Who Would Pirate the One-Cent Humble Indie Bundle?

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For some reason I can't use my prepaid card to buy this. It keeps saying it's invalid, and to try another card. I WANT to buy it, but it seems like paypal, amazon and google don't want me to :(

Still no reason to steal it though, that's just ridiculous.

I was raised to feel its ruder to leave a tip of a few pennies than to leave no tip at all. As the former can be chalked up to simple forgetfulness, and the latter is calculated douchery.

Also, it doesn't matter what you charge, people under the age of 18 don't have credit cards.

Theres also that whole bit about a good chunk of that 25% no speaky teh inglas

even im going to buy it and i only have $1.50 to my name.

John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

I go one better and simply call them:

Fuckwits.

John Funk:

So... get a friend to do it, and pay them back?

Perhaps that's exactly what they did? Seeing as how Rosen listed that as one of the reasons for the numbers being as they are?

You seem to be completely fixated on the assumption that every missing sale is a pirate laughing at them behind his/her keyboard and not any of the multiple other causes mentioned.

Funny how everyone is concentrating on the unknown quantity of jerks, who, if the group is divided equally (which is the only sensible thing to do in the absence of any data) between them and the lazy people, people with several computers & people without bank cards, actually constitute only around 6%. 12% if we count lazy people together with the "genuine" jerks.

Another thing that no one seems to have noticed is that this actually proves the fact that not every download is a lost sale. The $0.01 price clearly shows that some people won't pay for some stuff no matter what. Which makes it idiotic to keep insisting that, if only there was some perfect DRM that kept non-payers away (without inconveniencing the payers), there would have been less jerks and more customers.

As Shamus observed in one of his articles (from another game's piracy statistics) -- there is absolutely nothing you can do to force more than a very occasional pirate to become a customer if he doesn't want to, while there are lots of ways to turn a customer into a pirate overnight (for example, treating him like one with DRM or calling him a jerk because he downloaded the game on more than 1 computer).

I'd actually have to say this is good news -- considering the previosly published (both bogus and valid) statistics of piracy rates around 90%, there is no choice but to announce that the developers have won this round by keeping the pirate percentage so low (some unknown part of 25%).

For the record, I did buy the bundle, even though I only know World of Goo (which I already purchased at full price when it came out) and every other game is a complete blank for me. But I believe in supporting both low-price and DRM-free digital downloads (as opposed to protected ones), so I basically just donated money to the cause. And I invite everyone who wants to see a DRM-free, friendly-priced digital future to do the same.

I'm going to go and say this straight up. I don't have a credit card. I just don't never have, want one eventually, but until my college years are up, it's not feasible for me to carry one. It's one more bill at the end of the month I may not have the funds to pay. So his locks out a lot of online sales opportunities for me. I REAAAAALLY want to take advantage of this opportunity, the deal is great and the causes, well, they're reason enough to donate.
That and PayPal can be a bitch to deal with if you don't have a credit card as well. You can latch it on to your bank account (done that before) but it takes close to 3 weeks for it to add funds to your balance, this makes things like EBay (my original intended use for PayPal) pretty much useless.

That's just bloody greedy.

Some of the cash goes to charity. Why would you want to pirate games which give cash to charities?

It's like nicking stuff from a charity shop; it's cheap as chips anyway, and all you're doing is making yourself seem amoral.

Asehujiko:

John Funk:

So... get a friend to do it, and pay them back?

Perhaps that's exactly what they did? Seeing as how Rosen listed that as one of the reasons for the numbers being as they are?

You seem to be completely fixated on the assumption that every missing sale is a pirate laughing at them behind his/her keyboard and not any of the multiple other causes mentioned.

I see where you're coming from but that's not what I meant, really.

I'm perfectly aware that there are people who aren't exactly "pirates" getting this game for free. But you're horribly naive if you don't think that of those 25% unpaid downloads, a good number of them ARE pirates.

Uhhhh let's see...

Perhaps they don't have access to a credit card for whatever reason?
Paying 0.01 cent does utterly nothing, especially when charities are involved - those money grabbing bastards, anyways. They'll just end up spending everything on their own stuff.

It's lazy people. It's not the price, it's the amount of work they have to put into it. They view it as faster to just download the game than send in a penny. And they figure if they don't pay the price, the company is only out 1 cent.

But it's still fun to make fun of the pirates. This kind of thing makes their arguments invalid.

John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

And that's why I don't care that the uber publishers are being gigantic dicks with their zany DRM schemes.

One person can ruin it for everyone, you all know who you are.

By the by, people who use the excuse "I don't have a credit card" are foolish. A debit card is the same thing and it amounts to no monthly bill at all. If you're old enough for a bank account, you more than likely have a debit card which works the same way.

For people without creditcards..i find it very poor excuse. These days many banks offer pre-paid paycards that are perfect for online shopping without risking your actual savings account. Its that easy.^^

And for all the idiots that would rather pirate the bundle rather than pay at least that 0.01% for it... You are not even gamers, just go and find yourself another hobby, like banging your head against wall and see after how many hits you will make a hole <.<

Well you know most people do actually do it because they just right out don't want to pay which just further proves the point the DRM is useless as some people crack it for a challenge and others so they don't have to pay.

Didn't pirate it, not going to pirate it, not going to support pirating it despite the fact that I've been called a jerk for being a pirate. Then again, if this was produced by **** ***** then I might go for it.

That being said, only 25%? I'm pretty sure I've seen pirating rates that are an order of magnitude of sales, not a percentage. Has it occured to anyone that maybe most pirates are children, or does anyone who not follow the rules regardless of maturity qualify as a jerk? I already know the answer...

Maybe some people don't believe in intellectual monopoly laws. I know that isn't the party line here but that is worth thinking about as well.

And before you say "that's crazy talk" remember a large percentage of the worlds population sees charging of interest as an immoral act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

Different people believe in different things.

And another thing....an email address with a 2-3 hour single ip address expiring download link wouldn't inconvenience anyone. These guys are like the lazy old people on Halloween with the big bowl of candy and the note that says "take only one" being outraged when it is gone after the first 2-3 groups.

It just goes to show you that some people pirate games and software just because they can and for no other reason.

At least it seems someone has their head on their head on their shoulders rather than up their ass regarding fighting piracy however.

1) Some kids do not have a credit card or paypal account or amazon account. I well knew how to copy software when I was around 6 years old (though the internet didn't make it easy back then). So I'd likely assume there are lots of kids who still aren't old enough to even get a credit card who pirate it.

2) I didn't have a paypal or amazon account so I went the google payment route and it yelled at me saying google takes a larger chunk of their money and that I should use one of the other two payments. Well I don't care, I'm not going to setup a paypal or amazon account to buy this.

To all those people saying "Who's too cheap to pay one measly cent for this?", I would just like to point out that that argument works both ways. If a cent makes no difference to you, it makes no difference to the people you buy it from. Probably, the logic is "Is there much point going to the effort of paying for this just to give the developers one measly cent?", rather than people actually being that cheap.

I'm not trying to defend piracy. I'm just saying that a lot of this self-righteous harrumphing might be misdirected.

Wow, that's pretty fucking lame. I was jobless until today, and even I shelled out a few bucks for these fantastic games last week. C'mon you bunch of hosers, give them something!

scobie:
To all those people saying "Who's too cheap to pay one measly cent for this?", I would just like to point out that that argument works both ways. If a cent makes no difference to you, it makes no difference to the people you buy it from. Probably, the logic is "Is there much point going to the effort of paying for this just to give the developers one measly cent?", rather than people actually being that cheap.

I'm not trying to defend piracy. I'm just saying that a lot of this self-righteous harrumphing might be misdirected.

I'd say that makes sense too. Also I think the lowest you can pay is $0.10... not that there's much of a difference.

Gaderael:
Wow, that's pretty fucking lame. I was jobless until today, and even I shelled out a few bucks for these fantastic games last week. C'mon you bunch of hosers, give them something!

I'm still jobless and I gave them money :P

I still know technophobes who refuse to buy stuff over the net. Maybe they are to blame

W...W...World of Goo? For a fifth of a penny! Time to fire up The Pi-

Seriously, you'd have to have a pretty twisted moral conscience to pirate that.

Just my 2 cent's:

It seems to me that the old pirate argument "they would not have bought the game anyway" really proves itself in this case.
Even for 1 cent the pirate is not buying your game.
Which suggests to me that the pirate would not have bought your game, even it it wasn't available for free.

I might buy that bundle though.
It is a very nice deal indeed.

EDIT:
Real-time Statistics
- Total raised $768,587
- Number of contributions 88,449
- Average contribution $8.69

That is not bad at all actually.

oppp7:
It's lazy people. It's not the price, it's the amount of work they have to put into it. They view it as faster to just download the game than send in a penny. And they figure if they don't pay the price, the company is only out 1 cent.

But it's still fun to make fun of the pirates. This kind of thing makes their arguments invalid.

Well, to be picky this is actually one of the arguments for pirating; convenience. Other services often can't compare to how simple it is to pirate something, especially in cases like this when it's a matter of simply following a direct link to download the bundle (as I understood it from the article). So this doesn't as much make their arguments invalid as give an example of one specific argument.

I'm actually just about to buy this (thanks for letting us know about this, by the way) but this is insane. You know, I have always said people will only stop pirating when things are free and this just proves it.

John Funk:
Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

I cannot believe this. I just... I can't believe you're even suggesting such a thing. The thought that there isn't some high-minded principle, some dedication to a higher justice, behind piracy? Scandalous!

Baby Tea:

GiantRedButton:
Maybe the pirates had no other possible option then to pirate.

That is not an excuse. Not in the slightest.
If I lived in Far-away-istan with no access to these games, I still wouldn't have the right or reason to pirate.
It's never the right option.

I don't agree.

Let me start by saying that I did purchase the Humble Indie Bundle, and for a lot more than $0.01. There are some great games in there and I'm happy to support them. I also wouldn't be surprised that some people pirated it anyway, despite the low cost, just because they could. And that's pretty sad.

But I don't agree that piracy is never the right option. Maybe these are just "games" -- something we have no need for and can do without -- but let's consider many other situations in life where we can't or shouldn't, but do anyways.

Did you ever drink before you were legal age? Or have a cigarette? I'm willing to bet most people have. I bet a smaller, but still significant number of you have tried marijuana, despite it being illegal. We don't need these things, and we aren't allowed to have them, but we do so anyway on a regular basis and it has become largely accepted by society. Is this really different from people pirating games that they can't legally procure?

Let's consider the reasons somebody might not purchase these games:
* They want to stick it to the man
* They can't afford it
* They don't have access to a credit card
* It's more convenient than paying for it

I'm sure there are probably a few deluded individuals who think they are screwing over corporations or something by pirating this, and if they read this, hopefully they realize how wrong they are. And as we've established, nobody who is in possession of a computer is too poor to pay one cent for a collection of great games.

But I do know a lot of people who don't own a credit card or refuse to use them online (especially when they are left responsible for any fraud that might occur). Does this give them the right to pirate it? No, but if it leaves them with no other way to obtain these games, do we really expect them to just go without? Human nature says otherwise. Just like the kids and adults alike who smoke marijuana, we all do things that we're told we shouldn't, because we still want to do them. Forget the justification for a moment: we should expect and accept the fact that this will always occur.

There are probably also many people who find a link to download them, or have one sent to them by a friend and pass it around, who never even consider it piracy. Willful ignorance is no excuse, but they likely don't see any harm in what they are doing.

Psychologically, there can be several reasons for this. When something is far removed from money (like a video game), or given an arbitrarily low value (the game is already basically "free"), we don't feel like we've done any harm by not paying for a copy. This is even more true if we can't easily see the effect of us not paying for it: would you feel bad for taking a pencil home from your office? Or reading your personal email on work time? (See Dan Ariely's "Predictably Irrational" for more examples).

But more than anything, where's the harm? I'm sure you would immediately say, "These people worked hard to make these games, and the developers and charities are both deserving of the money. They have a right to sell their wares and the pirates who copy them without paying are just as bad as thieves." If you're talking about a person with the means to purchase it, who knowingly and willingly pirated it, then I agree with you totally. But what about the people who didn't have the means (kids or others without credit cards)? Or the people who were sent a link from a friend and told to check out these cool games? Though they didn't purchase the games and are now enjoying them, have they caused hardships to the developers and charities?

Aside from the cost of bandwidth, no, they haven't. We can say what the various industries do about the cost of lost sales, but we all know the retort: these people weren't going to pay in the first place.

And that's why I don't agree that piracy is never an option. If a person has no legal means of procuring it, and doing so illegally would cause essentially no harm, then why should we be so quick to denounce them for it? We should be grateful that these people are so interested that they would go out of their way to enjoy these works and hope that they may indirectly drive further sales through an increase in popularity.

This argument has been peppered with many conditionals: that people are otherwise unable to do things legally or that they may not even realize they are doing something wrong, and that they are causing a negligible amount of harm by doing so. This undoubtedly leaves out many people who were fully capable, but chose to cheat because they could. There is no excusing these people.

But I wouldn't doubt that a great number of people in the world do fit under this exception. In fact, I bet we've all been there at some time: drinking alcohol under age, taking extra napkins or packets of ketchup at a restaurant, or using the "for customer's only" washrooms without making a purchase. We all cheat at times, either because we don't have another way to do it (ever try to find a free, public washroom? Even the "public" washrooms in malls are technically for customers only), or because we don't think it's doing any harm (an extra mint from the cashier at a restaurant).

'Always' and 'never' are serious words. There are exceptions to everything. We rarely consider them, or their effects, but they can be significant.

That said, we should all do the best we can to show thanks for these games. If you downloaded the games free, let the developers know why. Thank them for the games, send them a cheque, make a donation elsewhere in their names -- anything you can to show that you aren't just an ungrateful, cheating bastard.

PS: As somebody else mentioned, the statistics could easily be biased. There are many possible legitimate reasons for the number of downloads to be greater than the number of sales; piracy isn't the only possible answer. Statistics can be misleading.

So how do they differentiate between a pirated download, vs someone redownloading it that paid legitimately for it?

Granted, some folks have exactly the problem that they don't have a credit card with which to pay. To some the internet is a game to see how much you can get for free, and often times the answer is damn near everything. But there's a mix of good reasons for the downloads and donations numbers to be different too. People reformat, downloads get cut off, folks use download accelerators that open multiple connections... etc.

Too bad I already have World of Goo and Aquaria. Still, I love those other 3 games too, so I'm going to try and raise the average by paying... 5 EUROS!

EDIT: I like how you can see what users (in terms of OS) pay more. Linux people ftw!
Not that I have Linux installed...

I'm not so sure these people are evil pirates. I suspect the answer has way, way more to do with the inconvenience of paying 1 cent rather than the actual financial cost of paying 1 cent. Add on security worries, and (as identified) the number of people without credit cards or who just aren't in the habit of using them on the internet, and I'm surprised only 25% are identified pirates.

Disclaimer: I paid. But I can easily see why others didn't. It's not because they're mean, or evil.

It's because they're lazy.

My silence will be insulting enough for the cheap pirates!

(wait,what?)

Perhaps it was a group effort? one person was feeling kind so they bought the game for all their friends and payed a little extra? Not a lot of people have paypal or a credit card, we forget the population under eighteen buying things of course. So really, it's to be expected.

At that point you are just pirating on ideological grounds, or the studio really pissed you off.

I don't know why anyone would pirate this?

I've personally bought the pack 6 times, 1 for me and 5 for friends.

People who pirate things that are for charity are the scum of the earth, it makes me sick.

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