Final Fantasy VII Remake Pushed Even Further From Possibility

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tellmeimaninja:

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

HELL THE FUCK YES.

Seriously, Final Fantasy VII was... decent for it's time. Remaking it brings nothing new to gaming in general.

Yes, we need more compelling and inventive games, like Halo 3! Because that game was nothing like it's predecessor and brought an an entire new concept to gaming. I mean, space marines killing aliens!? OMG! Or what about Street Fighter 4. It's FIGHTING.. in the STREETS! That's never been done before. Or heck, even SE's most recent game, Nier. A 3rd person action game where you fight monsters with a variety of weapons and go on quests for townspeople. Never been done before! We can't go around remaking games people want when there's so much new and interesting stuff to be done.

I think they just don't want to. They seem to have gotten it in their head somehow that gamers are all about the good graphics. It's true, good graphics are nice and all, graphics rarely make the game.

It took 3-4 years for them to make XIII and that was mostly just the graphics and level design. They could probably remake VII in about as much time by simply upgrading the graphics just enough to barely be considered current gen. They don't have to go all out.

Irridium:
Sony managed to beef up the first 2 God of War games just fine.

Hell they don't need to completely remake the thing, just, well do what they did with God of War 1 and 2. Upgrade the graphics, add some trophies, and bam, you got millions upon millions of copies sold.

I really doubt that 40 year development time. I think he's just sick of people asking him about it.

I don't think it's quite that simple; the difference between GoW and it's "update" was only 4 years, barely one system generation. You're asking for a quick and dirty graphical update, but the game is almost 15 friggin' years old. It's going to take way more effort than just smoothing out some jaggies here and there.

That said, I'm entirely in favor of what you propose here. A new coat of paint and a few trophies, and they can gladly take my $$$.

Did he just openly admit that FFXIII was an incredibly shallow game? I mean, logically the only way his comment would make sense was if FFXIII had 10% of the content in FFVII. I didn't think it was THAT bad.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it... Their story, not the game. There's no way it takes 14 years, 40 is just pulling lies out their ass. It can take no longer to remake FF7 than it takes to make any current FF game. 3-4 years, believable. More than that, get fucking real.

After all, they have ALL the conceptual work done for them. Story, characters, locations, monsters, spells, combat system, it's all there. All they need is models and rendering, with some programming thrown in. Ultimately, that's the easiest and quickest aspect of development. Any starving college codemonkey can crank out software for hours on end. So again, I say bullshit. Starting a game from scratch can't possibly take less time than starting a game with everything handed to you on a silver fucking platter.

Oh, and I don't give two shits about a graphical reworking. Oh, I'd buy it, but if they'd just port FF7 to DS I'd be happy enough with that.

Thunderhorse31:

Irridium:
Sony managed to beef up the first 2 God of War games just fine.

Hell they don't need to completely remake the thing, just, well do what they did with God of War 1 and 2. Upgrade the graphics, add some trophies, and bam, you got millions upon millions of copies sold.

I really doubt that 40 year development time. I think he's just sick of people asking him about it.

I don't think it's quite that simple; the difference between GoW and it's "update" was only 4 years, barely one system generation. You're asking for a quick and dirty graphical update, but the game is almost 15 friggin' years old. It's going to take way more effort than just smoothing out some jaggies here and there.

That said, I'm entirely in favor of what you propose here. A new coat of paint and a few trophies, and they can gladly take my $$$.

Yeah your probably right. I'm pretty sure the enviornments (or most of them) were 2D backgrounds. It would be a big undertaking to make it all 3D, but it shouldn't take 40 years.

Just to pick up on something he said.

To make FF XIII took us 3 to 4 years for this level of quality.

To make FF VII at the same level would take TWENTY-EIGHT years.

So either he's just admitted that Final Fantasy VII is a much better and much more in-depth game than FFXIII, or he's just jerking the fans off.

I know he hates us, but does he have to make it so obvious?

Lvl 64 Klutz:
Did he just openly admit that FFXIII was an incredibly shallow game? I mean, logically the only way his comment would make sense was if FFXIII had 10% of the content in FFVII. I didn't think it was THAT bad.

Yeah pretty much. He said SE can't make a game the size and complexity of FF7 in less than half a century. They can only make pretty hallways and even that takes years. Also, in sheer scope, FF13 probably had maybe 5-10% the content of 7. Midgar alone was larger and more elaborate than FF13's entire play length.

Sylveria:

tellmeimaninja:

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

HELL THE FUCK YES.

Seriously, Final Fantasy VII was... decent for it's time. Remaking it brings nothing new to gaming in general.

Yes, we need more compelling and inventive games, like Halo 3! Because that game was nothing like it's predecessor and brought an an entire new concept to gaming. I mean, space marines killing aliens!? OMG! Or what about Street Fighter 4. It's FIGHTING.. in the STREETS! That's never been done before. Or heck, even SE's most recent game, Nier. A 3rd person action game where you fight monsters with a variety of weapons and go on quests for townspeople. Never been done before! We can't go around remaking games people want when there's so much new and interesting stuff to be done.

Because remakes are so much more original than sequels!

I find 40 years to be hard to believe. However, I'm not exactly holding my breath to get a FFVII remake. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a remake with a pretty paint job and maybe some of the supposedly unfinished plotlines getting tied up, but if there were any Square games that I wanted to see get a remake it would be Chrono Trigger/Cross.

Either way, there are enough great games coming out now that I can live without any redos.

40 years? Sounds bully to me.

Ok.. if it would take 40 years to remake FFVII, a game thats already done and people could work from, does that mean it'll take 80 years to make a new game? Have they been working on FFXIII since the early 1900's?

Besides FFVII wasnt even that great of a game. Why dont we ask for new games, not games to be remade. Would people really rather play FFVII again instead a new, possibly better, game? I still have my copy of FFVII, I dont need a remake. Give me Agito or Versus, god damn.

I'm just gonna say it's a shame to all parties.

FF7 was one of the most important games of my childhood, and when I think of kids being raised today on FFXIII, it makes me puke at how low Squeenix has sunk. Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

I'm positive that they could've put out a remake INSTEAD of all the shit they've been doing for the past 5 years because:
1) They definitely have Character animation and voice acting down - Look at FFXIII, that was arguably the only good thing about the game.
2) They definitely have the technology to make big world maps - Look at FFXII.

The fact is, Square doesn't have the mojo anymore, or the magic, or whatever you call it. They're admitting right here that they'll never make a game good enough for me to play again.
An FF7 remake would be great not only for fans, but for new generations of gamers who didn't experience it back in the 90's. Gone is the time when JRPG's were actually respected and gaming required more than just "press X not to die."

40 years huh?

I personally hate the new character design base anyway so it would basically destroy the game anyway

Reading through the first few posts, then skipping the rest to get strait to MY opinion, I can mostly agree with the ones the ones that are crying BS, and also the ones who want them to make different games instead of continuing to wank off in the faces of all the CloudXSephiroth fangirls (because none can ever be even marginally be referred to as "boys again). First off, SE, you've got a story, concept art, mechanics, engine, even most of the voice actors if you just re-use whoever worked on Advent and Dirge and so on, so don't give us this crap about it taking 10 times as long as XIII if you only have to do about 1/4 of the work. Besides, even if it did take that long, most of the afformentioned fangirls would happily crawl out of their graves, fight through 50 guys with chainsaws stuck on their arms, climb Mount Everest, and suck off the descrated mummy of King Tut to even catch a glimpse of your remake, let alone buy the 18 copies the were planning on getting anyway. HOW DOES IT NOT SEEM LIKE THE IDEAL PRODUCT THEN? Don't try to make an excuses like "we'd need to add more content to keep people happy". People would buy it even if you added a periferal that kicks them in the crotch every time they press a button. Listen to me, I DIDN"T EVEN LIKE THE GAME THAT MUCH, yet I'm the first one to say that it makes sense from a pure financial standpoint. I would much rather like that they choose to invest in new titlee like Versus XII or Kingdom Hearts III, but when you could easily shatter sales records with an army of slobbering fan-zombies, why wouldn't you?

(ignore my spelling, I was rushed)

Square, if you don't want to do it, just say you don't want to do it, stop acting like it is some immortal bit of perfection that can't possibly be touched with anything less than the wood of the true cross. It was a decent but not great JRPG, with a plot-hole laden story full of random twists and turns, characters were broadly drawn stereotypes, and gameplay offers nothing. The only thing remarkable about it is the way people seem to think all of civilization peaked at it.

Although, this does bring up a point, Square has a bad habit of overmaking it's games, and thinking that everything has to be bigger and bigger and spread across three discs with amazing cinematics and every villain turning into an elaborate demon the size of the moon and then finding out they can't possibly flesh out the whole thing halfway through the game. (The way they ruined Grandia III made me cry)

I had a thought, what if this is part of a clever marketing ploy? They make the game seem more and more of an impossibility, then suddenly one day they announce it as official. Think about it.

Tom Goldman:

On the Final Fantasy VII remake this time, Kitase said: "To make FFXIII at this level of quality, it took us 3 to 4 years. If we were to make FFVII in the same style of FFXIII, it would take 10 times as long." Forget fourteen years, a current generation Final Fantasy VII would take forty years to put together! That's older than someone's dad.

Source: Andriasang

Good Question.
If you were Leonardo Da Vinci: Wouldn't that piss you off to be continuously ask for a new Mona Lisa? Final Fantasy 7 is done... no need to do it full 3d. Beside, there also the possibility that none of the work crew on 7 return for the remake. That really bad. Remember The Twins Snakes? Well Kojima check them now and again but was mostly uninvolved. Silicon Knight turn it into the "Matrix 4 - So far stuck his own Rabbit Hole"

AboveUp:

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

Completely agreed. That or a new franchise, rather than a remake.

Also, why would FF7 take so long to remake? All the set pieces are already there, heck they're using upgraded models of the characters in the Kingdom Hearts series already. Not to mention the models from Advent Children...

I call bullshit.

Agreed. With both persons. I mean, I can see the game taking a long fucking time to do, maybe four or five years depending on how much detail they put into the background and scenery and whatnot, but no way would that take forty.
And I'd rather see something new anyway. And possibly good. Been a long time since I enjoyed a game in the Final Fantasy series.

I call bullshit. 40 years? Thats outrageous. If they said 3 years, fine as long as it looks great. They're just afraid it won't appeal to the mass market.

I consider myself fortunate that the RPGs I grew up with have fans that are so hardcore that they take it upon their own initiative to remake the games into updated releases. Fans of Quest For Glory II: Trial By Fire gained access to the engine of a later game, updating the graphics, battle system and converting from text-parser to point-and-click interface. Also, Ultima V and Ultima VI have been completely revamped as a mod to the Dungeon Siege engine, and I've heard rumours that Ultima IX is being completely re-written as a fan-fiction mod in the Morrowind engine, and will pretend the actual Ultima IX didn't happen, in order to give the series a send-off that the fans can enjoy.

I guess Final Fantasy fans aren't quite so pro-active.

*sniff sniff* I smell bullshit. I think they are just saying this to get people off their backs. But i can't see how a Final Fantasy VII remake would take longer than what Final Fantasy XIII did seeing as they already have all the concept art they can even use stuff from Advent Children, they have the script and the game design.

But i also remember reading somewhere that Squeenix were finally considering a remake for Final Fantasy VII somewhere down the line. They could just be saying this to get people leave them be then possibly start development on it after Final Fantasy XIV (is that the roman numeral for 14? *shrugs*) or Final Fantasy XV because they already have idea's for XV so they could wait until after that, but then again that article of the Final Fantasy VII remake i read could have also been bullshit.

On second thought I have a solution for Square-Enix. Since they want to make more western styles games, how about selling Final Fantasy back to Hironobu Sakaguchi and let him make good Final Fantasy's and Mistwalker will make a remake of Final Fantasy VII without a second thought. I love Final Fantasy but I have to admit that I hated Final Fantasy XII and I thought Final Fantasy XIII was ok but look at them and look at the ones Hironobu Sakaguchi worked on, he made sure those games were good.

Call this wishful thinking but I kind of think they may be trying to buy time with these overblown statements. No way would it take 40 years but they haven't figured out exactly how they could re-create the mechanics of the "over-world" system. I would bet money that one day somewhere down the line Sqeenix will do this and when they do they will have more money than they know what to do with. I would expect to hear something around the 20th anniversary of the original game, 2017.

I just want some things other than Final Fantasy to get some real attention from Square. YOU HAVE A TON OF OTHER FRANCHISES, DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.

That or give me my FF5 DS remake.

Or can Wada and put someone that actually cares about videogames in charge.

ResiEvalJohn:
I'm just gonna say it's a shame to all parties.

FF7 was one of the most important games of my childhood, and when I think of kids being raised today on FFXIII, it makes me puke at how low Squeenix has sunk. Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

I'm positive that they could've put out a remake INSTEAD of all the shit they've been doing for the past 5 years because:
1) They definitely have Character animation and voice acting down - Look at FFXIII, that was arguably the only good thing about the game.
2) They definitely have the technology to make big world maps - Look at FFXII.

The fact is, Square doesn't have the mojo anymore, or the magic, or whatever you call it. They're admitting right here that they'll never make a game good enough for me to play again.
An FF7 remake would be great not only for fans, but for new generations of gamers who didn't experience it back in the 90's. Gone is the time when JRPG's were actually respected and gaming required more than just "press X not to die."

I can't help but agree completely with what you just said. I'm actually reminded of the other day when I was playing...you know what? I don't even feel like sarcasm.

First off, how many games rely on one single button? None. Stop belittling the work that developers put into their games. If you don't like shooters that's fine but don't put down the people who make good games or the people who enjoy them to stroke your own ego.

Second, stop getting your "witty comments" from Zero Punctuation. Most people on this site have already heard them, laughed, and moved on. Yahtzee is funny and he occasionally stumbles on to an interesting point about gaming, but his points only naturally occur in jokes. When you try to use them as actual arguments you just sound like a pretentious idiot.

Finally, apologize to anyone who might have actually had their opinion changed by reading your post. Inform them that you are entirely wrong you apologize for misleading them, even as poorly as you did.

...Maybe that's why games are lacking in content these days, it would take an eternity to make them with current gen graphics.

Buccura:
I had a thought, what if this is part of a clever marketing ploy? They make the game seem more and more of an impossibility, then suddenly one day they announce it as official. Think about it.

Unlikely. There will be, and that no matter how much polish the game would be, a major backlash. Anything remade has been shot down. So why make a new one for the sake of nothing. Beside, I'll prefer (If i were them) pushing FF7 on virtual Console instead of wasting Billion and years of work to be call for something that is basically a nostalgia goggle trip.

EMO_of_LiGHT:
DOES IT NOT SEEM LIKE THE IDEAL PRODUCT THEN? Don't try to make an excuses like "we'd need to add more content to keep people happy". People would buy it even if you added a peripheral that kicks them in the crotch every time they press a button. Listen to me, I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE THE GAME THAT MUCH, yet I'm the first one to say that it makes sense from a pure financial standpoint.

Nobody want to be a one trick pony. Imagine Leonardo Da Vinci: Wouldn't that piss you off to be continuously ask for a new Mona Lisa? It more than feasible... but do they want it? Also, remake are considered (or bash) by those ... how do you call them? Fangirls. It will never touch the original because of nostalgia and will end up in the local bin with FFXIII. And there fact that you can't make a remake without improvement. Not, let that game have a spot in our memory and the disk safely buried in the video game cemetery.

Yes, I am preety sure he is exaggerating for the sake of forcing people to leave him alone.

I am actually kind of mixed on the subject of a FF VII remake. On one hand, I would LOVE to see it remade, especially considering they have been making a trend of remaking their older titles. Even if not all people view it as a good title, there is more then enough people who are interested in seeing it remade.

On the other, however, I seriously doubt they would ever release the remake on the PC, even though the original was (hence why it has a special place in my heart). Sure, it was a shoddy port...but at least it was there. But seeing how Square gave up on ports after 8, I seriously doubt the new Square Enix will be willing to change that policy.

30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

Sylveria:

tellmeimaninja:

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

HELL THE FUCK YES.

Seriously, Final Fantasy VII was... decent for it's time. Remaking it brings nothing new to gaming in general.

Yes, we need more compelling and inventive games, like Halo 3! Because that game was nothing like it's predecessor and brought an an entire new concept to gaming. I mean, space marines killing aliens!? OMG! Or what about Street Fighter 4. It's FIGHTING.. in the STREETS! That's never been done before. Or heck, even SE's most recent game, Nier. A 3rd person action game where you fight monsters with a variety of weapons and go on quests for townspeople. Never been done before! We can't go around remaking games people want when there's so much new and interesting stuff to be done.

When your done with your tantrum, hear me out.
They can do what they want. Square as clearly no intention of doing anything remotely FF7. Nostalgia is the only thing you see in this game and the effect of seeing it again will just turn your admiration into a Nerd Rage. Like i did back in the day when i booted up MGS-TTS and i saw the cutscene. As for those game.

Halo: Halo had a narrative that spawn from the first and ended with the third. Except for the multiplayers, nobody is foolish enough to buy the new one for the story. That is, until they found a clever way to bring Master Chief... but i doubt it.

Street Fighter: That a competitive game. You boot it up when you want a good time and with the advent of Console Online Play, they successfully recreate the arcade feel. It isn't about story or gameplay. It's about to be who got the bigger ... eueeu... Hadoken.

Nier: Now your too vague, you can argue that F.F. series fall into that category and i could tell you... HERE YOUR REMAKE! Your bashing a genre for Cloud? There a lot of great game. Have you play BRAVE FENCER MUSACHI? Or How about the BREATH OF FIRE I myself, i'm trying to go back on some classic that i miss. Ever heard of WILD GUN?

Once your done, you'll see that there were gems out there and that we don't want remake... we want new gem.

FinalHeart95:
30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

God Forbid? You mean you like a one trick pony?

LightspeedJack:
Call this wishful thinking but I kind of think they may be trying to buy time with these overblown statements. No way would it take 40 years but they haven't figured out exactly how they could re-create the mechanics of the "over-world" system. I would bet money that one day somewhere down the line Sqeenix will do this and when they do they will have more money than they know what to do with. I would expect to hear something around the 20th anniversary of the original game, 2017.

Prepare you Sqeenex... you'll need them in 2017.

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game.

THANK YOU! People need to just realize they would be playing the very same game just new graphics.

While a FFVII remake would be kind of cool, it'd have to include some new stuff to really warrant a purchase from me. I've played the game countless times, beaten it, explored every nook and cranny. I've mastered every materia, gotten every skill, leveled everyone up to max level. I've done it, and I'm done with it. Slapping a fresh coat of paint and a few fancy sounding music tracks really won't impress me.

If you want to remake something, how about VI? Nice steampunk setting, better story than VII, could maybe toss in something to let you keep fighting around in those mech things from the start of the game.

Or how about Xenogears? Huge game, lot of fun, crazy story that could suck you in. Starts to feel like they just gave up at disc two though, they could fix that, retool the story a bit, make the whole thing fit in with Xenosaga better.

Or, let's just redo R.A.D., and put it on the type of platform it sould have been on to begin with. You fight with giant robots in a Fight Night type of control style, you have these massive destructible cities that you fight in. The robots transform into awesome modes. Hook all of that up with current gen capabilities and you've got something great. Imagine a game where you go head to head, or possibly even co-op with a buddy or two, each piloting a giant robot and (possibly in a remake) having your actual character running around and fighting minions in a sort of GTA style sandbox. The game was fun doing versus mode, but was hampered by it being split screen, playing over Live or the PSN Network would make it a great experience. Or let's just make R.A.D. 2.

Point is, there are better candidates for a remake than VII. That game was done, didn't really have any loose ends or any glaring parts that were ommited. VI is old enough that it could be updated to a generation that have never touched it. Xenogears was great, but had a lot of seemingly unfinished and unpolished bits to it. R.A.D. was...well it was just awesome and needs a remake or sequel already.

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