Mafia 2 Producer Apologizes for "Gay Space Marine" Comment

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Mafia 2 Producer Apologizes for "Gay Space Marine" Comment

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Mafia 2 producer Denby Grace has apologized after causing offense with a supposedly funny comment in an interview.

Over the weekend, Grace commented that the biggest problem that the videogame industry faced at the moment was an "obsession with gay space marines." While the comment was meant as a joke, it still upset some people, and Grace has issued a formal apology.

He said that his intention had been to make a funny comment on the "hyper-macho 'bromance'" that he thought was increasingly common in videogames, but that he had regrettably done so in an insensitive way. He described his comment as "thoughtless," and apologized unreservedly for any offense he might have caused.

This really highlights one of the main problems with communicating via the internet: You can never be entirely sure who your audience actually is and so you have to be careful about what you say. Grace didn't mean any harm by his comment, but his choice of words has muddied the point he was trying to make.

Source: Gaygamer

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Oh. Well, okay then. I'm glad we had this resolved.

Still, better choice of words next time.

Yes, he could have chosen his words better. On the other hand, he shouldn't have to. It was obvious what he meant. People should have worked out what his intention was before jumping straight to getting offended and huffy. And develop some thicker skins while they're at it.

I knew what he meant...It wasn't hard to figure out.

Also, I love how "gay" has become a general insult in today's world.

Even related to objects.

Hyper-macho bromance. Ain't it the truth. But he was right the first time. Gay space marines, right on the nose.

Fortunately, in the future we wont have to worry about gay space marines anymore since all future games will be about the extremely heterosexual Duke Nukem after his epic success with Duke Nukem Forever.
Balls of steel baby.

No, the problem with communication, via the internet or any other modern medium is some easily hurt douchebag reading it and being able to express their displeasure instantly. The second problem is spinelessness. So you made a funny, apt, but insensitive comment? Stand by it! Don't apologize just because a few people who probably weren't your audience anyway got offended.

I'm going to need someone to help me out here, why is what he said so offensive to x,y and z?

I couldn't help but laugh at this, i knew there would be some sort of PC backlash. If not from angry gamers who buy games featuring 'gay space marines' than from the gay community itself for discrimination.

I suppose it doesn't make it any less true. It's the 300 dilemma all over again. Oh sure, people like the almighty strong naked SPARTAAA moments that make manly men feel masculine, but that doesn't stop it from being incredibly homoerotic.

But as the demographic is - surprise surprise - 18-35 white males, they all get off on a power trip from being a badass in power armour. Don't think you're going to change that any time soon, particularly as the gender divide is so strong in the industry, what with women being marketed things like the wii and HARDCORE JOCKS RAWR being marketed gay space marines on the 360. I know the industry is only giving them what they want, but it's only reinforcing this divide even stronger.

Maybe it's not a bad thing. Maybe we're trying too hard to bring everyone together. Maybe people should just play what they want and leave each other alone. Who knows?

ive been wracking my brains for the last day trying to work out if there are any gay space marines, didnt realise he just meant bromance. i can see how that would be funny in your head

Source: Gaygamer

Are they really irritated by it or just want something gay and newsworthy for their site?

It's really not a bad comment, he shouldn't need to apologise for it.

Well, that was very queer of Denby Grace.

Ugh. I'm disgusted.

Don't apoligise. Never apoligise. Have the guts to stand by your words. When you're asked a question you should give your honest answer. And if someone wants to get all uppity about it, the appropriate response is to raise your middle finger and say "I don't give a fuck."

I was under the impression that he got flack because he insulted an old and boring stereotype[1] even though he's the producer of a game that is filled with old and boring stereotypes[2]

It's like insulting a PC Gamer for having an old PC while being a console gamer who only has a Sega Genesis.

[1] Space marines and bromance
[2] Mafia 2 didn't exactly do anything new with the Mafia.

Sigh.

Its a shame, in this hyper-political-correct world, that even a seemingly insignificant joke like this has to draw controversy.

I thought the joke was obvious enough. But I guess lack of intonation over the internet shall always have its issues...

Whats wrong with lively and colourful space marines?

Oh good heavens. People need to grow a damn spine, and stop being insulted by every little thing.

People should learn to laugh at themselves. What he said has a good semblance of truth in it; it's just the fact that there is a massive elitist fanbase for these kinds of "gay space-marine" games that have been released over the last few years. And we all know that elitist fanbases find it difficult to poke fun at themselves.

If Denby Grace had to apologise for what he said, why don't we make Yahtzee beg for forgiveness on his knees, for every amusing jibe he has thrown EVERYONE's way? He should also suck a horse's dick while he's doing it...that'll teach everyone on the internet not to make fun of people .

I don't get why he had to apologize.

Nothing wrong with hyper-masculine figures, often sweaty from their day of fighting, alone, with only their partners in space traveling to their next objective.

Theres also nothing wrong if said space marines cuddle for warmth, or share a nice hot shower after a day of dispensing hot lead/plasma.

...

In all seriousness, cmon. You made a game about the MAFIA, and you're appologizing for making fun of Space Marines?

Even if he did choose the words "gay", its not that big of a deal. Its common place in the English language to use "gay" as an insult; and I happen to not see a problem with it as long as its not used as an insult towards gay people. (same with other words used to mean something is boring, stupid, etc.)

I think Micheal Scott says it best... "You dont call a retarded people retards, its just bad taste. You call your friends retards when their acting retarded"

Gamers are a certain type of people. If we dont demand an appology from Molyneux for Fable 2, we DONT need an appology for saying "the g word".

In Google Reader the headline has been cut to "Mafia 2 Producer Apologizes for 'Gay Space Marine'". My first thought: A gay space marine in Mafia 2? Well, that's... imaginative.

As for Mr. Grace's comment, his point is valid. No reason for folks to get their panties in a bunch over it.

Sad, his main point has been lost amidst knee jerk offendees.

PC culture 'wins' again.

Don't Poke My Bobcat:
Sad, his main point has been lost amidst knee jerk offendees.

PC culture 'wins' again.

His "main point" has been made repeatedly by people who have made it much clearer in the past. The only reason we are hearing his version is because he said it in a stupid way and his game was worse than many military shooters.

I don't see why he felt the need to apologize. These days we're spending too much time tiptoeing around insulting or insensitive words...

Everybody (okay, fine... a lot of people) use the word gay, especially gay people, so why is it that as soon as someone in the media spotlight says it, it suddenly becomes an unknown and uncalled for insult? Pfft.

zombiesinc:
I don't see why he felt the need to apologize. These days we're spending too much time tiptoeing around insulting or insensitive words...

Everybody (okay, fine... a lot of people) use the word gay, especially gay people, so why is it that as soon as someone in the media spotlight says it, it suddenly becomes an unknown and uncalled for insult? Pfft.

My thoughts exactly. I'm convinced that political correctness is destroying society.

I'm bothered less by the political incorrectness of the statement and more by the fact that he thought it was funny and that they actually put people this immature and with this lousy a sense of humor in major positions in the industry. What's next, a "poopy" joke?

I don't disagree with the man at all, and I think the knee-jerk reaction is kind of insane, but at the same time we're supposed to be looking to his studio to show us what good narrative is, and all he can do in an interview is use the kind of language that twelve-year-olds who play games about gay space marines use.

People take all these comments too seriously. He obviously didn't mean to offend the gay community, but the world is filled with soccer mum-like clones.

What's there to apologize for? You gotta have a problem to take THAT seriously.

Also, it's true. Why apologize for that?

What the hell? Nowadays you have to apoligise for being right???

Not so much this, but I do think it's bad when professional comedians make a joke that then gets 'out' from their live set, into the hands of a journalist, who then takes it around to people who'd be most offended by it, then runs a story with 'Comedian's sick gag about dead babies slammed by Cot Death Society', when they'd never have heard it if it hadn't been forced on them by some fuckwit media tool. (yes I'm partly referring to Jimmy Carr's 'amputee' joke among many other examples.)

In THAT situation, I wish the comedians would all stand as one and go 'No, I won't apologise, maybe the journalist should apologise for telling sick jokes to people who'd be offended by them, whereas I tell mine to paying audiences who choose to see me. Also, I don't find dead babies funny, it's a tragedy, however, I do think a JOKE can be made funny about anything.'

As for the 'gay' comment, it's been blown out of all proportion, tho of course, if you're in the public eye you can't really say anything even slightly dubious. He wasn't saying gay is bad, he's saying that too much of a certain stereotype in gaming is bad, he phrased it badly by shrinking 'homoerotic overtones' down to simply 'gay'.

Saying there's too many gingers in Girls Aloud, that's possibly offensive. Saying there's too many generic shooters with generic cookie cutter manly heroes in gaming (for example, not saying that's exactly what he said), that's just an opinion, not an offensive one.

Marq:
Ugh. I'm disgusted.

Don't apologise. Never apologise. Have the guts to stand by your words. When you're asked a question you should give your honest answer. And if someone wants to get all uppity about it, the appropriate response is to raise your middle finger and say "I don't give a fuck."

Those of us that arn't massive misanthropes do give a fuck though.
I don't recall him apologising for his comment, only for any offensive he unwittingly caused by the use of "gay" in a slightly negative context.

Onyx Oblivion:
I knew what he meant...It wasn't hard to figure out.

Also, I love how "gay" has become a general insult in today's world.

Even related to objects.

Me too. It boggles the mind how supposedly liberal minded people refer to poor eventws like "I just got fired" - "Oh that's gay".

I mean I can understand that they might not have a problem with homosexuality, but when the fuck did it become okay to substitute 'gay' for 'bad' or 'horrible'?

I mean if you were to substitute it with a racist slur people would probably knock your block off.

"Oh man ... Computer got a virus."

"Dude! That's slanty eyed"

<.< Not exactly a good thing is it? Why exactly is this not extended to sexuality? o.o

All is well that ends well...though I cant disagree with what he said still heh

Well that's not a very appropriate image. 40K space marines are the MANLIEST MEHREENS EVER. They're not interested in men or women, just crushing the enemies of the EMPRA.

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