Final Fantasy VII Remake Pushed Even Further From Possibility

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Bullshit.

Square could simply release the game on a blu-ray tomorow, with some re-orchestrated scores, and it would sell. I'm surprised they have yet to do this actually..

Honestly I'd love to see a remake of FF IX, but I know that won't happen until VII gets remade first.

I also believe they are just waiting for something, they know people will buy it if they make it, so their has to be something in the way or just waiting for something.

He is probably technically right, just completely ignoring common sense. I'm willing to bet that what it comes down to is that FFVII and FFXIII are very different games from a programming perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if importing, lets say Mario World to the Empire: Total War engine, took 40 years, because doing so wouldn't make any sense. Same deal with moving VII to XIII. If he thought about it for more then a few seconds, and instead tried to think about just updating the models while keeping the same layout, the development cycle would be more like a year or 2.

Of course it's also worth pointing out that its probably not worth the time he took to justify his excuse to himself. He doesn't want to make a remake because the original is still there, and he wants to work on new stuff instead. It's a legitimate opinion. I'm kind of disappointed (I hate to admit), but I could still go and play the original.

Sparrow:
What? How does that even make sense? They have the script. They have the game design, they have the music, they have all the concept art... honestly, it'd take less than two years tops. What a load of shite.

They have the MAPS, too--all those pre-rendered top-down scenes give them a really convenient blueprint, and not a single one of them is as complex as an Unreal Tournament 3 map. I could make one. What Square's covering up is that they're EXTRAORDINARILY bad at making environment assets and haven't updated their development pipeline since the PS2.

Yeah, that really sounds ridiculous. There's no way it would take 40 years - they're either sick and tired of hearing that question or they're trying to make everyone think it's not going to happen so that when it finally does it's a surprise.

As for TWEWY, it'd be great if they made another game in that series, but ideally not a direct sequel - the story for that one ended up nice and tidy. A spinoff with a different group of characters or something would be preferable IMO.

They could have just said no, instead of spewing a huge line like that. 40 years.. come on, it doesn't take that long to redress a game and make it look a little nicer.

Am I one of the only Final Fantasy fans that does not give a flying shit about this? Woo, there making the same game.

This is just for all the graphic whores out there that couldent see that FF7 had a great story, but couldent get past the blocks.

Bull.

A remake would piss a lot of people off, after all the spins offs like Crisis Core, they would need to make a new script to ensure it has everything based off them continuity wise.

As well as more plot holes, a new battle system, equipment system, leveling system, voice actors etc.

In short, if they make it, it'll piss a lot of fans off. Besides, why have a game that you've already finished a dozen times remade? Wasn't that enough.

I'm sick of SE living in the past and re releasing everything under the sun, I would rather they focus on new games to be honest.

To Square-Enix, I call BS on the 40 years to remake FFVII. It shouldn't really take you more than 5 years; the game wasn't THAT big. In fact, it's pretty small compared to a lot of stuff today.

To everyone else, FFVII was a legendary game in its time. However, its time has ended, and it is now time to move on to something new and different.

I'm so tired of hearing anything about a FFVII remake. FFVII wasn't even as godly as everyone says it is. It's a basic RPG at best with a good chunk of the cast being one dimensional characters (I did a very well received review on it here a while ago) and a fan base who really hadn't played RPGs before VII.

After the abomination that was Advent Children, I doubt anyone at Square wants to touch FFVII...I'd rather they made new games anyways...

Akalistos:

FinalHeart95:
30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

God Forbid? You mean you like a one trick pony?

I was being sarcastic in that Squeenix doesn't seem to like pulling out IPs every so often. Sure, they have some now and then, but they focus a lot more on sequels.

I guess a lot of studios are like that, but still.

You never know. It'd be prettier most definitely, but they can definitely take the time to beef up the combat system and implement Crisis Core's Materia system. I'm calling bullshit on the damn thing taking 40 years, though. Even though the game was severely overrated, it was still a revolution to the RPG genre. I'd honestly like to see it remade.

Although I agree and call bullshit on the 40 years time estimate I'd still have a totally mixed reaction to a remake. The old game was one of the best games ever and to bring it up to modern-day standards and then to utterly surpass them like everyone would expect would be near impossible.

I mean one sub-par voice actor, one bad new sub-plotline... too many things could just go wrong and screw things up. I don't have a PS3 but they did release it on the PSN right? That was probably the best thing they can do for it. I mean, we've still got the orignal.

Seems to me its more they have not the idea how to do it not that they can't do it within a reasonable time period.
Square Enix is very reliable anymore on quality...So It seems to me they are just making excuses.

there are probably enough devout fans that would happily buy and play the everloving Sh** out of it, so it could be worth it, but its still up to them. and it sounds like its still leaning towards a "deal with the original"

Tenmar:
I think the real problem here is that there is that huge divide of generation of gamers. Those that have grown up with games since they were young and are now well adjusted adults that understand the the video game industry is a business. And then there is the FF7 generation where while they are mostly grown up they are so obsessed with their "first" big game(not actually their first but most hyped for the console generation when it was Playstation and N64 as the big two competitors) that they wish for that specific story and characters to grow and don't want characters like Cloud, Aries and Tifa to die but be immortal for all time.

This gigantic divide of gamers are those that know that franchises and stories die and it is best to move on and then there are those that are used to see that specific game getting the spin-off treatment over and over and over again. There to my knowledge has been a total of three spin-off games, the PS2 game with Vincent, the PSP game with Zack and the FFVII movie. So that generation who has been used to being loud because that was the current largest inception of gamers when video games were starting to be accepted as pop-culture and not the "nerd" hobby that it was known for.

The result is the fanbase that is nothing more than grown children used to getting what they want and a company that knows that in order to grow it needs to reach and create new games and new audiences while it wants to preserve that nostalgia and be conservative to treat the game and its reputation as a gem and icon to the video game industry's history.

I disagree strongly to be honest. "Final Fantasy VII" is one of the most compelling examples that can be used for "video games as art" because it's done something few other big games have done: it's gone cross generational. It isn't a matter of a lot of former kids who are older whining about their "first big game" or anything of the sort. It's the result of a genuine demand. Consider the number of people downloading the original game from the Playstation Network, on top of the fact that people will pay big bucks for statues and such of various Final Fantasy VII characters... which are still made. The game continues to inspire artists and creators today. It's turned into an ongoing franchise. I don't think it's just Generation Xers growing up, anymore than "Star Wars" was the same for baby boomers. Your dealing with a phenomena.... whether you like it or not (and people diss both Star Wars and Final Fantasy VII almost equally, there are haters for everything).

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If you want my thoughts on the matter, I think it comes down to the fact that Squeenix is "better" at lying than other Japanese companies, though still pretty pathetic at it.

Simply put, our current generation of technology would not be an improvement if it couldn't do what the previous generation did, better and more efficiently. When you look at Squeenix's claim that it couldn't have added cities and such to "Final Fantasy XIII" because it would have taken too long to detail or whatever, you can look at dozens of other games with highly detaild city scapes... like oh say "Grand Theft Auto IV" or "Saint's Row 2" that manage to pull it off with a lot more area than a JRPG would require (where you only need half a dozen locations, tops typically). That right there shows that they're lying through their teeth about what can be done, because even if the generes are differant, the equivilent in raw graphics work has been done successfully by other companies.

What I think it comes down to is simply put that Squeenix has gotten a lot more greedy than it has been in previous years. A game like "Final Fantasy VII" was a lot deeper than "Final Fantasy XIII" and covered all kinds of differant enviroments and locations. Other games have arguably done just as much this generation, but the bottom line is that to do that takes effort and money. The more money you spend on a game, the less profitable it's going to be no matter how many units you move. Today Squeenix probably figures they can produce a very linear and relatively shallow game like "Final Fantasy XIII", and move ridiculous numbers of units of it based on the name alone, especially seeing as with the advent of casual gamers the whole "cinematic experience" thing means they can get away with having a really deep game there to begin with. Less money spent on development, of course means more money in the end.

I'm a pretty cynical person, and I understand Squeenix is a business and everything. However, there is such a thing as getting too greedy, and I think it's a problem that is affecting the entire gaming industry. Squeenix is simply one of the biggest/well known companies to really "sell out" this way. In this case when I say "selling out", understand
my point as well. These guys were always doing well and making decent profits, however it's a simple fact that the rich want more money, and with Squeenix the best way to do that is to reduce their quality.... despite the fact that the quality was what made them big to begin with.

Simply put "Final Fantasy VII" is too high quality a product, they could do it, but for the same investment they could probably release TWO "Final Fantasy XIII" equivilents, and move just as many units. They would make a profit (and a large one) off of VII, but could make an even bigger one with lower quality games, relying on name recognition and the easier to please market of more casual gamers that have flooded the hobby.

Such are my thoughts. In Squeenix's case though they are trying to make reasonable excuses rather than typical Japa-corp crud where they get some out of touch dude to treat people like money bags with feats and say rather honestly "Well, we expect you to work more hours to afford one"... like with the PS-3 (oh yes, we are all going to run out to pull major overtime for a bloody game deck, assuming the hours are even out there).

It might take 40 years.. if it were one developer. With no prior knowledge of video game design.

I mean Jesus Christ, that claim is outrageous. They arent completely redesigning it, its the same story, same characters, just remade. If the Chrono Resurrection can make an amazing quality remake demo in a couple of years, keep in mind that this is a group of 9 fans making it, then I call bullshit to Square Enix's claim. They could make a Final Fantasy VII remake in a couple, maybe 3 years, but the fact of the matter is they simply don't want to.

the sad part is some people would wait that long i honestly think they are making it and will have it out in a few years

Anti-flame shield
They remake Mario and people still act like its a new game can't i have my favorite one of my favorite rpgs graphics brought up to date?

And i want to know what He means when he says make FFVII the same Style as FFXIII, does it mean remake of FFVII battle system would match the battle system of FFXIII?

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

Indeed! TWEWY was such a good game and would be perfect for a sequel.

Okay so I think it's been clearly established that 40 years is complete and total BS. Also it is clear that there are tons of reasons for them to make a remake. But let's turn the tables a bit, shall we?

What reasons are there for Square Enix to NOT make a remake?
Even though I have never played FFVII, I know that it has quite the fanbase and that there are tons of gamers who would buy it. Heck, I still see new copies of FFVII floating around at GameStop! We could jump to the conclusion that the producer just doesn't want to do it...
but...judging by all the ports and re-releases of other FF games it is clear that Square Enix likes exploiting nostalgic gamers and are willing to go out of their way in order to do so. But it is very clear that Square Enix really really REALLY doesn't want to make a remake and they have a legit reason for it (Otherwise they're just being stubborn idiots.)
I can draw from a couple conclusions of my own...

A) Square Enix is willing to respect Mr. Kitase's personal opinions at the loss of potential millions (Because I can think of a couple subsidaries of Square Enix who would KILL for the chance of developing a FFVII remake)

B) Square Enix is working on the remake and only using stunts like this to garner hype for the game at it's announcement

C) Square Enix would rather put their time, effort and funding towards making new IPs and/or sequels to their current franchises

D) Square Enix feels too pressured by too many high expectations from the community to make a remake

E) Square Enix knows something we don't know, and that something is the real reason why they aren't working on a remake

And a bit of an absurd conclusion...
F) Square Enix is bogged down by so many games right now that even if they were to announce a FFVII remake, it would take about forty years to finish all the games that they are currently working on and then make the remake on top of that.
Then again, there are still tons of FF games still in development right now...this conclusion might not be far off.

Anyone else have reasons why Square Enix shouldn't make a remake?

They better get a move on then!

Paddin:
It might take 40 years.. if it were one developer. With no prior knowledge of video game design.

I mean Jesus Christ, that claim is outrageous. They arent completely redesigning it, its the same story, same characters, just remade. If the Chrono Resurrection can make an amazing quality remake demo in a couple of years, keep in mind that this is a group of 9 fans making it, then I call bullshit to Square Enix's claim. They could make a Final Fantasy VII remake in a couple, maybe 3 years, but the fact of the matter is they simply don't want to.

you have to remember that the Chrono resurrection team was actually filled with 9 talented people, Square enix is filled with a 1000 employee's of no talent.

I bet this is supposed to be a hyperbole statement secretly meaning "SHUT UP! WE AREN'T DOING IT!"

Prophetic Heresy:

ResiEvalJohn:
I'm just gonna say it's a shame to all parties.

FF7 was one of the most important games of my childhood, and when I think of kids being raised today on FFXIII, it makes me puke at how low Squeenix has sunk. Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

I'm positive that they could've put out a remake INSTEAD of all the shit they've been doing for the past 5 years because:
1) They definitely have Character animation and voice acting down - Look at FFXIII, that was arguably the only good thing about the game.
2) They definitely have the technology to make big world maps - Look at FFXII.

The fact is, Square doesn't have the mojo anymore, or the magic, or whatever you call it. They're admitting right here that they'll never make a game good enough for me to play again.
An FF7 remake would be great not only for fans, but for new generations of gamers who didn't experience it back in the 90's. Gone is the time when JRPG's were actually respected and gaming required more than just "press X not to die."

I can't help but agree completely with what you just said. I'm actually reminded of the other day when I was playing...you know what? I don't even feel like sarcasm.

First off, how many games rely on one single button? None. Stop belittling the work that developers put into their games. If you don't like shooters that's fine but don't put down the people who make good games or the people who enjoy them to stroke your own ego.

Second, stop getting your "witty comments" from Zero Punctuation. Most people on this site have already heard them, laughed, and moved on. Yahtzee is funny and he occasionally stumbles on to an interesting point about gaming, but his points only naturally occur in jokes. When you try to use them as actual arguments you just sound like a pretentious idiot.

Finally, apologize to anyone who might have actually had their opinion changed by reading your post. Inform them that you are entirely wrong you apologize for misleading them, even as poorly as you did.

F*** you, it's my opinion and this is me putting my nuts in your mouth
<=3 O

I apologize to nobody, especially you, who the f*** are you? Prosthetic Heresy! Wow, You showed me, gee I'll think harder about that before I make another post next time because what you have to say is so meaningful on the internet without a face.
D*ck :P

lemme run the words of that square enix dude said through my bullshit translator for you all!

"FFS No We cant be bothered now STFU and GTFO!"

So what will come first? The Final Fantasy VII remake or, Duke Nukem Forever? Anybody want to place a bet or two?

how would it...nah just excuses
he doesn't wanna do it, fine
ff7 was the only ff game to keep me interested anyway

Not that I particularly care, but that figure of 40 years seems more than a little far fetched. I would think the development time for a remake would be half that of a new game since a lot of the work is already done. All they really need to do is upgrade the graphics and maybe add voice acting. Personally I'm just getting sick of hearing about it. FFVII wasn't all that great anyway, I don't see why it needs a remake. Actually it could be said that FFVII marked the beginning of the downfall of JRPGs as a genre.

Exactly why would it take 40 years? Are there just 40 years worth of new FF games you've gotta make before that? I'm not even a huge fan of Final Fantasy, this is coming from a logical standpoint, how the hell would it take 40 years to remake a game!? You're not creating a new one (even still making a new game from scracth, takes at most 3-5 years if everything runs smoothly) A remake should take 2, tops.

Come on Square, I'm sure Final Fantasy VS 31, can be put on hold. Or are you just afraid of the money you'll get? Please do it already, if not for you, for the fans... so they can finally shut up about it. Besides, you really blue balled 'em with that PS3 tech demo, that was just low.

This is idiotic, the entire framework for the story, monsters, combat, materia system, characters.

Hell, the entire game is WRITTEN ALREADY, and it's going to take them 40 years to make it look good!? I don't even care if the graphical update is that substantial, I mostly just want it remade so it is reasonably affordable.

If they can make Advent Children in a reasonable amount of time, they can make a pretty FFVII.

By saying "it would take 40 years we could never do it" They are pretty much saying "Since we use modern graphics now, we will never make a game as extensive as FFVII again because it would take forever" Which sucks, modern graphics shouldn't hurt game design like this.

Not to mention he's clearly lying, this is a load of horse shit.

Does he expect people to believe this crap?

Paddin:
It might take 40 years.. if it were one developer. With no prior knowledge of video game design.

I mean Jesus Christ, that claim is outrageous. They arent completely redesigning it, its the same story, same characters, just remade. If the Chrono Resurrection can make an amazing quality remake demo in a couple of years, keep in mind that this is a group of 9 fans making it, then I call bullshit to Square Enix's claim. They could make a Final Fantasy VII remake in a couple, maybe 3 years, but the fact of the matter is they simply don't want to.

It's not outrageous at all, remember, they have to do it all with archaic punch card programming because.......

Yeah, it's fucking outrageous.

ResiEvalJohn:

Prophetic Heresy:

ResiEvalJohn:
I'm just gonna say it's a shame to all parties.

FF7 was one of the most important games of my childhood, and when I think of kids being raised today on FFXIII, it makes me puke at how low Squeenix has sunk. Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

I'm positive that they could've put out a remake INSTEAD of all the shit they've been doing for the past 5 years because:
1) They definitely have Character animation and voice acting down - Look at FFXIII, that was arguably the only good thing about the game.
2) They definitely have the technology to make big world maps - Look at FFXII.

The fact is, Square doesn't have the mojo anymore, or the magic, or whatever you call it. They're admitting right here that they'll never make a game good enough for me to play again.
An FF7 remake would be great not only for fans, but for new generations of gamers who didn't experience it back in the 90's. Gone is the time when JRPG's were actually respected and gaming required more than just "press X not to die."

I can't help but agree completely with what you just said. I'm actually reminded of the other day when I was playing...you know what? I don't even feel like sarcasm.

First off, how many games rely on one single button? None. Stop belittling the work that developers put into their games. If you don't like shooters that's fine but don't put down the people who make good games or the people who enjoy them to stroke your own ego.

Second, stop getting your "witty comments" from Zero Punctuation. Most people on this site have already heard them, laughed, and moved on. Yahtzee is funny and he occasionally stumbles on to an interesting point about gaming, but his points only naturally occur in jokes. When you try to use them as actual arguments you just sound like a pretentious idiot.

Finally, apologize to anyone who might have actually had their opinion changed by reading your post. Inform them that you are entirely wrong you apologize for misleading them, even as poorly as you did.

Fuck you, it's my opinion and this is me putting my nuts in your mouth
<=3 O

I apologize to nobody, especially you, who the fuck are you? Prosthetic Heresy! Wow, You showed me, gee I'll think harder about that before I make another post next time because what you have to say is so meaningful on the internet without a face.
Dick :P

Listen up, this is important.

That guy was a total jerk, I'm planning on reporting him, but you can NOT reply like this, not because he doesn't deserve it, but because you will get a moderator suspension, and you don't want that, that's what he wants.

Edit the post, report him, and be the bigger man.

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