Fine by me...

I don't want Diablo 3 anymore. I used to...but now I have Torchlight!

ummm well...
now I love Torchlight but the games need to be big advancements in the series, they can't just be the same game again.

That guy has some balls, but then he's right. Blizzard took 10 years to get out SC II, and people still were very critical of it (because it had such a crappy single player story). With Diablo III, I hope Blizzard hires some better writers. And, as for Torchlight, it's fun, but it's too....clicky (then again, Diablo is probably like that, I've never touched the thing).

Also, the guy doesn't seem bitter at all. not at ALL. surprising really, considering what happened to his old team.

One of the great mysteries of my life has to deal with Diablo and Torchlight. I loved Blizzard games, but I always disliked diablo. Then I picked up the shameless rip off inspired by Torchlight for a couple bucks off steam and I really really enjoyed it.

Was it all the modding? Hmm. I'm sure this is one of those mysteries of the universe that mortals were not ever meant to know, and if we ever did find out, it would surely drive us mad at the revelation.

I love Torchlight but unless they impliment something drastic after the second one I think ill skip it.

I'm just gonna go with quality > quantity, but I did like Torchlight...even though it got old painfully fast, and no multiplayer for that type of game is a big downer.

He's got one thing right, Diablo 3 has to be as perfect as is possible. The thing he neatly leaves out is that every Blizzard game has to be that way. I agree with him about not being envious of Blizzard's position with regard to polish, but I disagree with his assertion that Blizzard has an impossible task. I don't think, and no articles on Diablo 3 so far have indicated, that Blizzard is planning on launching a stripped down single-player game.

So? We're going to see a lot of things before Diablo 3. Like the flying car for instance. Or the first man on mars. And the first colony on mars. And first alien contact. Then the first intergalactic war. Then there's the invention of immortality of coarse. The evolution of man into bird people...

Knowing Starcraft 2 take 12 years just to remake the same game, I wouldn't pass Schaefer to release Torchlight 3 before Blizzard makes D3

I'm definitely excited about Diablo 3 but I have to say that the torchlight business model is more appealing considering I feel so cheated waiting for D3... years... I pre-ordered it in 2007!

I think I'll stick with Diablo III,sure it's not gonna be out for a while,but I have faith in Blizzard (who seems to be one of the few game designers who don't try to rush games out as quickly as possible)

So quantity is better than quality? I'm confused by the point he is trying to make. And if that is his point then Bobby Kotick has a job for him. Activision loves sucking a franchise dry with as many sequences of a game as possible.
Yes it has taken this long to get Diablo 3, but Blizzard has yet to let us down on what we have to wait for from them. Heck, I want to get into some Diablo 2 now.

So? It's not like Blizzard hasn't had anything other than massive financial success with long development cycles.

Diablo3 may not be for me, but Blizzard obviously know what they're doing.

Umm... you know why Blizzard takes so long with their games right? Because they take the time to polish them and make them great products. I'm not saying Torchlight is bad by any means, I'm just saying if they actually rush it with the intent to get Torchlight THREE out before Diablo 3, I feel it can only hurt the product.

Deathfish15:
That guy has some balls, but then he's right. Blizzard took 10 years to get out SC II, and people still were very critical of it (because it had such a crappy single player story). With Diablo III, I hope Blizzard hires some better writers. And, as for Torchlight, it's fun, but it's too....clicky (then again, Diablo is probably like that, I've never touched the thing).

Really, crappy singleplayer story? Where did you read that?

Wait so one of the main developers of Diablo 1 and 2 made one of the worst Diablo clones ever seen? I didn't expect that.

dochmbi:

Deathfish15:
That guy has some balls, but then he's right. Blizzard took 10 years to get out SC II, and people still were very critical of it (because it had such a crappy single player story). With Diablo III, I hope Blizzard hires some better writers. And, as for Torchlight, it's fun, but it's too....clicky (then again, Diablo is probably like that, I've never touched the thing).

Really, crappy singleplayer story? Where did you read that?

About every review of the game thus far. And, from personal experience. I won't put out spoilers, but the ending parts were foreseeable from the first 5 minutes of the game, and the rest was just cheesy rip-offs and corny story cliches.

Liquidcathedral:
loadsamoneyz in da vidya gayme business.

Buccura:
Umm... you know why Blizzard takes so long with their games right? Because they take the time to polish them and make them great products. I'm not saying Torchlight is bad by any means, I'm just saying if they actually rush it with the intent to get Torchlight THREE out before Diablo 3, I feel it can only hurt the product.

bro, they take so long because of wow, they need to constantly mantain that overgrown cow of a game and update the cow with the most up to date cow tchnology otherwise the ppl who drink the milk will be very mad.

Except Blizzard has two seperate teams working on WoW and Diablo III, so that argument doesn't hold water.

Anyway, I am not sure why Schaefer is emphasising that his development team is small, given that Blizzard also relies on smaller development teams. The StarCraft II team, for example, consists of about 40 people and I doubt the Diablo III team is any more numerous.

Onto the main topic, I don't understand why Schaefer thinks that Blizzard would want to recreate the first Torchlight to begin with. Diablo III has been substantially larger in size and scope ever since it's inception, so it's not like they were aiming for something like that.

It'll be hard as hell for blizz to catch up Torchlight, I consider Torchlight much better and funnier than Diablo 2, although it doesn't have a story as good, it's just way funnier than the Diablos.

As amazing as a Torchlight 3 would be, I'm still waiting for the MMO to happen... that, or make Torchlight 2 & 3 amazingly HUGE and epic... and add a great multiplayer to them.

Although, Blizz is known to make amazing games, as long as they take to come out, they always blows up the water with their titles... I may end up waiting for Diablo 3 and the Torchlight MMO instead of the Torchlights 2 & 3.

Diablo 3 will be released in six more years. I mean, c'mon, it's Blizzard we're talking here.

Liquidcathedral:

Tom Phoenix:

Liquidcathedral:
loadsamoneyz in da vidya gayme business.

Buccura:
Umm... you know why Blizzard takes so long with their games right? Because they take the time to polish them and make them great products. I'm not saying Torchlight is bad by any means, I'm just saying if they actually rush it with the intent to get Torchlight THREE out before Diablo 3, I feel it can only hurt the product.

bro, they take so long because of wow, they need to constantly mantain that overgrown cow of a game and update the cow with the most up to date cow tchnology otherwise the ppl who drink the milk will be very mad.

Except Blizzard has two seperate teams working on WoW and Diablo III, so that argument doesn't hold water.

derp. you say my argument is wrong and then prove it right. wtf is this, escapist bros? this made me rage even more than usual.

Wow doesn't require any mantinence that consumes a huge amount of time and effort, not at all. derprage

they spent all that time ''polishing'' starcraft 2 (12 years bro, that means starcraft 2 took longer to make than both ww1 and ww2 to stop - combined), the PERFECT RTS, of all time, of all time and i've heard the main campaign is pretty dumb ahe terrans are pretty op in multiplayer. RAGE

How exactly did I prove your argument right? There are seperate teams developing World of WarCraft and Diablo III. That means that the development of WoW content has no bearing on how fast or slow Diablo III is being developed, which goes against what you implied in your original post.

Also, StarCraft II's development didn't take 12 years. Infact, they only started laying the foundations for the game in 2003, after the release of the Frozen Throne expansion pack. Even then, however, proper development didn't really kick off until 2005.

As for the state of SC2's multiplayer. While there certainly are imbalances in the game currently, that was to be expected. Afterall, no matter how well you polish the game, the true balancing process only starts once you release the game to the public and they use this to try and break the game.

Either way, however, it is still a lot more balanced than it's predecessor was at this stage of it's life cycle. But just like the original StarCraft required patching to get the balance right, so will the sequel.

Liquidcathedral:
loadsamoneyz in da vidya gayme business.

Buccura:
Umm... you know why Blizzard takes so long with their games right? Because they take the time to polish them and make them great products. I'm not saying Torchlight is bad by any means, I'm just saying if they actually rush it with the intent to get Torchlight THREE out before Diablo 3, I feel it can only hurt the product.

bro, they take so long because of wow, they need to constantly mantain that overgrown cow of a game and update the cow with the most up to date cow tchnology otherwise the ppl who drink the milk will be very mad.

I won't argue that WoW does slow down other Blizzard projects, but bare in mind Blizzard has always taken a long time with their games even before WoW. I still remember, "Diablo II coming in 1998!" then, "Diablo II, coming in 1999!!" and finally in 2000 we get Diablo II. And lets not forget Operation CWAL for StarCraft, no not the cheat code, the online group who was tired of waiting so long for the game.

Games take longer to make these days than ever. Think about how long it takes for the average first person shooter to get released these days, and I do mean average shooters.

Like I said though, I'm not disputing the fact that Blizzard still has a huge focus on WoW. Can't blame them though, I mean it's so incredibly profitable for them, why should they take away focus from it?

oranger:
Also, the guy doesn't seem bitter at all. not at ALL. surprising really, considering what happened to his old team.

Why the fuck would he have a reason to be bitter? He and half of Blizzard North left Blizzard, he didn't got fired or something. Though I'd sure as hell be bittered about making such a stupid decision if you refer to that...

And no thanks, I neither want Torchlight 1.2 nor Torchlight 1.3
As others said already. Quality >>>>>>>>>>> quantity. Oh and boy did Torchlight have a low quality. Lore, story, balance and many gameplay design choices left me with a lot to desire.
It's pretty pathetic to see them not doing anything new, that works, at all. They kept the shitty potion system, the shitty Portal system, the shitty mass useless item drop system and what did they add? A, duo to anyways broken balance, pointless Pet system. But yeah, at least the Pet helped a bit with the exaggerated high drop ratio of items ._.

Yeah the came is cheap, in price and experience.