Nintendo Defeats Sony, Apple is "Enemy of the Future"

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Nintendo Defeats Sony, Apple is "Enemy of the Future"

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Despite taking Nintendo to task in the past, Sony isn't even on the company's mind anymore. Now, it's all about Apple.

With the NES and the SNES, Nintendo was able to cement itself as a name synonymous with videogames. After those two consoles, Sony snuck in to the industry and changed what many people once simply called "Nintendo" to "PlayStation" with the PlayStation and the PlayStation 2. This has changed in the current generation, with the PlayStation 3 failing to catch on as well as previous consoles, while sales of the Nintendo Wii have far surpassed it and the Xbox 360. Nintendo doesn't currently expect to be on the bottom of Sony's boot ever again.

According to a Times Online report, Nintendo chief Satoru Iwata has told senior executives in the company that the battle with Sony is long over. Even with the upcoming PlayStation Move set to take on the Wii's waggle, Nintendo isn't concerned. Instead, Iwata has his sights set on Apple.

Iwata describes the iPad and iPhone as the "enemy of the future." There is apparently a "mood of concern" at Nintendo as all divisions hope to "restore the capacity to 'surprise'" consumers again. The leaked reveal of Nintendo's 3DS was surprising, so it may have hidden cards up its sleeve.

The Wii is currently selling well, but sales are down. It's still far ahead of competitors, and Nintendo also has the amazingly strong DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL handhelds, with the 3DS rumored to be released in Japan possibly as early as this holiday season. Nintendo seems to feel that the hardcore videogame consoles aren't its competition anymore, and more generalized smart technology devices that can also play games are. We'll only know the truth once the casual market gets its hands on Sony's Move and Microsoft's Natal, if Nintendo doesn't come up with something new by then as well.

Source: Times Online via Kotaku

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With almost 100 million iPhone OS devices out there, who can blame them?

This just in, the 3DS will have support to browsers, crappy (or not) flash games, telephone and an awesome iSt... I mean nStore.

OT: It's good to see Nintendo trying to improve themselves, even if it's only to stomp a rival.

I for one believe that healthy competition is a good thing, and will cause both parties to invest much more time and effort into their products. Let's ring the bell and sit back while they rip each others throats out for out amuseme... I mean out consumer support.

I can't blame them, but this is a sign of where Nintendo is developing towards. They stopped competing in the traditional games market, could be why their quality of products has dropped and why they are hardly turning them out anymore.

Sales are down because they are running out of people to sell too. But I don't think Nintendo is competing with Sony and MS anyway and I don't they ever were starting with current gen consoles. Nintendo has moved into the casual market while Sony and MS engaged in a pissing match over hardcore gamers. Nintendo and Apple are in one league, Sony and MS in the other.

So we can expect more shovelware I take it? Good to know Nintendo... but if you don't mind my saying so... it's Sony that doesn't have to worry about you anymore. I wish you the best of luck against Apple though... you're going to need it.

I am honestly excited to see how this turns out, should be fun.

Brotherofwill:
I can't blame them, but this is a sign of where Nintendo is developing towards. They stopped competing in the traditional games market, could be why their quality of products has dropped and why they are hardly turning them out anymore.

Just what I was thinking. I still like Nintendo's main franchises but I think they're going to be turning their attention elsewhere, following Apple in becoming more of a general multimedia company.

Considering Nintendo is after casual gamers and the iPhone and iPad has been targeting them it makes sense they're more worried about apple then Sony or Microsoft.

With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

If Apple ever released a console you know it will cost 5 times as much as an xbox and do half as much.

Talk about aiming high! Well, at least they have ambition!

Stubee:
If Apple ever released a console you know it will cost 5 times as much as an xbox and do half as much.

And yet it would still sell well because it would be called an iSole and people would fall for the shiny casing & interface.

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

I think a 'hardcore game' or 'hardcore gamer' needs to have an agreed upon definition so that people can stop tip-toeing around the subject. If we're going to segregate gamers with special titles, then the least we can do is exposite on WHY they're different and WHY we're separating them.

Aura Guardian:
What's a hardcore game?

The chief characteristic of a "hardcore gamer" is their dismissive attitude towards the insufficiently hardcore.

this seems appropriate

Stubee:
If Apple ever released a console you know it will cost 5 times as much as an xbox and do half as much.

I don't even think Nintendo is necessarily worried that Apple will release a console, so much as they're worried that all their customers will forego buying $200 handhelds and $300 gaming consoles to buy $500+ phone/browser/laptop/digital book/ipod touch-interface combos, which also happen to run casual videogames.

If I were Nintendo, I would be worried too, since the ipod devices are already the Zynga of the mobile device realm. Millions of people who wouldn't normally consider themselves gamers are already dropping $1-3 here/there to buy casual tower defense and other games from the itunes store. I've personally bought a couple $5 games which were something between a GBA and a NDS game in quality.

Ignoring the horde of mindless Apple-haters who bash a company whose products they never use because they think it makes them cool for a second:

What
the
Hell?

Nintendo is a gaming company.Apple is an electronics company,why would they be any threat to them?

Also if Apple made a console,and said console was like their computers and OS then it would do everything a xbox 360 can except.But the iBox 360 (as it shall now be known) would:

a)It would actually work (instead of crashing because you didn't dunk it in liquid nitrogen in the last 10 seconds)

b)Would run PS3 games on reduced graphics.

c)Add an extra button that can be bound to whatever you want

d)Would load up things faster.

e)Cost about 50% more

f)Is nearly as tough as a Nintendo console.

g)Would come with some free tools.

Of course all the anti-Apple zealots will still hate it anyway,despite never actually trying it

Nurb:
this seems appropriate

Seems more like plagiarism due to over-zealous inclusion. But at least we know you read Calvin and Hobbes.

I love how shovelware is mysteriously Nintendo's fault. Look it's either they make more draconian software quality standards and alienate more developers, or they just have to accept that some studios are going to release crap regardless because the console is popular (see: Atari 2600, NES, PS1, PS2, among others)

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

It means different things to different people, as there hasn't been a proper definition set for it. Let me make a comparison: imagining someone's grandmother playing Wii Bowling wouldn't really be a stretch of the imagination anymore. But someone's grandmother frustratingly navigating the unforgiving levels of Demon's Souls, cursing and throwing the controller when she dies and loses all of her carefully acquired experience points? Yeah, there's something wrong with that picture.

Not that a game has to be difficult to be considered hardcore. Maybe hardcore isn't even the right word I'm looking for. Fallout 3, for example, isn't a casual game, but the word "hardcore" doesn't seem to fit when describing it.

soapyshooter:
Sales are down because they are running out of people to sell too. But I don't think Nintendo is competing with Sony and MS anyway and I don't they ever were starting with current gen consoles. Nintendo has moved into the casual market while Sony and MS engaged in a pissing match over hardcore gamers. Nintendo and Apple are in one league, Sony and MS in the other.

This is almost verbatim what I was going to say. It's like all companies fail to realize there is a finite number of customers for your product. Sort of like the Auto industry, they produce X amount of car lines every year with Y amount of cars from those lines for Z amount of customers then the next year wonder why those same Z customers aren't there.

IN all seriously, the Iphone is literally an extension to my flexible life. I cannot go on without it, I actually can, but if I could keep it, I would.

Apple is renowned for some of the gadgets they bring out. It has a certain amount of class around their products even when they are overpriced. However, Nintendo comes off cheap and plastic in my perspective and I would dread the day they would spam the market with Wii Remote like devices to compete with Apple.

Note: I am not an apple fanboy.

dradiscontact:

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

It means different things to different people, as there hasn't been a proper definition set for it. Let me make a comparison: imagining someone's grandmother playing Wii Bowling wouldn't really be a stretch of the imagination anymore. But someone's grandmother frustratingly navigating the unforgiving levels of Demon's Souls, cursing and throwing the controller when she dies and loses all of her carefully acquired experience points? Yeah, there's something wrong with that picture.

Not that a game has to be difficult to be considered hardcore. Maybe hardcore isn't even the right word I'm looking for. Fallout 3, for example, isn't a casual game, but the word "hardcore" doesn't seem to fit when describing it.

The first paragraph made no sense. However your second one did.

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

It means different things to different people, as there hasn't been a proper definition set for it. Let me make a comparison: imagining someone's grandmother playing Wii Bowling wouldn't really be a stretch of the imagination anymore. But someone's grandmother frustratingly navigating the unforgiving levels of Demon's Souls, cursing and throwing the controller when she dies and loses all of her carefully acquired experience points? Yeah, there's something wrong with that picture.

Not that a game has to be difficult to be considered hardcore. Maybe hardcore isn't even the right word I'm looking for. Fallout 3, for example, isn't a casual game, but the word "hardcore" doesn't seem to fit when describing it.

The first paragraph made no sense. However your second one did.

I guess you haven't played Demon's Souls, otherwise you might have understood the point I was making in the first paragraph. I'll leave it at that then. If you'd like a definition of a "hardcore" game, look up Demon's Souls.

Aura Guardian:
The first paragraph made no sense. However your second one did.

The term is subjective, but often thrown around by people who feel they need to create some sense of elitism among the growing gaming community. E-peen business or somesuch from what I can make of it. Comes off as the type of game for the "classic" demographic. These being males ages 13 to 33 believed to sport an erection at the mention of gunfire or explosives, and need a horribly top-heavy figure resembling a women to reassure them of their manliness.

For me, I find the term most suited to play style rather than design philosophy.

Whenever I hear Apple, I can't help but think of this article on Cracked.

DeadlyYellow:

Aura Guardian:
The first paragraph made no sense. However your second one did.

The term is subjective, but often thrown around by people who feel they need to create some sense of elitism among the growing gaming community. E-peen business or somesuch from what I can make of it. Comes off as the type of game for the "classic" demographic. These being males ages 13 to 33 believed to sport an erection at the mention of gunfire or explosives, and need a horribly top-heavy figure resembling a women to reassure them of their manliness.

For me, I find the term most suited to play style rather than design philosophy.

Whenever I hear Apple, I can't help but think of this article on Cracked.

Thank you for the definition.

The iPhone very well could take over the handheld gaming market, even though that isn't its primary function. When people aren't informed (ie the other 98% of "gamers" that don't read up on gaming websites), any kind of gimmick will get them. I'm not denying that there are good games on the iPhone, but because touch-screens are still so "cool" people will rush to get their hands on one.

Accessibility also works wonders, again why the touch screen is succeeding. Most of these people probably don't want in-depth games so they get a couple of games on their iPhone, which they bought in the first place as a phone.

Note: I generally hate Apple, namely out of their over-priced nature especially with Macs. I understand that some people might prefer them over PCs, and that's understandable, UI is more streamlined etc, but I don't see an extra $500 going towards a product solely due to the OS as being reasonable when a PC product with the same specs are cheaper (this is a hyperbole, don't rage).

Alar:

Aura Guardian:

dradiscontact:
With all due respect to Nintendo here, Sony isn't their "enemy" anymore because Nintendo, with the exception of a few titles sprinkled here and there, doesn't do hardcore games anymore. The Wii is marketed for casual gamers and children. So in other words, Nintendo beat their competitor by removing itself from the competition. Or something like that...

What's a hardcore game?

I think a 'hardcore game' or 'hardcore gamer' needs to have an agreed upon definition so that people can stop tip-toeing around the subject. If we're going to segregate gamers with special titles, then the least we can do is exposite on WHY they're different and WHY we're separating them.

Hardcore = frequency of use

If a guy visits the gym once a month, you would say he is somewhat health concious.

If a guy plays many sports, visits the gym three times a week, and has an amazing physique, you would say he is a "hardcore" athelete.

~

With regard to consoles, its no secret the Wii doesn't get much use. From personal experience, how many of you, like me, only see the console in use when a group of people are playing Smash Brawl?

Cause I swear thats pretty much all I ever see.

Hmm, what's that? Nintendo is talking about games again and says Sony isn't a competitor? They sure aren't - they're busy at least making games I want to play while Nintendo and Apple are slaving away making generic casual games on gimmicky platforms that I'm not interested in the slightest to play.

Yeah Nintendo - eliminating someone as a competitor doesn't mean you beat them, it means you're not as good as them anymore. Up next, Nintendo announces their plans to defeat Zynga their second largest threat...

Mr. Mike:
Note: I generally hate Apple, namely out of their over-priced nature especially with Macs. I understand that some people might prefer them over PCs, and that's understandable, UI is more streamlined etc, but I don't see an extra $500 going towards a product solely due to the OS as being reasonable when a PC product with the same specs are cheaper (this is a hyperbole, don't rage).

Well... don't buy one then? I'm not sure how 'hatred' is justified here, given that Apple's pricing hasn't exactly driven up the rest of the market. Scorn them, maybe, but 'hating' them for developing a product no one is forcing you to buy seems entirely irrational. Besides, there are plenty of better reasons to despise them, like the godawful itunes licensing.

I'm only saying this because I love my Macbook, and preferred Apple when they were all about the computers.

robakerson:

Stubee:
If Apple ever released a console you know it will cost 5 times as much as an xbox and do half as much.

I don't even think Nintendo is necessarily worried that Apple will release a console, so much as they're worried that all their customers will forego buying $200 handhelds and $300 gaming consoles to buy $500+ phone/browser/laptop/digital book/ipod touch-interface combos, which also happen to run casual videogames.

If I were Nintendo, I would be worried too, since the ipod devices are already the Zynga of the mobile device realm. Millions of people who wouldn't normally consider themselves gamers are already dropping $1-3 here/there to buy casual tower defense and other games from the itunes store. I've personally bought a couple $5 games which were something between a GBA and a NDS game in quality.

I see what you mean but in a way its Nintendos fault for targeting the younger audience who fall for all that gimmicky bells and whistles crap that apple cram into their products. I wouldnt of thought anyone that can call themselves a gamer would fall for that. We know there are fair better and cheaper products out there.

Would be interesting to see if Nintendo is serious about this, or if they are just standing on the mountaintop screaming, trying to get more attention. While it is yet to be seen if Droid might be a real contender against the iPhone market, it would be good if Nintendo did set up their market to take on Apple. Apple could use some real competition in its portable market. I just have to really wonder if the big N really wants to take this step sideways. I would laugh if Nintendo's true entry in its answer to the iPhone was another Fisher Price modeled item.

One can bet Microsoft and Sony won't mind. And are probably shrugging their shoulders, going 'So what?'

This is weird. Are there 2 console wars now? The Casual and the Hardcore with Nintendo vs Apple and Sony vs Microsoft?

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