U.S. Government Proposes "Internet Kill Switch"

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Jack and Calumon:
Wait.... What? A kill switch? Would there be warning beforehand or would we just be told "We're Turning off your Internetz! HA!"

Actually, part of me hopes they don't give out a warning, like if someone is watching a *Ahem* certain Genre of video and just as it actually starts doing what *ahem* it promises... BOOM! You have no internet!

Calumon: I hope this doesn't catch on.

First and foremost, that's why you always have at least one standby burried on the drive somewhere.

Secondly, this would kill access to all the sites that file out of the US to other countries as well. In other words, not only will you not be able to access a sizable group of sites, but when you try to go to CNN to find out why, no luck there either.

Shut down the Internet? I'd like to see them try.

I expect there to be an unspoken "Don't show Obama 4chan" rule from then on in.

Why do I get the feeling that this is like the I.T. Crowd episode where they show Jen the 'internet' and its just a black box with a blinking light. It's pretty clear that these politicians have no idea what they're talking about. They're either trying to put more control on the internet or they've read Neuromancer WAY too many times.

sounds like rhetoric they use to get the Patriot Act to pass. and we all know how constitutional that was is <.<

TheRightToArmBears:

halo3rulzer:

TheRightToArmBears:
Whaaaaaaaaaat?

This is insane. I cannot think of any event that is even remotely feasible that would require the entire internet to be turned off.

If someone decided to hack into the Pentagon Network System (or whatever the hell it's called...) then I would find it a very effective way to stop it.

Surely the snart move would be to not have the Pentagon system connected to the wider internet?

Well there is only 1 internet... so it is kind of hard to not have the Pentagon connected to the internet. Especially when it needs to be. But what they can do(and have done) is make it so hard to hack that it's like trying to break into Fort Knox while wearing luminescent orange and having only a small stick to defend yourself. Keep in mind though that it still can be done and I still think that the whole kill switch idea is reasonable as long as they aren't trigger happy about it.

If this getīs passed

China will lead the rest of the world to freedom!

Woodsey:
Oh yeah?

Well the US government can suck my cock.

Awesome dude! Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Really... U.S. delusions of grandeur must stop cuz it's getting way out of hand.

so who will be rioting when uncle sam turns off the internet?

I hate this country... :/

brunt32:

spookydom:
The internet does not belong to the U.S government. It is not theres to shut down.

I don't think you understand what it's saying, They can't shut down the 'internet' but will shut off all the hosting which is owned within the US.
Also probably shutting down all US Isp, But for all of us Non-US we can still access the internet just not US stuff. Which isnt alot.

Totaly a fair point my freind, but that's not what I was trying to put across, If I may quote from the original article
"To counter those potential cyber-shenanigans, the bill would give a newly-formed National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications the authority to monitor the "security status" of private websites, ISPs and other net-related business within the U.S. as well as critical internet components in other countries."

This would effect everybody in the world imo. As you say this would not leave a lot of infroweb for the rest of us. I don't belive anybody should be comfortable with there government having that kind of power.

Lizmichi:
Oh my good lord. I can see it now, so we'll lose words in our language and they'll be able to listen to us threw our TVs. If anyone gets what I'm referencing I will be surprised.

Is that 1984 or Alphaville? They both had these two elements.

holographicman:
so who will be rioting when uncle sam turns off the internet?

All the men around the world who are deprived of their access to porn :)

Lieberman. Don't ever make the mistake of calling the man a democrat. He's a conservative nut job who claims he will caucus with whichever party is most likely to get him re-elected, and then goes right back to doing crap like this. This looks like a power grab to me; protesters organizing via internet? Shut it down. Even if the killswitch is never used, part of the bill is to make it so ISPs have to answer to the government in ways they almost got sued for when they did it to comply with the patriot act. I can't remember if they ever actually did, but I remember President Bush asking for blanket legal immunity for ISPs who did what he asked them to.

Lieberman's stated goal is to stop cyber-attacks, which is the newest scare-mongering strategy. Apparently, the internet is pretty easy to take down; there's some speculation that when several U.S. government websites went down a few years back, it was an attack by North Korea. This winds up in a big segment on the evening news at least once every couple of months. Basically, Lieberman is continuing the Bush era power grabs through fear mongering, and it really pisses me off that he keeps getting re-elected. Especially since, with his claim of caucusing with the democrats, he gives liberals a bad name as the people in favor of censorship and all sorts of other completely anti-liberal things -- when it's really just him and a couple of other DINOs.

Thank god I live in Canada.
But honestly it's only for times of emergency, then it would tell interneters to gtf off and check the breaking news bulletin for what emergency is going on.

This topic is misleading. It should be "Joe Lieberman suggests 'Internet Kill Switch.'"

"Oh no! A massive crisis! I think it best we turn off all communication lines so we cannot communicate to the people, and the people cannot communicate! That way, we're completely fucked if something terrible happens. Also, I fold carrots into underpants and wear them as a tribal head ornament in my new country which I shall call The Empire of RETARDIA."

Manji187:

holographicman:
so who will be rioting when uncle sam turns off the internet?

All the men around the world who are deprived of their access to porn :)

That was your 420th post :D

Kollega:

GrinningManiac:

On 6 August 1991, CERN, a pan European organization for particle research, publicized the new World Wide Web project. The Web was invented by British scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989. An early popular web browser was ViolaWWW, patterned after HyperCard and built using the X Window System. It was eventually replaced in popularity by the Mosaic web browser. In 1993, the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois released version 1.0 of Mosaic, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic, technical Internet. By 1996 usage of the word Internet had become commonplace, and consequently, so had its use as a synecdoche in reference to the World Wide Web.

So the APRAnet, or whatever "prototype" there was, dosen't count. Okay then.

I just think to myself regulary - "what's with British inventing and creating absolutely everything in human history from United States to paperclips?"

Just another person who thinks the Internet is all about HTML browsers Kollega. They don't understand ARPANet and what the Internet truly is. Ask most people and they'll say Internet Explorer is the Internet.

The Internet is not just for parsing and rendering HTML (and scripting). It's about making data accessible. The only role of the Internet is strict data transmission. What the entities connected to the Internet does with the data has no bearing on the data itself. The Internet truly is information.

As an aside browsers were built essentially to translate a markup language called HTML. HTML was based on the GML standard created by Goldfarb of IBM back in the early 70s. Standard GML was used in early applications such as Wordperfect and the use of tags would render text in italics and whatnot. The CERN guy referenced above only came up with Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) and created it in the early 90s. HTML was not publicly used until the HTML 2.0 standard in the mid 90's. The internet was being used well before this to transmit data from machine to machine well before the advent of HTML and HTML broswers. ISPs existed prior to 1990 and ARPA Net (what would become the internet) had 15 connected sites by 1971.

wow, even China doesn't have a 'kill switch'

Yay democracy

Tinneh:

Gxas:
Cyber 9/11? Am I terrible because I found that quite funny?

Terrible idea. Why should America choose when the entirety of the internet goes down?

I find it hilarious, albeit a fucking stupid idea. Ah well, Ireland for the win!

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You're a bad, bad man for saying that.

And I'm even worse for laughing at it.... :P

This is crazy though... it'd be like shooting yourself in the foot with a shotgun when you needed a funny toenail removed.

Distorted Stu:
Help! I accidently deleted the internet!

Ha, I hope they make it a giant lever that a clueless guard could accidently lean on, that would be awesome.

Gotta love the use of "cyber-911", you can always count on big brother to drum up scare tactics and buzz-words. On a serious note, this could herald a very bad thing. I think the bill is less for preventing a "cyber-911" and more to prevent videos getting posted on youtube during civil unrest and possible riots. Basically, they don't want what happened with Iran last June to happen here when the shit hits the fan and the people have finally had enough of a shitty economy, prolonged war, oil spill, unclean public restrooms, etc...

Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

If the killswitch actually becomes a reality, all I'll say is:
"Quick, hide /b/ before thy find it!"

But is it indeed a stupid mind-blowingly idiotic idea.

Kollega:

GrinningManiac:

On 6 August 1991, CERN, a pan European organization for particle research, publicized the new World Wide Web project. The Web was invented by British scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989. An early popular web browser was ViolaWWW, patterned after HyperCard and built using the X Window System. It was eventually replaced in popularity by the Mosaic web browser. In 1993, the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois released version 1.0 of Mosaic, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic, technical Internet. By 1996 usage of the word Internet had become commonplace, and consequently, so had its use as a synecdoche in reference to the World Wide Web.

So the APRAnet, or whatever "prototype" there was, dosen't count. Okay then.

I just think to myself regulary - "what's with British inventing and creating absolutely everything in human history from United States to paperclips?"

If he invented it doesnt he have in a way a claim to ownership? would the US need to approach him for permission to create an off switch?

Ladies and gentlemen: the Democratic Party.
Having to pick between these guys and the Republicans is the true cost of freedom.

... I actually saw the terrible TV movie he based this upon. Involved a group of cyber-turrusts breaking into the real white house to hijack the internet kill button. Not for ransom, but because the internet was a horrible, anti-patriotic place.

Also, the allusions to the insanity of the democratic party are kinda flawed. For every one left-wing crazy, theres three crazier right wingers.

Woodsey:
Oh yeah?

Well the US government can suck my cock.

Damn strait.

I'd like to point out that the Internet exists outside of the US. Does he mean they'll somehow detonate every router in the world at once or something? Will they take legal action against Chinese servers? Wouldn't it be stupid to black out a major source of communication in the US while every other country that poses a threat still has that communication source?

There's no chance in hell any arm of the government, especially military and intelligence would support that bill.

Woodsey:

JourneyThroughHell:

Woodsey:

JourneyThroughHell:

Woodsey:
Oh yeah?

Well the US government can suck my cock.

That's not the US government.
That's Joe Lieberman.
I doubt anyone takes the guy seriously.

Not a clue who he is (I'm British), but if that's the case then I retract my cock-sucking statement and issue it directly to Joe Lieberman.

Since I'm Russian, the only way I know of him is this.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/475/475503p1.html
Yeah.

Oh, he's one of those...

*sigh*

I, too, would like to retract my vitriol from the US government and invite Mr. Lieberman to dine upon the finest bowl of penis that money can buy.

What the fuck is this bullshit. Lieberman needs to piss off.

Lesser of two evils...

Why can't we get rid of these clowns and elect people who aren't evil...

Wandrecanada:
I'd like to point out that the Internet exists outside of the US. Does he mean they'll somehow detonate every router in the world at once or something? Will they take legal action against Chinese servers? Wouldn't it be stupid to black out a major source of communication in the US while every other country that poses a threat still has that communication source?

There's no chance in hell any arm of the government, especially military and intelligence would support that bill.

Its for homeland security. So clearly its just a way to enact a localized communications blackout, while all the people in the rest of the world wonder where 90% of the internet went.

GonzoQTortilla:
Lesser of two evils...

Why can't we get rid of these clowns and elect people who aren't evil...

Man who run for office say only what people want to hear.

Wandrecanada:

Kollega:

GrinningManiac:

On 6 August 1991, CERN, a pan European organization for particle research, publicized the new World Wide Web project. The Web was invented by British scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989. An early popular web browser was ViolaWWW, patterned after HyperCard and built using the X Window System. It was eventually replaced in popularity by the Mosaic web browser. In 1993, the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois released version 1.0 of Mosaic, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic, technical Internet. By 1996 usage of the word Internet had become commonplace, and consequently, so had its use as a synecdoche in reference to the World Wide Web.

So the APRAnet, or whatever "prototype" there was, dosen't count. Okay then.

I just think to myself regulary - "what's with British inventing and creating absolutely everything in human history from United States to paperclips?"

Just another person who thinks the Internet is all about HTML browsers Kollega. They don't understand ARPANet and what the Internet truly is. Ask most people and they'll say Internet Explorer is the Internet.

The Internet is not just for parsing and rendering HTML (and scripting). It's about making data accessible. The only role of the Internet is strict data transmission. What the entities connected to the Internet does with the data has no bearing on the data itself. The Internet truly is information.

As an aside browsers were built essentially to translate a markup language called HTML. HTML was based on the GML standard created by Goldfarb of IBM back in the early 70s. Standard GML was used in early applications such as Wordperfect and the use of tags would render text in italics and whatnot. The CERN guy referenced above only came up with Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) and created it in the early 90s. HTML was not publicly used until the HTML 2.0 standard in the mid 90's. The internet was being used well before this to transmit data from machine to machine well before the advent of HTML and HTML broswers. ISPs existed prior to 1990 and ARPA Net (what would become the internet) had 15 connected sites by 1971.

I would argue that the internet is an idea, and whoever thought of making a network accessible by anyone at all is the inventor of it. From what i know, and seeing as he was marked out from a team of people who would have been working on HTML it sounds like it would have been his idea to make a globaly accesible network, or world wide web.

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