Final Fantasy VII Remake Pushed Even Further From Possibility

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I never wanted a remake of 7 to be honest, still don't. However this "It'd take us approx. 40 years to complete" explanation seems far-fetched at best.

dradiscontact:

It's ridiculous because Square has not come out and said that it will never happen.

I don't know about you, but all these statements they've been making recently, including the one in this very article, say otherwise.

It's also just a piss poor business decision. People want a remake. The demand is there. It's a guaranteed money maker. The smart thing to do would be to meet that demand and rake in the profits. It's got nothing to do with entitlement. Square is making a poor decision and is essentially mocking its fans by saying a remake would take 40 years to develop.

Regardless of how piss-poor you think the decision is, it's ultimately Square's to make. They have no obligation to the fans to make a re-make, no matter how profitable the fans 'promise' it will be. Are you going to bitch to Nintendo for not making an Ocarina Of Time remake? Or Konami for not making a remake of Metal Gear Solid with current gen graphics? They would both be just as profitable as a Final Fantasy VII remake, if not moreso. Are they obliged to you to re-make those games, just to rake in profits?

If Square remade VII now with current graphics, it would just look dated again in ten years time. I think they know this. Why bother remaking a somewhat dated game if the remake is only going to look just as dated in the future? Should they keep remaking VII whenever a new console comes out? Why are they obliged to do it this generation, when a remake on the new gen of consoles would arguably look even better?

And they're not mocking their fans. They made an offhand comment in order to refer to the logistical nightmare that a VII remake would be. Fans taking the comment out of context and getting their knickers in a twist is where all the hurt lies.

Low Key:
They probably just want to get everyone off of their guard so they can surprise release it sometime next year or something. Normally I'd take something like this at face value, but they keep talking about it for some reason. There comes a point when saying "it's not gonna happen" will suffice instead of going off on a diatribe about lengthy development times and other bullshit. It just seems like hype to me.

I completely agree. All they need to do is, update the character models and all the maps. Re-do all cutscenes and musical scores. I wouldn't even care if they used voice acting or not. Most of the voice acting in Advent Children sucked anyway. Then make it HD and they're done.
Maybe Squenix is using FF7 as a trump card, in case they go bankrupt.

Let this game die already. Retro is in nowadays but FFVII is NOT retro. It's old, dated, and ugly. 8-Bit and 16-Bit era games age well because that style is "hip, quirky & charming" to the young people even though most of them weren't even born yet in it's heyday.

Saturn/PSX/3DO era 3D graphics... are UGLY. UG-LY! It's okay to think fondly of a game's story, that's the part that should matter. Just don't take it to ridiculous degrees. Find other fans and keep your in-jokes amongst yourselves, have fun. Non-FFVII fans though, leave us alone. We don't want to see your Cloud/Sephiroth Yaoi fan art collection, piss off.

And understand that your game, your favorite game, is one ugly motherfucker. It's "Photoshop 4.0 throwing up on a Windows 95 screensaver" level of ugly. I've seen more depth in an EGA mode rendered "Quest for Glory."

I don't think that last part was quite on-point for what I wanted to say but it sounded funny in my head so out it came.

But yes, 3D PlayStation One games are sinfully ugly and should be buried in the desert a la E.T. for the Atari 2600.

No remake for you. Get over it. Get a new favorite game.

Flying-Emu:
Why does everyone act like FF7 is such a big deal? If they remade it, it would be the same game. I'd much rather have them work on another The World Ends With You than a remake of yet another FF game.

Aye. Personaly, I hate FFVII, cept for Zack since he was cool. But </3 Cloud. People need to know there were other FFs, and honestly ones that are 10x better. It's just...meh... Glad there not giving in, and focusing on other things.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
If Square remade VII now with current graphics, it would just look dated again in ten years time. I think they know this. Why bother remaking a somewhat dated game if the remake is only going to look just as dated in the future?

That didn't stop them from remaking Final Fantasy III for the DS. Of course it didn't have current gen graphics, but it had better graphics than the original release.

Sylveria:

Akalistos:
Have you play BRAVE FENCER MUSACHI? Or How about the BREATH OF FIRE I myself, i'm trying to go back on some classic that i miss. Ever heard of WILD GUN?

Once your done, you'll see that there were gems out there and that we don't want remake... we want new gem.

Oi please don't try the "ever hear of.." game with me when it comes to RPGs. I have a lot of gems and I have a lot of garbage.

And obviously "we" do want remakes or this wouldn't even be an issue. You don't.

Anyway, yeah you are half right, I do want a FF7 remake cause of nostalgia and FF7 wasn't even my favorite in the series, 6 holds that place but the FF fanboy phenomena didn't gain its true fervor until 7, much to my dismay, so expecting 6 to be remade is a lost cause.. and assuming they did, it would be on the DS and look like crap, like 3 and 4.

So, This tantrum is about 6? I can understand why remake that game may give you hope that they do it for 6. That said, you still act like a DS remake will be bad. I may be because you think to highly of that game. That concept should also apply to the fan of 7. Nobody will be happy with the remake, and according to your last line, you should have understood this.

Sylveria:

I'm glad you took the time to feebly [Feebly? Tell that enough time and you may start believing it] "counter" each of my examples. Your whole point was a remake adds nothing "new" to gaming. Neither do any of those games, hell, none of those series even do (well maybe Street Fighter since they were sorta the first big 2D fighter). Halo has an over arcing story across multiple games? So did Xenosaga, .hack, Half-life. Neir's been done and it's been done better, what does it add to anything?

Halo was the first game showcasing the power of the Xbox. Also, his Multiplayers is still the best one done and a template to other developer. Right, nothing new... Street Fighter is still the reference on fighting game. It not only introduce the Turbo speed but each incarnation came with different stuff added. THe Parry system in SF3S for example as been replace here by a counter that can only absorb a hit. It also take time to perform. I didn't play Nier, but i recall that you said that it was just a 3rd person Hack and Slash. So? If it does his thing his way, why not? God of War is also a hack and slash and with a really good story (less good in the third) is the prime example that beat-them-ups could still be profitable. And tell me a game that didn't use the orb system after it. Devil May Cry was the first but never really took of like GOW did. If i wanted a game remake, i would choose Double Dragon and see what they could do with it. It would be great to see some combo move that you can perform with Jimmy or your friend online. They did the Hurricane Kick in three and i'm sure they could bring some better cooperation and tag team move than Army of Two. And that would still be better than a game a remake 100% the same with Nostalgia glasses because one day they will fall from your face and you will go here and do a nerd rage tantrum.

Sylveria:

And ya know what? I really don't care if it doesn't add anything. Since the releases lately have been so foul, I'm replaying old games anyway. A PS2/3 quality remake of an old FF, Secret of Mana (or one of its sequels that didn't make it state side), Romancing Saga series, or Xenogears, etc, with some new bits to play with would thrill most older RPG fans and would likely make SE a boatload of EASY money. I don't care if its the same game with fresh paint. I'd much rather shell out $50 for a prettier version of a game I already love than $50 for another "new gem" that not only brings nothing "new" but just sucks on its own merits.

Yeah, the easy money that was Final Fantasy 13 was so much better. Remember that most return their copy use. That mean that any gamer can now enter a Gamestop, or EB GAMES and get a use copy for half the price. And that's money SE will never see. If I'm correct (which sadly i am mostly on that sort of thing) there will be another mass return of FF7 the remake on the self. That easy money won't turn the profit you would like to believe and I guess SE pick that up by now.

Sylveria:

Lastly, when you say games you "missed" I assume you mean you weren't born yet.

No, i was there for Super Mario Bros... I miss it because i wasn't a RPG fan at the time. I use to say: What dumbass would wait in line to shoot? You Youngster should also learn some proper manner.

FinalHeart95:

Akalistos:

FinalHeart95:
30-40 years? Okay, the only reason FFXIII took 3-4 years was because you started on the PS2, and then moved to a system where you had no experience. If you had experience on the PS3 and started there, it probably would've taken half as long.

Also, 10 times as long is simply hyperbole. I wouldn't say FFVII is 10 times larger than FFXIII on any scale.

Not that I even necessarily want a FFVII remake, I'd much rather then work on KH3, Versus XIII, or, God forbid, a new IP. Still, I'm sick of them being total teases with this remake. Within a few days they'll explain how this statement really means that they should get working on it sooner because it take so long or some shit.

God Forbid? You mean you like a one trick pony?

I was being sarcastic in that Squeenix doesn't seem to like pulling out IPs every so often. Sure, they have some now and then, but they focus a lot more on sequels.

I guess a lot of studios are like that, but still.

You Fail

The internet can't comprehend sarcasm. It's all in the tone of voice. But i guess if you blew it so much out of proportion... it would be easier. Here, I made a example for you.

Yeah! They should really remake FF7. And they should do it for other stuff to. Hell, they could remake Michael Jackson's Thriller, He's about done right now. You could dig him up and remake it. Come on everybody, let's remake shit!!!!!
BTW: Can i az ff7 plise Squar Inix?

(That a good example of sarcasm, and it's translate well into post too.)

I've no problems with FFVII like so many do around here.
But I don't want a remake. NO REMAKES! You hear me!?

Instead, focus on the next game.

dradiscontact:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
If Square remade VII now with current graphics, it would just look dated again in ten years time. I think they know this. Why bother remaking a somewhat dated game if the remake is only going to look just as dated in the future?

That didn't stop them from remaking Final Fantasy III for the DS. Of course it didn't have current gen graphics, but it had better graphics than the original release.

DS graphics now are the same level, if not slightly worse, than PSX graphics of ten years ago. Considering how long Square have been making games, developing graphics on that level of simplicity is a doddle. You can render a Black Mage in five minutes, have an airship done in twenty. It's a completely different kettle of fish to rendering something in PS3-standard graphics, where even the most unimportant objects can take hours, or even days, to render.

Square enix is trying to insult fans by assuming were all stupid. 40 years? Lol the dialogs already done the story is done the concepts are done the ideas are done the only thing that needs to be done is graphics voice acting and possibly an updated music score. This guy is just pist because people like ffvii better than his ffxiii. Is square going to skip a business opportunity?

You know, I'd love to see a Final Fantasy 7 remake, but it doesn't have to be at the quality that FF13 is at graphically. FF10's level is more than good enough to me. Remake it to that quality, release it for 30-40$ and I'm sold.

But you know what I'd love to see more?
An actual next-gen Front Mission game (not FM:Evolved), complete with being able to hijack enemy Wanzers, more customization and part variety, and more weaponry. Hell, team up the Front Mission devs with the people behind Armored Core's insane amount of parts, and Gundams overall variety of weaponry, and I'd love you long time. Or... at the very least... a NA release of FM5, just over PSN would be great...

Also, new "Musashi" game. We had Brave Fencer for PS1, and Samurai Legend for the PS2, so where's the PS3 incarnation?

And yes, definitely would love to see "The World Ends With You As Well" or TWEWYAW"

I wouldn't buy Final Fantasy 7 again just because it has voice acting and better graphics. If I would want to play FF7 again it would be for nostalgia at which case I can just download FF7 off the Playstation Store. Making it look modern would take away the nostalgic factor and buying it for the story and game-play would me more expensive then the PSOne Classics version.

If they keep the same combat, a lot of people wouldn't buy it because they hate Turn Based Combat; if they make it an action game, the FF7 fans would be pissed off because it wouldn't be FF7; if they made it into a FPS then the fans wouldn't buy it and the people who love FPS usually hate Final Fantasy so they wouldn't buy it either, so what would be the point? I think them making this remake would be stupid.

Sounds like a way to try to get people off the subject, as well they should because remaking FFVII would be a monumental mistake. How many ways can they say "No"?

That doesn't make that claim make any more sense though.

That does sound a bit unrealistic.

They already have a story entirely mapped out and plenty of artwork references. Even if they had to remake the models, they could maintain the old-school style of combat and be greeted with nothing but nostalgic cheer.

Maybe they meant it took 3-4 years to make a piece of crap game with unlikable characters, an awkward and somehow even MORE boring combat system than the old text/turn based system, and a new and uninteresting world to play it in.

But FFVII has such a rabid fanbase, they'd have to actually put effort into it. The fans would want every single moment recreated, every single scrap of world laid out and perfect. Tough call.

Of course, they could put out a call for FFVII fans to come work on the project. No doubt some of them would gladly work for reduced wages to be on such a title and thus you could hire more. Then that poor single 40 year old man wouldn't have to spend the rest of his life on it.

What? Why do people want remakes of anything? A re-release is fine. You can still play FF7 thanks to PSN. It wasn't even that good a game. I mean I enjoyed it but there are better JRPGs out there.

Chrono Trigger
Breath of Fire 1-4
Illusion of Gaia
FF 5,6,8,9 (10 would have been up there too if it wasn't so linear).
Vandal Hearts

To name just a few.

The thing about rpgs (jrpgs in particular) is graphics aren't important and that's all you'd be getting with a remake.

Games are a weird market. In cinema remakes are usually hated and no one ever listens to a song and says "man I love this song, I hope someone does a cover of it someday". But gamers actually demand remakes. It's weird. Just play the games you enjoy, if a game becomes unplayable for you purely based on the graphics then you clearly don't like it all that much.

This is obviously their message of;

"We really really really don't want to remake it"

In 40 years, I can learn the necessary skills AND use them to make one hell of a beautiful and well-thought out game, with superb gameplay and interesting narrative smoothly meshed with the game mechanics and rules.

And with no f***ing cutscenes nor quick time events.

Not because I'm particularly talented, but because I would have FORTY YEARS to make it.

And this guy comes up and says that one of the most crazy rich videogame companies on this planet, with the kind of technological achivements humanity has conquered in digital information, would take as long to produce a remake, as in, a rehash of a already constructed product???

Jaysus Chroyst, as far as imbecile statements go, this one deserves to be in the Guinness Books.

If they don't want to make it, they would be better off saying so instead of looking completely idiotic in front of the specialized media.

...I know they're making it right now.

Mark my words...

(cough) Bullcrap. (cough)

Ericb:
In 40 years, I can learn the necessary skills AND use them to make one hell of a beautiful and well-thought out game, with superb gameplay and interesting narrative smoothly meshed with the game mechanics and rules.

And with no f***ing cutscenes nor quick time events.

Not because I'm particularly talented, but because I would have FORTY YEARS to make it.

And this guy comes up and says that one of the most crazy rich videogame companies on this planet, with the kind of technological achivements humanity has conquered in digital information, would take as long to produce a remake, as in, a rehash of a already constructed product???

Jaysus Chroyst, as far as imbecile statements go, this one deserves to be in the Guinness Books.

If they don't want to make it, they would be better off saying so instead of looking completely idiotic in front of the specialized media.

You're not kidding. Here we have a game everybody loves, no, ADORES and the idiots at Square Enix are like "DUHHHHHHHHHHH It would take 30 years to remake a game that is'nt total crap." Are they Really this stupid?

danpascooch:

You'll be lucky if the mods don't correct you with a suspension.

So would you, are you trying to instigate a flame war?

Heresy wasn't wrong - rude or not. John trash talked a whole genre and the people who liked said genre, not to mention the developers. Some people are tired of baseless arguments against genres they like and would like to defend their choice of entertainment.

Also - John was as rude as his opponent, if not even ruder. In fact John insulted YOU. Get off your high horse.

Why does everyone love FFVII so much? Honestly, if Atlus remade any Persona game or anything for that matter they would be rich.

Traun:

danpascooch:

You'll be lucky if the mods don't correct you with a suspension.

So would you, are you trying to instigate a flame war?

Heresy wasn't wrong - rude or not. John trash talked a whole genre and the people who liked said genre, not to mention the developers. Some people are tired of baseless arguments against genres they like and would like to defend their choice of entertainment.

Also - John was as rude as his opponent, if not even ruder. In fact John insulted YOU. Get off your high horse.

1.) Old thread is old, old post is old.
2.) How the HELL would what I said instigate a flame war? Seriously, that makes no sense at all
3.) Heresy attacked him completely unprovoked and I am more inclined to condemn the person who is an asshole out of nowhere and starts a fight than the person who was right to be angry, but took it too far.
4.) John did not insult me anywhere
5.) I like shooters, but John didn't attack anyone personally

Lastly, whether Heresy is wrong or not is irrelevant (he was probably right) saying things like this:

Finally, apologize to anyone who might have actually had their opinion changed by reading your post. Inform them that you are entirely wrong you apologize for misleading them, even as poorly as you did.

Is about as smug, arrogant, and insulting as you can get, I don't tolerate that crap whether it's directed at me or not, I can tell you're new here, so let me help you get something straight.

1.) Mods might take action if you groundlessly initiate personal attacks against other members
2.) Mods are not going to take action (for example, against my post) for defending people who have been attacked, and doing so without any sort of insult or vulgarity in any way.

I don't know who you are, but you could probably be contributing valuable opinions to relevant topics rather than scanning four month old arguments between strangers.

Before you try to tell me you're not new based on join date, let me tell you that no matter when you joined, you only have 200 posts worth of experience on these forums, I think it's idiotic to judge opinions based on post count, and I'm not doing this here, my numbered reasons above are why I disagree with your point, I'm only using the post count as a reason to offer you advice above.

Anyway, you probably think I'm a total dick right now, but that's not my intention, I'm just really sick of people telling me off for defending those who are groundlessly attacked, especially when I'm not rude doing it.

Damn, people think ANYTHING will start a flamewar nowadays.....

Now this is coming from someone who played and enjoyed the game, but why would people want a remake? The game is already available for download on the PSN. So making a PS3 remake for FF7 would be kind of redundant and pointless.

danpascooch:

1.) Old thread is old, old post is old.

Starting a post with a 4chan meme, this is going to be fun.

danpascooch:

4.) John did not insult me anywhere.

ResiEvalJohn:

Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

By, as you can see, your very own John. Now as I scan your XBLA profile, which you conveniently put on display for everyone on the Escapist, I can see you happen to enjoy titles like Halo or L4D. This is good and all, but Johny here, thinks that you are so low on the food chain that you can only enjoy " mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over".

It doesn't need to have your name on it to be directed towards you. When I say that every Asian is a small **** douchbag(which is completely untrue, mind you, but still, an example is needed) you will see a hoard of Asian men trying to defend the size of their manhood, would you blame them? You don't think this is enough of a provocation? It was an attack geared towards a whole group of people, Heresy decide to answer to the provocation. Now I would probably say that John didn't intend to do that, but his following responses weren't that great either.

I just want to mention that Johny boy could have gone in a lot more civilized manner from the get go, he didn't, he got called out. Was Heresy "smug, arrogant, and insulting as you can get"? Probably, but I seem to value truth and sincerity more than false courtesy(in a discussion at least).

danpascooch:

I don't know who you are, but you could probably be contributing valuable opinions to relevant topics rather than scanning four month old arguments between strangers.

In my defense, the thread was on page 1, I rarely check dates. If I knew this was several months old, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Someone probably necroed.

danpascooch:

Before you try to tell me you're not new based on join date, let me tell you that no matter when you joined, you only have 200 posts worth of experience on these forums, I think it's idiotic to judge opinions based on post count, and I'm not doing this here, my numbered reasons above are why I disagree with your point, I'm only using the post count as a reason to offer you advice above.

So you used the second part of your post to disprove the first part?

danpascooch:
Damn, people think ANYTHING will start a flamewar nowadays.....

Keep in mind that you are defending someone who attacked a whole group of people, this tends to attract more people into the discussion.

danpascooch:

Anyway, you probably think I'm a total dick right now, but that's not my intention, I'm just really sick of people telling me off for defending those who are groundlessly attacked, especially when I'm not rude doing it.

No, not really. You have so far been polite and kept things in a civilized manner (4chan memes excluded). The difference in opinion seems to stern from the difference of perspective.

Anyway, the thread is old, let it die, if you think we need to continue this discussion further please PM me about it, I would much prefer to let old threads stay dead.

Traun:

danpascooch:

1.) Old thread is old, old post is old.

Starting a post with a 4chan meme, this is going to be fun.

danpascooch:

4.) John did not insult me anywhere.

ResiEvalJohn:

Gamers today are just exposed to mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over. There's no depth or atmosphere to games like there used to be.

By, as you can see, your very own John. Now as I scan your XBLA profile, which you conveniently put on display for everyone on the Escapist, I can see you happen to enjoy titles like Halo or L4D. This is good and all, but Johny here, thinks that you are so low on the food chain that you can only enjoy " mindless corridor shooting action games that only require you to press the X button over and over".

It doesn't need to have your name on it to be directed towards you. When I say that every Asian is a small **** douchbag(which is completely untrue, mind you, but still, an example is needed) you will see a hoard of Asian men trying to defend the size of their manhood, would you blame them? You don't think this is enough of a provocation? It was an attack geared towards a whole group of people, Heresy decide to answer to the provocation. Now I would probably say that John didn't intend to do that, but his following responses weren't that great either.

I just want to mention that Johny boy could have gone in a lot more civilized manner from the get go, he didn't, he got called out. Was Heresy "smug, arrogant, and insulting as you can get"? Probably, but I seem to value truth and sincerity more than false courtesy(in a discussion at least).

danpascooch:

I don't know who you are, but you could probably be contributing valuable opinions to relevant topics rather than scanning four month old arguments between strangers.

In my defense, the thread was on page 1, I rarely check dates. If I knew this was several months old, I probably wouldn't have bothered. Someone probably necroed.

danpascooch:

Before you try to tell me you're not new based on join date, let me tell you that no matter when you joined, you only have 200 posts worth of experience on these forums, I think it's idiotic to judge opinions based on post count, and I'm not doing this here, my numbered reasons above are why I disagree with your point, I'm only using the post count as a reason to offer you advice above.

So you used the second part of your post to disprove the first part?

danpascooch:
Damn, people think ANYTHING will start a flamewar nowadays.....

Keep in mind that you are defending someone who attacked a whole group of people, this tends to attract more people into the discussion.

danpascooch:

Anyway, you probably think I'm a total dick right now, but that's not my intention, I'm just really sick of people telling me off for defending those who are groundlessly attacked, especially when I'm not rude doing it.

No, not really. You have so far been polite and kept things in a civilized manner (4chan memes excluded). The difference in opinion seems to stern from the difference of perspective.

Anyway, the thread is old, let it die, if you think we need to continue this discussion further please PM me about it, I would much prefer to let old threads stay dead.

Holy crap, I am NOT reading this, I can tell I'm not going to like you very much.

Feel free to browse all the old threads and comment on how my polite defense of people being attacked is horrible and likely to start flamewars of epic proportions, knock yourself out.

I don't belive that a FF7 remake is not THAT hard to do if they would STOP building their own damn proprietary engines and use some kind of middle-ware engine like Unreal Engine or Crytek.

Rocksa:

Or how about Xenogears? Huge game, lot of fun, crazy story that could suck you in. Starts to feel like they just gave up at disc two though, they could fix that, retool the story a bit, make the whole thing fit in with Xenosaga better.

well connecting the two is cuurently impossible simply because Xenosaga was made by the same people who made Xenogears but work for a different company now aka Namco. SE (have the copyright of the game) can make a Xenogears prequel/sequel but yeah it wont be the same.

OT: I also believe their saying this to stop people from asking them about it anymore.

This puts me at a crossroad of sorts. You see out of all the Final Fantasy's I've played 7 was the only one I though wasn't shit. I've played 10, it was kind of bad. I've played 10/2, and it was easily forgettable. Played 12 and I thought it was a mishandle disaster. Then there was 13 which was similar to a plastic bag, it looks nice and shiny but it has no soul. Then we have 13/2 which has no right to exist and the other ones are being juggled around. While I would like to replay the only Final Fantasy game I liked, I also think if I played it today now being exposed to better RGP games I'd treat it the same way Yahtzee treated 13. At this point I'd be content if they just made Kingdom Hearts 3 and died off afterwards.

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