Goyer; he has made some very bad things as well as some good ones.

Also I know I cry "All Star Superman" on most forums, but it's only because I'm right :)

You're right about what? All you said is "Read All Star Superman". That's not being right, that's just saying stuff.

More Lex Luthor? Superman does have other enemies, they do know this don't they?

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

I used to think the same think about Superman... and then I read The Death of Superman and all the stuff that came afterwards. That was pretty much the best super hero comic I have ever read.

I can see Superman in a good movie, and I hope he finally gets one.

As I said many o' times, it'd be a damned shame that they wouldn't go on in the Reeve superman universe. It's not like comics don't change in style all the time.

I think this could be good news, and hopefully lead to a well done Superman flick. I personally was a bit underwhelmed with Superman Returns. Kevin Spacey was a great choice for Luthor but he was given nothing to work with and had possibly the dumbest plan I'd ever heard of from a movie villain. No one would have wanted to live on that island.

Plus maybe this time around they'll cast someone as Superman who doesn't look like a teenager. Not saying Mr. Routh did a terrible job... he just didn't look the part to me.

I personally enjoyed Returns.
The only hiring news that can excite me is Bruce Timm/Paul Dini. being brought on as a writer, director, or consultant.

Good news, might actually make a good film this time. Although, I'm slightly saddened by Brandon Routh not being in it, I thought he did quite a good job.

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

For this Hubilub, you have shown your true colors, and are therefore not worthy of your Escapist forums fame!

*Strips Hubilub of fame and status here on the escapist. AKA all of his posts!*

Geez. Seriously man! I did'nt expect you of all people to have such an antiquated and misinformed picture about anything!

Then again, since I'm pretty sure your an Anime/Manga fan, and misinformations and antiquation are part of what drives most of you, I can't say I was completely taken off guard, but damn! This is a shock strong enough to kill the man of steel!

Hubilub:

Styphax:

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

Read All Star Superman. That should be all they need. They can tweak the ending a bit, and if they really want they can wedge the current Superman arc, or Final Crisis in there. But Grant Morrison is all they need. I'm Wary about Goyer; he has made some very bad things as well as some good ones.

Also I know I cry "All Star Superman" on most forums, but it's only because I'm right :)

You're right about what? All you said is "Read All Star Superman". That's not being right, that's just saying stuff.

Read it you'll know what I'm talking about.

AboveUp:

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

I used to think the same think about Superman... and then I read The Death of Superman and all the stuff that came afterwards. That was one of the best super hero comic I have ever read, because we all know Watchmen is the greatest super hero comic!

I can see Superman in a good movie, and I hope he finally gets one.

Yay! Someone without an atiquated and misinformed view of the Man of Steel!

Also, I fixed that for ya ;).

A superman movie i'm actually looking forward to. My problem right now is idk how superman will survive in a dark gritty atmosphere when he's indestructible lol

Zepren:
A superman movie i'm actually looking forward to. My problem right now is idk how superman will survive in a dark gritty atmosphere when he's indestructible lol

Well, at least your antiquated view doesnt mean you dont like him ;).

Seriosuly though, Superman is not indestructable, just highly durable. If his fights with Darksied, Doomsday, or a variety of over-powered baddied he has fought (You know who you are Anti-Monitor!), has taught us anything other than how powerful the villans are, it's that he isnt indestructable.

Also, Superman cant fit in a dark gritty atmosphere, unless that atmosphere is Apokalips, or unless he's in that atmosphere to try and give it some Blue Boy-scouted hope, or in an epic fight that causes much of the city to be destroyed, and some of his loved ones.

Sexy Guy:
SNIP

Also, I fixed that for ya ;).

I don't really count The Watchmen as a proper Super Hero comic. But as a comic, yes it is above the Death and Return. But then I'd like to go a step further and put V for Vendetta and The Sandman on top of those two.

Sexy Guy:

Zepren:
A superman movie i'm actually looking forward to. My problem right now is idk how superman will survive in a dark gritty atmosphere when he's indestructible lol

Well, at least your antiquated view doesnt mean you dont like him ;).

Seriosuly though, Superman is not indestructable, just highly durable. If his fights with Darksied, Doomsday, or a variety of over-powered baddied he has fought (You know who you are Anti-Monitor!), has taught us anything other than how powerful the villans are, it's that he isnt indestructable.

Also, Superman cant fit in a dark gritty atmosphere, unless that atmosphere is Apokalips, or unless he's in that atmosphere to try and give it some Blue Boy-scouted hope, or in an epic fight that causes much of the city to be destroyed, and some of his loved ones.

Owch, i feel like i've just been schooled. I'm pretty much a noob where it comes to superman. I know the general ethos you know? What i never got was how many forms of kryptonite there is. it's like "oh your slightly immune to green kryptonite are you? why don;t you try some RED KRYPTONITE!" and then it just goes on and on. I mean if someone just found some black or rainbow kryptonite, or whatever the most powerful one is, at the very beginning... superman would be fucked

Sexy Guy:

Hubilub:
I don't think you can make a good movie about Superman. It just doesn't feel like a kind of hero you could make a good movie about. Then again, I've always hated Superman. How can a guy with almost no weakness constantly get surprised when the villain pulls out kryptonite for the 100th time?

For this Hubilub, you have shown your true colors, and are therefore not worthy of your Escapist forums fame!

*Strips Hubilub of fame and status here on the escapist. AKA all of his posts!*

Geez. Seriously man! I did'nt expect you of all people to have such an antiquated and misinformed picture about anything!

Then again, since I'm pretty sure your an Anime/Manga fan, and misinformations and antiquation are part of what drives most of you, I can't say I was completely taken off guard, but damn! This is a shock strong enough to kill the man of steel!

I hate Superman for other reasons, if that makes you happier? I just figured that the Kryptonite reason was the most mainstream and therefore the one that most people could relate to when I said I didn't like him.

Clearly I was wrong.

AboveUp:

Sexy Guy:
SNIP

Also, I fixed that for ya ;).

I don't really count The Watchmen as a proper Super Hero comic. But as a comic, yes it is above the Death and Return. But then I'd like to go a step further and put V for Vendetta and The Sandman as awesome as Watchmen, and in no ways exceding it, but then again, still being equal to it.

Fixed that for ya ;)

No applause, no applause, just throw money.

lodo_bear:
But what about Nicolas Cage's son, Kal-El?

Anyhow, I really liked Superman Returns, but what they're doing sounds like a good move anyway.

I knew there was something wrong with that man. That poor, poor boy.
I myself rather enjoy Superman Returns, and I am quite eager to see what the daring duo of Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer can do with the franchise. I wouldn't mind if they found someone to play Lois Lane who didn't look like she was fresh from 90210 or Bring It On. But that's the old fart in me talking.

On an additional thought: I realize the guy already has a lot on his plate, but dontcha think Zach Quinto would make a good Supes?

Zepren:

Sexy Guy:

Zepren:
A superman movie i'm actually looking forward to. My problem right now is idk how superman will survive in a dark gritty atmosphere when he's indestructible lol

Well, at least your antiquated view doesnt mean you dont like him ;).

Seriosuly though, Superman is not indestructable, just highly durable. If his fights with Darksied, Doomsday, or a variety of over-powered baddied he has fought (You know who you are Anti-Monitor!), has taught us anything other than how powerful the villans are, it's that he isnt indestructable.

Also, Superman cant fit in a dark gritty atmosphere, unless that atmosphere is Apokalips, or unless he's in that atmosphere to try and give it some Blue Boy-scouted hope, or in an epic fight that causes much of the city to be destroyed, and some of his loved ones.

Owch, i feel like i've just been schooled. I'm pretty much a noob where it comes to superman. I know the general ethos you know? What i never got was how many forms of kryptonite there is. it's like "oh your slightly immune to green kryptonite are you? why don;t you try some RED KRYPTONITE!" and then it just goes on and on. I mean if someone just found some black or rainbow kryptonite, or whatever the most powerful one is, at the very beginning... superman would be fucked

At least you responded to it better than some person who's a so called legend around here. And for that, I commend you Glenrath. Now, about that Faux News webcomic idea you NEVER responded to that I sent!

People always disagree here, but I fucking love superman. The entire mythos is fantastic, the villains are amazing (brainiac and Luthor especially) and I love what the character stands for, and will fight to his death to uphold. Batman is far cooler, no one ever disputes this but Superman is just an amazing character. Now I wanna go to Forbidden Planet and buy All-Star Superman...

Sexy Guy:

Zepren:

Sexy Guy:

Zepren:
A superman movie i'm actually looking forward to. My problem right now is idk how superman will survive in a dark gritty atmosphere when he's indestructible lol

Well, at least your antiquated view doesnt mean you dont like him ;).

Seriosuly though, Superman is not indestructable, just highly durable. If his fights with Darksied, Doomsday, or a variety of over-powered baddied he has fought (You know who you are Anti-Monitor!), has taught us anything other than how powerful the villans are, it's that he isnt indestructable.

Also, Superman cant fit in a dark gritty atmosphere, unless that atmosphere is Apokalips, or unless he's in that atmosphere to try and give it some Blue Boy-scouted hope, or in an epic fight that causes much of the city to be destroyed, and some of his loved ones.

Owch, i feel like i've just been schooled. I'm pretty much a noob where it comes to superman. I know the general ethos you know? What i never got was how many forms of kryptonite there is. it's like "oh your slightly immune to green kryptonite are you? why don;t you try some RED KRYPTONITE!" and then it just goes on and on. I mean if someone just found some black or rainbow kryptonite, or whatever the most powerful one is, at the very beginning... superman would be fucked

At least you responded to it better than some person who's a so called legend around here. And for that, I commend you Glenrath. Now, about that Faux News webcomic idea you NEVER responded to that I sent!

Oh shit sorry man, been comforting a friend of mine alot, shes going through a hard time. Been losing track of stuff becuz of it. also work are being rediculas. meer droplets in an ocean of busy that is me lol. i'll PM you in a sec

Nerf Ninja:
More Lex Luthor? Superman does have other enemies, they do know this don't they?

It's a matter of iconism. When a random person is asked "Name a Superman villian" odds are that they'll name Lex Luthor.

Think about the Batman Reboot for a second: They tried first in Begins with Raj-al-Ghol (or however you spell his name) and the Scarecrow with a modicum of success. Christian Bale was the new Dark Knight; Michael Cane and Gary Oldman were the new Alfred and Jim Gordan; Morgan Freeman was the new Lucius Fox; and Gotham was turned from the near-cartoonish world of the 90s franchise into the dark, gritty realism of the new series that could only be done in Chicago.

That said, the movie really doesn't stand out on it's own in comparison to The Dark Knight. In fact, it feels more like a prequel to The Dark Knight, establishing the majority of backstory for Bruce Wayne, Jim Gordan, and the Batman mythos (the suit, cave, Batsignal, Batmobile, etc.), hammering out the tragic love interest in Rachel Dawes, explaining how the Joker and other future villians first appeared, and set-up the power vaccume left by the Falcone bust. Hell, even "Begins" in the title is usually reserved for prequels, not the first movie.

The Joker, the iconic Batman villian whether your a fan or not, is what set apart The Dark Knight from any other superhero movie in history and will likely be the mark for best villian for decades. This is made almost more ledgendary by the fact that Heath Ledger will (tradgically) not be able to play the character in any later sequel, so the character won't be breaking out of Arkham any time soon.

In a superhero movie, it is the antagonist on the other end of the fight that truly determines whether a film is a success or not. The Lex Luthor that will be in the new movie will definately be far from the Lex Luthor from the old movies (of which I count Returns).

We'll see probably a multi-facseted CEO who "staved the recession through 'solid business practices'" such as maintaining a privately-owned corporation (i.e. no hand in the NYSE) and having a diverse portfolio of industry (think GE). Luthor will probably be less of a straight up villian, but more of the guy who sells his arms to less-than-savory people and gets connected to it via a story by Clark Kent or Lois Lane after an Superman-involved incident in Metropolis. He'll hire a hitman who fails (unless they try something more interesting and have him succeed, which would be even better if Lois Lane is the one killed, sparking a Superman revenge plot) and gets tied to Luthor again. One thing leads to another, but in the end, Luthor will probably have nothing more than a quiet conversation with the Man of Steel and Superman will be forced to back off after reaching a tenuous agreement where each agrees to avoid crossing each other's path. The last image of Luthor will be him sitting at his desk hand resting on his chin pondering his next move, possibly with a smile depending on how the conversation turned out.

If they try a Dark Knight-style movie, it will be far from a happy-ending in the same vein. And, depending on the economy at the time, it would directly relate to the feelings of the audience, where men who commit horible acts within the law are esentially protected while the rest suffer the consequences. This could be a working story.

This is what they should have done in the first place. Although I did find a few parts of Superman Returns to be good, as a whole I felt as if the movie was cheating me. Brandon Routh didn't feel like Superman or Clark Kent, he felt like Christopher Reeve. Regardless of how well Reeve did and how much he was liked in the past, it wasn't fair to the character to base the film on him. I'm not too sure about taking the character down a "darker" path but I'll take it if its a truly new path.

Tinq:
I liked Superman Returns, but I don't think I could handle another Superman Returns. It really only worked if you considered how long it had been since we had a Superman movie.

Making me feel old remembering it...

My problem with the Superman franchise is Superman himself (indestructible, overpowered, no character flaws: Zzzzzz).

The Gentleman:
Intelligent post

Unfortunately though, I felt that Dark knight was not a particularly good film. Yes it was definitely adequate as a Batman film and well done, but it was also formulaic with a very contrived plot. Whilst Heath Ledger was very good, I do think that due to his death a lot of the fans somehow elevated his acting way beyond what it actually was. I still believe Begins to be the better film. (But I also think the first Burton Batman is better than Begins)

I don't personally see how drafting in the Dark Knight team can really help Superman beyond helping it to fit in the same stylistic "universe" as Nolan's Batman.

Lex Luthor may be the iconic villain for Superman but He's also the most over-played, it's entirely possible to make a Superman film without him being in it. Why not Darkseid or Bizarro Superman? Hell why not make Batman be the main villain, they have fought before on several occasions.

Every Superman film to date has been a variation on a theme, each one with diminishing returns.

For the love of god i hope they make him fight Doomsday or Darkseid.

Superman is the greatest superhero ever, he deserves an awesome movie.

Nerf Ninja:

The Gentleman:
Intelligent post

Unfortunately though, I felt that Dark knight was not a particularly good film. Yes it was definitely adequate as a Batman film and well done, but it was also formulaic with a very contrived plot. Whilst Heath Ledger was very good, I do think that due to his death a lot of the fans somehow elevated his acting way beyond what it actually was. I still believe Begins to be the better film. (But I also think the first Burton Batman is better than Begins)

With due respect, you're in the minority.

The Burton Batman (Batman Returns, for those who forgot about it) was probably the turning point in the 90s series, where more cartoony elements were implemented which likely lead to the less-than-steller Batman Forever and the down-right awful Batman & Robin. It was a good movie for those of us who like Tim Burton's style of directing, but it essentially turned the series into a joke.

Nerf Ninja:
I don't personally see how drafting in the Dark Knight team can really help Superman beyond helping it to fit in the same stylistic "universe" as Nolan's Batman.

Lex Luthor may be the iconic villain for Superman but He's also the most over-played, it's entirely possible to make a Superman film without him being in it. Why not Darkseid or Bizarro Superman? Hell why not make Batman be the main villain, they have fought before on several occasions.

While the idea of having another villian instead of Lex Luthor is a tantalizing idea, no producer in their right mind would give it the go-ahead as the first movie. It's not a matter of originality or desire to branch out into the Superman cannon; it's a matter of money. In order for the reboot to succeed, the film must make at least a few buckets of money to take home to the studio and say "See? it worked!" As a result, they have to use the winning style of The Dark Knight with realism and a solid guy they can have as the antagonist.

As for the villians:

Darkseid's an alien, which would require too much backstory to fit in a first movie. In addition, he doesn't resinate much outside the circles of "guys who know about Superman."

Bizzaro Superman has similar problems and it would be a bit clunky to implement.

Batman's a good guy, even if he's running from police now, and general audiences don't quite process a good-guy vs. good-guy plot in the same way that comic book fans do. What worked for Alien VS Preditor and Freddy VS Jason is not going to work for a Superman/Batman crossover.

Nerf Ninja:
Every Superman film to date has been a variation on a theme, each one with diminishing returns.

Again, which is why a reboot has to work or the IP will be untouchible for a generation... again.

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