Who Would Pirate the One-Cent Humble Indie Bundle?

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Frankster:
:\ Let's apply this to say....a supermarket. There's this awesome new candy bar with flashy packaging. You steal it, then decide whether to go back and purchase it depending on whether you enjoyed it or not. That's the kind of attitude you're approving.

You can't compare a physical object with limited availability to an unlimited resource like data.
I'm also not stealing anything because I wouldn't have bought any of it, and I see that I have worded my post a bit wrong. If I don't like the game I uninstall and delete it, using that download as a form of extended demo, something that doesn't show only a single section of the game.

I can't stand this sort of self entitled attitude, especially for a non vital luxury for a videogame, it does show a certain decadence and loose morales.
You seem more reasonable then some others who post on this subject, but I really don't approve of your way of thinking >< Ffs, how would ANY of you have survived back in the days before internet made pirating so friggin easy?

It's something we'll never agree on. Before Napster(lets use that as the start of easy file sharing) I was a console gamer. Napster introduced me to red Alert 2, Black&White, Doom, Half Life and a lot of other games, and basically turned me in a PC gamer. It also 'saved' me from some really bad purchases, mostly in the form of games that wouldn't run on my pc.(not even a real graphics card until we got a new pc in 2002)

Edit:Btw, bioware doesn't really need your money for Dragon age. You'd be helping the gaming industry a lot more if you bought lesser known quality titles rather then the AAA game everyone is buying. Not that I really believe that, Id rather you pay for everything you play, but if you really want to play robin hood.... Give to the poor, not the rich plz.

I would, but unfortunately I don't have a way of paying for those games. Hell, I want about half the action games on Steam, but I'm also not going to download them just to be able to play. The few I did download made me feel like an asshole so I removed them and made it a rule to never download indie games again.

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:
just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

I am not contesting this. What I do contest is saying buying used games is just as bad.

Any law students here by any chance to clear this up? I might be proven wrong, but if you buy a physical copy you ARE allowed to sell it as part of your consumer rights I believe.

If it is just as bad,then my local Games are a den of thieves for having a large section of "pre owned games" on sale. Well they are a den of thieves either way, but this makes it more so!

Im not saying its stealing from a legal standpoint but when you buy a game from gamestop the developers get absolutely mo money from it. Thats the obvious complaint about piracy; that developers are losing money.

But the gaming store profits from it at least, so the money does go somewhere within the gaming industry even if its not where we'd want it.
But I see your point, in the eyes of the dev such a nuance doesn't mean much.

Well... That this is a problem surprises me, I've been used to pre owned games since my earliest gaming days and consider it part of my consumer savvy to be on the lookout for such bargains. As the law approves and gaming stores make finding pre owned stuff really easy (just the other say I restocked my ps2 collection by buying preowned games to replace my old gaming cds which were scratched :S ), I never really questioned whether this was a bad or good thing.

Well, I'll remain neutral on the subject until I know enough for form a real opinion on that topic, but for now I'll stick with a very general: "if its a problem, then game devs should move to change the law accordingly"

the developers are speaking out about it and some are combating it as well:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100606-Used-Game-Sales-are-a-Bigger-Problem-Than-Piracy
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100582-EA-Sports-Unveils-Launch-Day-DLC-Program-Online-Pass

I suck at quote editing so using old fashioned copy pasta.

"You can't compare a physical object with limited availability to an unlimited resource like data.
I'm also not stealing anything because I wouldn't have bought any of it, and I see that I have worded my post a bit wrong. If I don't like the game I uninstall and delete it, using that download as a form of extended demo, something that doesn't show only a single section of the game."

As with all metaphors, it's easy to find holes to poke if you nitpick. And in this case I don't quite see how the nitpick changes anything.
What you say is equivalent to "if i dont like the candy bar, i throw it away and used that stolen bar as a free taster of whether it was good or not", or lets use another metaphor (you can also nitpick this one, but I trust you're intelligent enough to get the message behind it, if not then I guess there is no point using metaphors with you), you torrented a film and if you didn't like it, you uninstall it and forgot about it, saving you from a crappy film. It doesnt change the fact you "cheated" to see that pirate film/tried the candy bar/ played the game, circumventing the law to suit YOUR needs. Uninstalling the game/film or throwing away the candy bar after doesnt change that.

"It's something we'll never agree on. Before Napster(lets use that as the start of easy file sharing) I was a console gamer. Napster introduced me to red Alert 2, Black&White, Doom, Half Life and a lot of other games, and basically turned me in a PC gamer. It also 'saved' me from some really bad purchases, mostly in the form of games that wouldn't run on my pc.(not even a real graphics card until we got a new pc in 2002)"

I don't see your point. You would have become a pc gamer eventually anyways, and I was more or less in exact same situation as you when I was 16 ish and my comp savy mate said he could get me any of the amazing pc games he showed me for free.
I didn't go down that path, and continued being a console gamer for a few years, only recently have I become a pc gamer and I've made up for lost time (found most of the old classics that I would have pirated on good old games.com, AWESOME SITE).
If I did like you, I'd have become a pc gamer sooner, but it would have been through a wrong (in my eyes) way.
That pirating acted as an early bridge for you to get into PC gaming is NOT a justification, rather a positive experience which seems to explain your current attitude.
As for saving you from bad purchases, thats life! It's luck of the trade and its happened to me a few times when I'd buy a game and it wouldnt play on my pc.
If my memory serves me correctly, those I couldnt return to the shop I kept around and even got some working later, others just serve as coffee mats :(

Yeah we really won't be agreeing any time soon, in the same situation we have reacted totally differently and what you see as reasons, I see as excuses.

"I would, but unfortunately I don't have a way of paying for those games. Hell, I want about half the action games on Steam, but I'm also not going to download them just to be able to play. The few I did download made me feel like an asshole so I removed them and made it a rule to never download indie games again."

I'm glad you do show some restraint, you're not a lost cause like some others I've seen.
By "don't have a way of paying for those games" I assume you mean you don't have the money, to which I reply: tough luck, and now we are back to the bad self entitled attitude which really doesn't do you any favors ><
But was your conscience playing on you because they were indie games? It is easier to steal from a faceless corporation after all, and easier to justify in your own mind since proportionally you are doing less overall damage and...Ok im gonna stop here, and say briefly: look up psycholgy treaties on thiefs and stealing in general.
For someone to steal they must justify the act in their own minds, and pretty much every reason or argument you have enunciated are known mental tricks to make the act of stealing easy (now your comment about limited data/physical copy makes sense! It wasnt actually nitpicking but a mental trick)
Im not joking, go out and research the subject, and see if you don't recognize yourself in it.

Anyways, thats enough of a TL DR, I get the impression you are a person with a minimum of morales, but the easy to justify nature of game pirating(aswell as positive early experiences) has weakened your integrity enough for you to dabble in it.

kevo.mf.last:

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:
[quote="Frankster" post="7.193955.6181675"][quote="kevo.mf.last" post="7.193955.6181452"]just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

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the developers are speaking out about it and some are combating it as well:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100606-Used-Game-Sales-are-a-Bigger-Problem-Than-Piracy
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100582-EA-Sports-Unveils-Launch-Day-DLC-Program-Online-Pass

Seems the increasingly online nature of games might offer a partial solution to this problem. An alternative I can think off would be for game devs to touch royalties whenever a game is resold to a 2nd customer.

Well, looks like I'll have learnt something today then, cheers for the education ^^

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:

Frankster:

kevo.mf.last:
[quote="Frankster" post="7.193955.6181675"][quote="kevo.mf.last" post="7.193955.6181452"]just because you pay someone for something doesnt mean your not stealing.

snip

the developers are speaking out about it and some are combating it as well:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100606-Used-Game-Sales-are-a-Bigger-Problem-Than-Piracy
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100582-EA-Sports-Unveils-Launch-Day-DLC-Program-Online-Pass

Seems the increasingly online nature of games might offer a partial solution to this problem. An alternative I can think off would be for game devs to touch royalties whenever a game is resold to a 2nd customer.

Well, looks like I'll have learnt something today then, cheers for the education ^^

I dont think gamestop is evil, but they try to encourage people to buy there games used from them and then trade the games back in for other used games. I dont remember what the program is called but to me it seems like they are trying to cut out the developers as much as possible and could destroy the foundation of the products there trying to sell.

*cheers*

I don't think it's that surprising. I mean, it's a pay what you want system. The fact of the matter is that if you only need to pay 0.01 cent, why would someone who could pirate it go to the trouble of using a credit card. The fact of the matter is that when its comes to pirates, it's not about money, its the sheer convenience of it all. Being someone who has pirated games (but I then went and bought the games anyway) I can say that the ability to click a link rather then pay is very tempting. It's not about the cost, it's about general lazyness. Also, chances are a majority of pirates are not of credit card carrying age (at least I'm not) and I really don't feel like asking my parents to pay for anything with a credit card, or doing anything for me for that matter. They think they spoil me already and I barely make them buy me anything.

So it's really just lazyness. That, and in some cases, people who aren't really gamers might download it, play it for a week, and then throw it away. I don't really like buying stuff cause I am not confident in my ability to enjoy games, and I don't want to spend 60 bucks (or even 1 cent) on something I will hate.

I am not justifying anything or anyone, least of all myself, I am just providing information. So don't hate on me. I'm just the messenger. I don't even know what this game is.

In here, it's not a cakewalk to get a credit card. I'm actually the only one in my group of gamer friends who has one. There's often a yearly fee, you need to be 18, and you need to drag your ass to a bank in order to get one. I only got mine because I was apparently some kind of a 'special' member at my bank, and got a credit card without any fees for X amount of years.

But even with that, most of us pirates are just thieves. Trying to justify piracy is a very, very high form of pretension.

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

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John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.

If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.

You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.

I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.

You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?

Don't backpedal

All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.

For me it remains most.

There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?

I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.

You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?

There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.

Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.

Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.

And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.

Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.

I don't really know what to say about this? Either, the people pirating this particle game are unaware that this game only cost a penny, because of a difference in language maybe? Or the person stealing it has just gotten so used to stealing software, that they have gotten into a pattern of stealing insanity, and now can't stop. Not even for a penny. Sad really.

what's an indie game? heard it thrown around here so much.

I really think that calling piracy by the name "piracy" was a terrible idea. Should have given it a name that sounded insulting, rather than cool.

You know, like internet cock-jockery. I can guarantee you that very few people would visit a site called internetcockjockerybay.

lee1287:
what's an indie game? heard it thrown around here so much.

Short for independent game. Basically, they're games that are made without a publisher footing the bill for development. Since they don't have the money to go with flashy stuff, they generally revolve heavily around gameplay and quality presentation, rather than eye candy.

In theory, anyways. Some of them are quite good (Braid is a good example), but there are also some bad ones. In general, though, the ones you hear about will be fairly enjoyable.

Kids without access to credit cards. And jerks.

xqxm:
Kids without access to credit cards. And jerks.

Agreed here. Also people who have paid but want to save bandwidth on the site... No that's bullshit. It's just jerks. I mean seriously its under 1 british penny and people are fucking pirating it? I'd rather pay the full price for these awesome games than see some twat who could have used 1 cent to help out a charity. Even a small help to something is a help nonetheless. Twats.

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

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John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.

If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.

You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.

I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.

You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?

Don't backpedal

All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.

For me it remains most.

There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?

I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.

You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?

There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.

Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.

Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.

And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.

Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.

I'm a troll?

You're the one spouting controversial nonsense, and now you just revealed you've been playing devil's advocate the whole time, because you're not even a pirate!

That's a freaking troll if I've ever seen one.

If you buy the bundle for 1 cent you are as bad as the pirates.

Baby Tea:
I don't know. Every pirate I've talked to said they only use piracy to combat DRM, lack of demos, and high prices!

Your sarcasm aside, I can count one one hand the amount of pirates I've seen who just out and out admitted that they pirated because they didn't want to pay for it. Kind of refreshing, really.

Zulu-Echo14:
If you buy the bundle for 1 cent you are as bad as the pirates.

That reminds me of the guys who come into every piracy thread trying to equate buying used games to piracy. I have yet to see it work.

The point is that they could get the game for as little as one cent, but choose to gank it anyway.

[accidental double post]

What about people who don't have paypal? :| I know plenty of people who don't trust online buying.

Not saying it's a good thing to do, just saying it's not necessaryily a question of pricing here.

I bought it myself for 20$ just so people don't get the wrong impression.

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

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John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.

If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.

You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.

I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.

You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?

Don't backpedal

All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.

For me it remains most.

There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?

I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.

You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?

There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.

Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.

Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.

And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.

Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.

I'm a troll?

You're the one spouting controversial nonsense, and now you just revealed you've been playing devil's advocate the whole time, because you're not even a pirate!

That's a freaking troll if I've ever seen one.

Guess you haven't seen one then. I don't think Marijuana should be illegal, that doesn't mean I smoke it, nor do I plan to. I'm an atheist (somewhat) too and I protect peoples belief in god or religion. To be frank I often argue things both ways, not for lack of opinion but because I actually think its important to see all sides of the picture instead of simply insisting that you're right and they're wrong. For me the defining attribute of a troll is ignorant posters who don't care to justify their opinion adaquately nor care to listen to others (examples if you care = "Halo sucks" "lol fag" etc, note that I don't much care provided they're somewhat justified). Perhaps I'm wrong but hey, that would just mean I can finally crawl back under my bridge without fear.

Why should being the devils advocate change my argument anyway? Because your accusations didn't land? Really not too sure.

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

John Funk:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.

Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.

An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.

If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.

You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.

I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.

You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?

Don't backpedal

All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.

For me it remains most.

There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?

I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.

You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?

There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.

Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.

Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.

And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.

Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.

I'm a troll?

You're the one spouting controversial nonsense, and now you just revealed you've been playing devil's advocate the whole time, because you're not even a pirate!

That's a freaking troll if I've ever seen one.

Guess you haven't seen one then. I don't think Marijuana should be illegal, that doesn't mean I smoke it, nor do I plan to. I'm an atheist (somewhat) too and I protect peoples belief in god or religion. To be frank I often argue things both ways, not for lack of opinion but because I actually think its important to see all sides of the picture instead of simply insisting that you're right and they're wrong. For me the defining attribute of a troll is ignorant posters who don't care to justify their opinion adaquately nor care to listen to others (examples if you care = "Halo sucks" "lol fag" etc, note that I don't much care provided they're somewhat justified). Perhaps I'm wrong but hey, that would just mean I can finally crawl back under my bridge without fear.

Why should being the devils advocate change my argument anyway? Because your accusations didn't land? Really not too sure.

I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.

By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.

Maybe the pirates just didn't realise that they COULD play only 1 cent for it. After all, it didn't explicitly say "Only 1 cent," At least as far as I can tell - It said "Pay What You Want." I guessing that the pirats thought "Hey, there's probably still a cap or something - Fuck that, I'm stealing this shit!"
Maybe they've just got cleptomania. Maybe they just don't want to give their credit details. Maybe they just like the challange or something. Who knows?

danpascooch:

Kurokami:
hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes

I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.

By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.

Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.

I have great respect for good games and their developers, the fact that I dislike games with no originality or thought put into them surprises you? If you're hoping to become a game developer than good luck to you. I hope you make some good games and then I will happily give you my money. If you make shit games however, I will be lumping you into the category of money snatchers/worthless grit, which I think is fair as you'd be judging me the same way, I'm sure.

In any case, thanks for enabling my procrastination till now. Next time try and reply to what people post instead of replying to your own made up nonsense. =]

(oh yeah, that smiley's gonna piss you off)

Seriously though, good luck in becoming a developer. These games I simply despise don't feel as though they're created by gamers.

It's cause they are donating to charity, pirates hate the children (like me *evil laugh*).

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:
hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes

I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.

By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.

Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.

I have great respect for good games and their developers, the fact that I dislike games with no originality or thought put into them surprises you? If you're hoping to become a game developer than good luck to you. I hope you make some good games and then I will happily give you my money. If you make shit games however, I will be lumping you into the category of money snatchers/worthless grit, which I think is fair as you'd be judging me the same way, I'm sure.

In any case, thanks for enabling my procrastination till now. Next time try and reply to what people post instead of replying to your own made up nonsense. =]

(oh yeah, that smiley's gonna piss you off)

Seriously though, good luck in becoming a developer. These games I simply despise don't feel as though they're created by gamers.

Let me quote you:

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do.

Yeah, I can see the great respect there, funny, you didn't say anything about the game developer's quality in that quote, just "most" nor did you say that you respect good game developers.

So yeah, I was replying to you posting that most game developers are basically money grabbing pricks, maybe instead of accusing me of responding to "my own nonsense" in such a way that makes you look like an even bigger jackass than everyone already thinks you are, you should remember what you posted just a few days ago.

So I guess Homeless people pirated it? Some proceeds to Charity? Wow, are you happy with your life?

Well, this could be partly falsified because maybe two friends both put in half the cost towards whatever they paid, and they both shared the downloads, or a single person downloading the game on multiple computers for their own use. However, I don't think that's enough to cover all 25%. It's just kind of disheartening that people would steal something that costs a penny.

Feylynn:
Well, I'm trying to pay for the bundle but none of the payment processors they offer will allow my to use prepaid credit cards and I have no other way of getting money on the Intarwabes. =(

It's not even like I can seek alternatives with only 4 hours left on the offer.

Not to say I'm going to pirate them, just trying to criticize their limited payment methods.
Seriously, give me a hat to throw the money in and I'll find some change.
Give me the ability to use a prepaid credit card and I'll give them a more substantial amount of money.
Leave me no payment method, I leave them no money.

Or maybe this is just seriously advanced cause and effect I'm scientififying right here and no one else got it. =/

If you'd like, you can PM me your email and I'll buy you a giftable code.
They extended it a bit because of things going open source I think.

Edit: Neverrrmind, read more and saw you already got it.
Double edit: My offer still stands for anyone who doesn't have a credit card or something and can't buy it with the available options.

Probably people without a credit card or people for who the method of purchase is otherwise difficult along with people simply too used to pirating shit. I doubt that it's really a case of "these poor, sad children aren't getting a penny of mine!" for most people.

I bought this for $5 despite having no desire to play any of the games, I just support what they are doing.

TazTheTerrible:
Probably people without a credit card or people for who the method of purchase is otherwise difficult along with people simply too used to pirating shit. I doubt that it's really a case of "these poor, sad children aren't getting a penny of mine!" for most people.

I said that, gave all my money to the developers. I'm already doing enough for charity.

GiantRedButton:
Note that only people with credit cards can purchase the bundle.
For some kids its simply easier to download it from somewhere else than steal there moms credit card, which are quite rare in some countries.
I'm sure there are some hard workarounds, but those are rather...hard.
More important, what a great deal, alot more interesting than the piracy discussion so thanks for that info
too :D
I'll try to buy it really hard, but note that i don't have a credit card. I'll edit the results.
Maybe the pirates had no other possible option then to pirate.
Edit: Up to now, no possibilty to buy the games. Has anyone an idea to cirumvent the creditcard requirement?
In germany 22.7% of people own a credit card, none of the in my family or me.
So i can't pay for it even if i wan't to.
I guess thats the reason then, the pirates CAN'T buy the bundle, they aren't cheapskates.

Also, in this statistic, if your download stops and you restart the download, you count as a pirate.
They have a ftp server, no donation required.
The just compared the number of downloads with the donations, downloads being 25% higher.
So: (edit)
If you internet connection dies and you redownload, you're a Pirate.
In this statistic anyway. And if you pay 50$ and download it on every family computer, you are 4 or 5 pirates, all in one person.

You are right, i had to go back and redownload two games that got corrupted due to my wireless connection dropping during a thunderstorm ( i know awesome!)so that means i pirated the game on my second try? I donated good amount and since its a a charity i donated more than what all the games together would cost, around $20. I also got 2 of my friends to get it, while 2 other friends got me to buy it. I love these indie devs, i truly hope they atleast get their daily bread from the people that pay for their games, which are of course awesome. Anyway, if you havent donated, if you can only afford $5 bucks, just do it. My friend only had a few dollars in his account, donated $1 and later this week came back and donated another $15, because he is an iphone app developer and he knows how much work goes into this.

rant rant rant...

Just got it for $5 and its awesome

The rationale of some pirates is that information is free, as it can be distributed freely.

This is an exception as it is more of a donation. Only people with credit cards can participate though, which makes piracy still a viable option.

And as you see, the free information movement (Linux users) donate 50% more than Mac or Windows users.

danpascooch:

Kurokami:

danpascooch:

Kurokami:
hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes

I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.

By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.

Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.

I have great respect for good games and their developers, the fact that I dislike games with no originality or thought put into them surprises you? If you're hoping to become a game developer than good luck to you. I hope you make some good games and then I will happily give you my money. If you make shit games however, I will be lumping you into the category of money snatchers/worthless grit, which I think is fair as you'd be judging me the same way, I'm sure.

In any case, thanks for enabling my procrastination till now. Next time try and reply to what people post instead of replying to your own made up nonsense. =]

(oh yeah, that smiley's gonna piss you off)

Seriously though, good luck in becoming a developer. These games I simply despise don't feel as though they're created by gamers.

Let me quote you:

Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do.

Yeah, I can see the great respect there, funny, you didn't say anything about the game developer's quality in that quote, just "most" nor did you say that you respect good game developers.

So yeah, I was replying to you posting that most game developers are basically money grabbing pricks, maybe instead of accusing me of responding to "my own nonsense" in such a way that makes you look like an even bigger jackass than everyone already thinks you are, you should remember what you posted just a few days ago.

I don't see the problem with saying most, I thought we clarified that I dislike the developers of games I consider complete rubbish, sure I may have exaggerated the number slightly by use of the word but I still don't see how that means I don't hold a high respect for the position of game developers. You seem to be tripping over reasons to hate me, when you accused me the first 2 times of being a pirate I atleast took the time to correct your mistake, I only called you a moron/troll the third time, which I'd have reconsidered had you not made me repeat myself and already decided this thread was an oppertunity to insult me. Tell you what, I'll admit my first post may have been a bit inflamatory and my stance misleading (somehow), and I've apologised for and corrected it in other posts. Now if you could admit that you've simply taken this whole thing personally I'd be happy to stop flooding this thread with our little quarrel. I've got some doubts as to whether you'll do that though, so I think I will be stopping with this after this post. Feel free to flood my message box however.

EDIT (note that the only reason I don't completely eradicate the pre-edit is because you can see it regardless in your messages and should you choose to respond to that one people'll be able to see what you're talking about):

I just looked into your previous posts, to varify that you're just some arsehole who's out for blood, and having done that I'm gonna take back my moron/troll comment. My opinion and stance remain the same, and I still think you seemed to have jumped to make this personal against me, but I shouldn't have insulted your credibility or intelligence based only on this thread.

The actual percentage of pirating is probably in the realm of 5%. I know that I had to download several of the games multiple times to get them to work correctly on my silly computer.

Frankster:
I suck at quote editing so using old fashioned copy pasta.

I find quotes are relatively important as they allow users you've quoted to respond with ease (in case you didn't know, a quotation appears in the message box making it very simply to adress).

you simply need to type in

personname:
[quote=" personsname "]The message, and remember no spaces[/ quote]

The simplest way to address multiple quotes is to press the quote button at the bottom right corner of each message, then cut out what you want from the message and what not.

Don't this instruction as condescending, as said above I simply feel quoting is important on forums.

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