Who Would Pirate the One-Cent Humble Indie Bundle?

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omg, even if downloading a certain (non-existing) game would cost someones life then it would still be downloaded by thousands of people :/

and i already felt guilty because i payed "only" 20$ ...

Nice video but HORRIBLE lyrics. (Rap sucks)

The argument of this article is severely flawed, ignoring the basis for the 25% figure completely. That is a huge figure and needs more basis than "a statistician friend that does simple math". The fact is that measuring piracy is a hard thing to do that is nearly impossible from just these 2 figures.

And then to assume 25% of the people are such assholes that they'd download a game instead of paying 1 cent just because they can is the biggest stretch of all. It doesn't make sense, where a lot of other reasons do. But the author chooses to ignore them ALL and comes right out that this proves his point.
And people wonder why badly thought out anti-piracy schemes still exist...

Well, considering the global piracy rate is at around 98%, I'd say 25% is nothing sort of a miracle!

That 25% might not all be self-entitled assholes either. As it was said before, not everyone on the planet has a credit card, kids certainly don't have one not to mention under-developed countries. And there is the fact some people just got so used to downloading stuff it's hard for them to pay for anything software related or they simply don't know how. Yes, there are people who simply doesn't care, and won't even pay a single penny for a game, and yes, they are fucking assholes.

users download from shared links from forums and other places without actually contributing anything

GiantRedButton:

It works up to now, however Paypal takes 4 days to set up, so it is rather complicated to circumvent the creditcard requirement.
Big thanks, i hope its still up when i get the account finished. :)
I was pretty annoyed that i couldn't get the deal. Nice :)
(Paypal needs to sent a minor transaction that shows that your account is ledgit. You need to go to the bank and after 4 days the transaction shows up on in your printable history.

Odd, it took us a matter of minutes to set up ours. Of course, different banks operate differently, I suppose.

Distorted Stu:
See video for answer.

I jest! I would buy it, i mean, come on, it's as close as physically possible to being free. AND ITS LEGAL! :o

It gets really hot at the 7 second mark... I jest!!! I swear!!!!1!!!!

Anyway, I'm a virtual hobo, I have no access to money over the internet... :(

Daemascus:
This is really sad. ITS ONE FUCKING CENT. But some people would rather die than spend one more cent than they have to.

You could probably walk outside and find a cent on the ground somewhere. It's not exactly breaking the bank. They're even stealing from a charity, a children's charity no less! They might as well go around punching babies in the face and pouring crude oil over baby seals as they club them!

Okay, maybe just a little over the top there, but you get the point.

Now it's official. All excuses to justify their defiance of basic societal flow and function are now meaningless.

Pirating is not being a rebel against "the man", it's a compulsion.

GiantRedButton:
Note that only people with credit cards can purchase the bundle.
For some kids its simply easier to download it from somewhere else than steal there moms credit card, which are quite rare in some countries.[/b]

But even if you can't buy it that doesn't give anyone the right to pirate software. It's not like you need games to live, games aren't a right for anyone. It always slightly baffles me, companies can charge whatever they want and bundle whatever DRM they want and it's still not ok to steal a copy because if you don't like the terms of the sale you don't buy the product.

But having said that I think I'll have just upped their piracy figures, I downloaded each game for Windows and Linux.

I've found this all pretty interesting.

For the record I paid US$10.50 and bought a few copies for gifting within that figure. I've never played any of these games and quite frankly know next to nothing about any of them and have no idea if they are any good. Plus I'm not a huge fan of digital downloads but its for charity so I didn't care that much. If I really love one of them I might buy a boxed copy.

In return I get some emails with download links. I have a pretty dodgy internet connection so instead of worrying about my modem dropping out I though to myself, I could just get the torrent and when I wake up in the morning all the files will be there and they'll all be perfect and exactly the same as if I'd downloaded from wolfire.com. If anything I saved them bandwidth.

At this point I pondered what exactly was it that I bought. Lets say I buy some kind of trialware program, they give me a serial key which is unique to me, that I put into the program to say 'hey I own this'. With this bundle there is no such thing. If I don't keep my sister's PayPal emails (I wont, also irritating they didn't have Visa payment) there is no way to tell I purchased this EXE or pirated it.

Also one of the friends I gifted it to already has World of Goo, can he now keep the other games and give away/sell World of Goo? If I cut/paste the installer to a friend's HDD does that count? Is it magically illegal if I copy/paste it instead? When I die and I leave all my remaining games to my kids, do they all get a copy or what?

This has really blurred the line between piracy and legitimate ownership. There is no difference between a legal and illegal copy of this bundle. The ownership of said bundle is shaky at best.

Already one my friends I gifted (I don't know how it works for gift recipients) had trouble and couldn't get his games so I told him to just buy it again for a cent or find a download link.

Also I'm on Windows, what happens if later I want the Mac version that I paid for and the link doesn't work anymore? Do I have to download them all now?

In short there are a lot of ownership issues here that while nobody cares now as we are playing our shiny new games, they ultimately are important.

This is all stupid.

Surely they could just put this game bundle up on a torrent site for everyone to freely download and then include a reminder message in the software inviting you to make a donation to the developers and/or their preferred charity.

Isn't this called 'Shareware'?

Besides, any charity worthy of your donation need not be entangled with a software purchase - you know... give to that charity independently?

i bought it for like 2 euro- its awsome- dont pirate it

Rosen reached the 25 percent figure by sending two days of raw download data to a statistician friend of his, who estimated that the bundle had been downloaded from the website roughly 105,500 times, while approximately 79,000 people had made a donation of some amount. Some simple math indicates that about 75 percent of the downloads from the site are legitimate.

I doubt thats entirely accurate. For example, I payed for the games and downloaded 2 in my laptop but then I removed them and downloaded all of them in my desktop PC the day after. According to this, I've payed for the pack once and downloaded it twice. Does that mean I pirated the game?.
This the mail I got when I bought the pack:

Thanks for purchasing the Humble Bundle! To access your DRM-free copies of all of the games on any platform, just follow this link:

Please save this email so that you can download the games again whenever you'd like in the future. Feel free to make local backups though, to save bandwidth.

Not saying this is the case for everyone but saying that you're pirating for downloading from the link you bought is the equivalent of saying I'm pirating steam games if I re-download a game I payed for.

twm1709:

Rosen reached the 25 percent figure by sending two days of raw download data to a statistician friend of his, who estimated that the bundle had been downloaded from the website roughly 105,500 times, while approximately 79,000 people had made a donation of some amount. Some simple math indicates that about 75 percent of the downloads from the site are legitimate.

I doubt thats entirely accurate. For example, I payed for the games and downloaded 2 in my laptop but then I removed them and downloaded all of them in my desktop PC the day after. According to this, I've payed for the pack once and downloaded it twice. Does that mean I pirated the game?.
This the mail I got when I bought the pack:

Thanks for purchasing the Humble Bundle! To access your DRM-free copies of all of the games on any platform, just follow this link:

Please save this email so that you can download the games again whenever you'd like in the future. Feel free to make local backups though, to save bandwidth.

Not saying this is the case for everyone but saying that you're pirating for downloading from the link you bought is the equivalent of saying I'm pirating steam games if I re-download a game I payed for.

To be fair, they're not looking to punish anyone who downloaded them twice. I think they've probably released the figures as food for thought, to illustrate a problem to those in the know. I'd imagine they've logged downloads to different IP addresses for temporary reference but either way this is a great victory for Child's Play and the gamer culture as a whole! Child's Play is one of the best PR opportunities for gamer culture and is a brilliant charity, I've already got World of Goo but I paid for this whole lot anyway just to donate. Their figures are loose and they realise that, but they're brilliant for illustrating a point.

Incidentally this is some of the most ridiculous 'fair use' software I've ever seen, it's almost overly generous and I know I'll probably demo the games to a few (non-gamer) mates to raise awareness.

Releasing these figures has made the pirates defensive, subjected them to pressure and given people a moral incentive to pay for them. I'll be handing my copy of Goo to someone else at uni I think, they'd never buy it on their own but if they have a copy to try out they'll probably look 2dboy up in future. It's worked in the past, a few sales of 'Sins of a Solar Empire' happened because of it actually.

Terramax:

John Funk:

It really blows my mind that pirates don't seem to have a concept of "If you can't afford it, you don't get to have it."

Question:

I used to have to pay up to 100 on a video game soundtrack because the CD was out of print and collectible. And always 2nd hand to boot so none of the money went to the original creators.

I now download these music tracks for free and it's not harming the original publishers/ creators banks because they're not selling it anyway. This, presumably in your eyes, makes me a pirate.

So, in your opinion, should I have to suffer without because I'm more for downloading for free rather than give stupid amounts of money to greedy, opportunist ebay sellers?

I know your quote is more aimed at pirates who download games that are still in print, but it does somewhat irritate me when people lump all free-downloaders into one pot, unable to comprehend that people do it for different reasons, some of which I would say are quite reasonable.

Like you said, downloading things that aren't available is a bit more of a gray area.

But "should I have to suffer"? Really? You're suffering for not having the music on this rare disc? That's being a bit dramatic, don't you think?

twm1709:

Rosen reached the 25 percent figure by sending two days of raw download data to a statistician friend of his, who estimated that the bundle had been downloaded from the website roughly 105,500 times, while approximately 79,000 people had made a donation of some amount. Some simple math indicates that about 75 percent of the downloads from the site are legitimate.

I doubt thats entirely accurate. For example, I payed for the games and downloaded 2 in my laptop but then I removed them and downloaded all of them in my desktop PC the day after. According to this, I've payed for the pack once and downloaded it twice. Does that mean I pirated the game?.
This the mail I got when I bought the pack:

Thanks for purchasing the Humble Bundle! To access your DRM-free copies of all of the games on any platform, just follow this link:

Please save this email so that you can download the games again whenever you'd like in the future. Feel free to make local backups though, to save bandwidth.

Not saying this is the case for everyone but saying that you're pirating for downloading from the link you bought is the equivalent of saying I'm pirating steam games if I re-download a game I payed for.

You are part of the 25% "Pirate" statisic.
So yeah according to the article you are a pirate :D
You raised the downloads by two but the donations only by one.
To the creator of this thread this means your one pirate.
If you downloaded it 3 times your actually 2 pirates.
There should have been a bit more honesty with the numbers, the article heavily suggests that there where 25%
pirates. The numbers presented are in no way related to piracy.
Btw, how long will the bundle still up? Its still some time until my bankaccount is validated with paypal.

None in the original blogs comments even assumed that the 25% where from pirates, i'm sorry but the op should really use numbers less sensationalist.
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Saving-a-penny----pirating-the-Humble-Indie-Bundle

I paid $10. Since I already owned World of Goo and Aquaria.

WHY DO PEOPLE PIRATE A PENNY?!

Well, I'm trying to pay for the bundle but none of the payment processors they offer will allow my to use prepaid credit cards and I have no other way of getting money on the Intarwabes. =(

It's not even like I can seek alternatives with only 4 hours left on the offer.

Not to say I'm going to pirate them, just trying to criticize their limited payment methods.
Seriously, give me a hat to throw the money in and I'll find some change.
Give me the ability to use a prepaid credit card and I'll give them a more substantial amount of money.
Leave me no payment method, I leave them no money.

Or maybe this is just seriously advanced cause and effect I'm scientififying right here and no one else got it. =/

Damn only 4 hours left, i'm not allowed to buy it then because of paypal setup time.
Maybe they'll prolong the donation-drive? http://www.eff.org/ gets part of the sales and that is a great cause.

Hmmmm, perseverance has given the devs $1!
Was trying for closer to 10 as that's what the card's status says it has left, but apparently it either lies, or they like smaller payments better... A mystery it remains.

The cardboard sign asked for $1 though, I can only assume Indie Devs will eat tonight lol.

John Funk:

But "should I have to suffer"? Really? You're suffering for not having the music on this rare disc? That's being a bit dramatic, don't you think?

I suffer in that I know other people are able to listen to the music because they bought the music when it was first released whilst I cannot because I'm not willing to part absurd amounts of money for it.

How is it any worse than the people who paid one cent though? They publishers get no money either way. Not everyone is able to use online payment methods, and they'd pretty much been told that these items are effectively free.

Slightly off topic, but check 1:17 of the video. If the money raised hits $1 million, Gish, Lugaru and Penumbra: Overture will have their source code released. 3 hours remain, and they're $50,000 short. Start blaming your local pirate.

Terramax:
I suffer in that I know other people are able to listen to the music because they bought the music when it was first released whilst I cannot because I'm not willing to part absurd amounts of money for it.

But it's only music. It's going to be ok, it isn't food or water or oxygen, by not having it you aren't really "suffering". I'm sure it sucks, but hey, dem's the breaks. I don't suffer because I look at my neighbors house and he has a great car, swimming pool and all that stuff. Not everything is going to be equal all the time.

Someone just donated 1337$ :)
Thats how i love practical jokes.
Gets us closer to the source-code limit :D

I like how about 90% of the people here don't read.

The article, and links posted by others say it's 25% of all games downloaded from that website.
Apparently people are horrible pirates for using download accelerators, downloading it on multiple computers, giving friends who paid together for the game a link, and whatever else legitimately happened with it.
While some people will have put the download link on websites, those people need to be shot, but not everybody who downloaded the game from such a link might have known they should have paid for it.

That said, while I do pirate games to see if I like them*, indie games are a huge exception. They're the people that could use my money, but unfortunately there's no way for me to pay for those games.(I don't see why I should download something I couldn't pay even if I wanted to)

*I don't trust Demos and Reviews, and if I like the game I'll buy it when it costs as much as I think it's worth.(generally this is 30-40 euros and I often buy the console version, Dragon Age is an exception)

In my opinion, Penumbra: Overture is worth a solid $9.99 all by itself, so one cent? One bloody tiny little couch-borne cent? If that's not the greatest deal since the Orange Box, I don't know what is.

Tell me this is a joke. You could legally get it for almost nothing, for crying out loud!

Flour:

That said, while I do pirate games to see if I like them*, indie games are a huge exception. They're the people that could use my money, but unfortunately there's no way for me to pay for those games.(I don't see why I should download something I couldn't pay even if I wanted to)

*I don't trust Demos and Reviews, and if I like the game I'll buy it when it costs as much as I think it's worth.(generally this is 30-40 euros and I often buy the console version, Dragon Age is an exception)

:\ Let's apply this to say....a supermarket. There's this awesome new candy bar with flashy packaging. You steal it, then decide whether to go back and purchase it depending on whether you enjoyed it or not. That's the kind of attitude you're approving.

I can't stand this sort of self entitled attitude, especially for a non vital luxury for a videogame, it does show a certain decadence and loose morales.
You seem more reasonable then some others who post on this subject, but I really don't approve of your way of thinking >< Ffs, how would ANY of you have survived back in the days before internet made pirating so friggin easy?

Edit:Btw, bioware doesn't really need your money for Dragon age. You'd be helping the gaming industry a lot more if you bought lesser known quality titles rather then the AAA game everyone is buying. Not that I really believe that, Id rather you pay for everything you play, but if you really want to play robin hood.... Give to the poor, not the rich plz.

Edit2: Don't get me started on "I think we should only pay what I think its worth" attitude The emoticon says it all.

I can tell you right now that the price doesnt matter to pirates as much as principal does. Most of them dont pay for something that they dont have to. I follow that to some degree. I dont pirate in an illegal sense but I do buy used games which is just as bad. just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

kevo.mf.last:
just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

I am not contesting this. What I do contest is saying buying used games is just as bad.

Any law students here by any chance to clear this up? I might be proven wrong, but if you buy a physical copy you ARE allowed to sell it as part of your consumer rights I believe.

If it is just as bad,then my local Games are a den of thieves for having a large section of "pre owned games" on sale. Well they are a den of thieves either way, but this makes it more so!

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:
just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

I am not contesting this. What I do contest is saying buying used games is just as bad.

Any law students here by any chance to clear this up? I might be proven wrong, but if you buy a physical copy you ARE allowed to sell it as part of your consumer rights I believe.

If it is just as bad,then my local Games are a den of thieves for having a large section of "pre owned games" on sale. Well they are a den of thieves either way, but this makes it more so!

Im not saying its stealing from a legal standpoint but when you buy a game from gamestop the developers get absolutely mo money from it. Thats the obvious complaint about piracy; that developers are losing money.

This is the best deal since the orange box and people stole it?

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Wow.

kevo.mf.last:

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:
just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

I am not contesting this. What I do contest is saying buying used games is just as bad.

Any law students here by any chance to clear this up? I might be proven wrong, but if you buy a physical copy you ARE allowed to sell it as part of your consumer rights I believe.

If it is just as bad,then my local Games are a den of thieves for having a large section of "pre owned games" on sale. Well they are a den of thieves either way, but this makes it more so!

Im not saying its stealing from a legal standpoint but when you buy a game from gamestop the developers get absolutely mo money from it. Thats the obvious complaint about piracy; that developers are losing money.

But the gaming store profits from it at least, so the money does go somewhere within the gaming industry even if its not where we'd want it.
But I see your point, in the eyes of the dev such a nuance doesn't mean much.

Well... That this is a problem surprises me, I've been used to pre owned games since my earliest gaming days and consider it part of my consumer savvy to be on the lookout for such bargains. As the law approves and gaming stores make finding pre owned stuff really easy (just the other say I restocked my ps2 collection by buying preowned games to replace my old gaming cds which were scratched :S ), I never really questioned whether this was a bad or good thing.

Well, I'll remain neutral on the subject until I know enough for form a real opinion on that topic, but for now I'll stick with a very general: "if its a problem, then game devs should move to change the law accordingly"

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