Final Fantasy XIV's Poor Launch Leads to Trial Extension

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They need to make a FINAL Final Fantasy. It needs to be written by Yasumi Matsuno. You know, the guy who wrote the story for both Vargrant Story and Final Fantasy Tactics. The guy that got sick while writing the story for FFXII and had to leave. That's why FFXII's story felt so jumbled people. This guy needs to write what I guess we'll be calling FF15. It needs to be the last one we see for maybe a console generation. Square Enix needs to sit down and actually think about where they want to take it after that. They maybe should just even start remaking FF 7. That's all that they could do without making more people pissed off.

Well maybe they should actually, y'know, FINISH THE GAME. Seriously, it's embarrassing they'd release it in this state.

MasochisticMuse:

Tom Goldman:
Square Enix may not have released the caliber of product that typically bears the Final Fantasy name.

You mean like FFXIII? Making a shitty movie interspersed player-controlled episodes of running from Point A to Point B does not count as a "game". At the very least they could have marketed it as a "minimally interactive film" rather than a "video game".

You mean like FFX right? Seriously, they stopped making open world FF games a while ago.

yanipheonu:

MasochisticMuse:

You mean like FFXIII? Making a shitty movie interspersed player-controlled episodes of running from Point A to Point B does not count as a "game". At the very least they could have marketed it as a "minimally interactive film" rather than a "video game".

You mean like FFX right? Seriously, they stopped making open world FF games a while ago.

That's true. But at least the combat in FFX required more player input than just pressing X. And the summons you got were actually useful, and they had some dignity instead of transforming into motorcycles or go-karts.

Of all the things they could do to this series, remaking FF7 isn't among them. We already have Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, and Crisis Core. How much could you milk the game before it runs dry?

I bought the collectors edition which let me play early and it cost $75.

biggest waste of money I spent.

This MMO is just awful in it's current state and would take a massive amount of hotfixes and patches to be on par with other MMO games.

Should have spent one more year in development before release. If you can't even do simple things as get profession order correct (example is a low level craftable item 1 requires a materials that you would have to be a higher crafter at 10 to make). If you cant even get that right don't even bother releasing.

poiumty:
Don't like the game? PLAY MORE OF IT!

Haha, this is what I was gonna say! Like, what kind of reward is letting them play a shit game for longer. If Square had guts, they could pull it from the shelf and do-over the whole thing. But they're Square Enix, so they don't.

I wonder if this is all just a ploy, akin to New Coke (I have my theories about this regarding Windows Vista, too). You release the crappiest product possible, dressed up all "good", and then you release your next thing and it's the saviour of your beloved franchise. Final Fantasy XV comes out and is the best Final Fantasy yet, and everyone looks back on XIV as "that shit one".

Happened with Windows Vista too, they burned out Vista in a few days amid a flurry of hype, it was shit, then the announce Windows 7 and it saves us from Vista and it's abundance of bugs and poorly thought out features.

But most likely scenario is, Square is just dumb.

Tom Goldman:
and instead Square Enix may not have released the caliber of product that typically bears the Final Fantasy name.

This is the part that always gets me. Who had high expectations for this game? I used to enjoy Square games, when they were actually good (pretty much just the SNES ones). We're talking about the company that made Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy 8, why isn't there a Square cycle like the Sonic cycle? Then again, we're talking about the gamer community that claims to enjoy Kingdom Hearts and FF8, so you get the game you deserve, I guess.

yanipheonu:

MasochisticMuse:

Tom Goldman:
Square Enix may not have released the caliber of product that typically bears the Final Fantasy name.

You mean like FFXIII? Making a shitty movie interspersed player-controlled episodes of running from Point A to Point B does not count as a "game". At the very least they could have marketed it as a "minimally interactive film" rather than a "video game".

You mean like FFX right? Seriously, they stopped making open world FF games a while ago.

There has never been an "open world" FF game.

Arkhangelsk:

elvor0:

Arkhangelsk:

GamesB2:
I still don't understand why they feel the need to release Final Fantasy MMOs.

I instantly am not going to play one because of subscription fees, I have an expensive enough lifestyle as it is without having to pay per month to play a game.

Just stop trying to make multiplayer ones and spend more time remaking FF7. You know we all want it anyway.

Thought we'd all been over that the remake is never gonna happen.

Given the massive dead start of FF14, which I assume the idea of which was to make a money printing machine (one of the side or even main goal of making an mmo in the first place), they might as well just make FF7 again, because that WOULD be a money printing machine, as all they'd have to do was add voice acting and improve the graphics, they've got everything else planned, all of which would make a successful and very lucrative game, so they might as well.

Well, if you remember, it would take ages to make even with the best developers, and Square just don't have the time or money to just focus on one game for that long a time.

I know they keep saying that, but the old Final Fantasy team made Lost Odyssey and that game was huge. Claiming it'd take forever is just an excuse not to try. Besides, all the people responsible for the good Final Fantasies left Square Enix years ago, so how good could a FFVII remake by the current team be?

megs1120:

Arkhangelsk:

elvor0:

Arkhangelsk:

GamesB2:
I still don't understand why they feel the need to release Final Fantasy MMOs.

I instantly am not going to play one because of subscription fees, I have an expensive enough lifestyle as it is without having to pay per month to play a game.

Just stop trying to make multiplayer ones and spend more time remaking FF7. You know we all want it anyway.

Thought we'd all been over that the remake is never gonna happen.

Given the massive dead start of FF14, which I assume the idea of which was to make a money printing machine (one of the side or even main goal of making an mmo in the first place), they might as well just make FF7 again, because that WOULD be a money printing machine, as all they'd have to do was add voice acting and improve the graphics, they've got everything else planned, all of which would make a successful and very lucrative game, so they might as well.

Well, if you remember, it would take ages to make even with the best developers, and Square just don't have the time or money to just focus on one game for that long a time.

I know they keep saying that, but the old Final Fantasy team made Lost Odyssey and that game was huge. Claiming it'd take forever is just an excuse not to try. Besides, all the people responsible for the good Final Fantasies left Square Enix years ago, so how good could a FFVII remake by the current team be?

Still, Final Fantasy VII is a massive game if it were made into a full high definition game. Have you ever looked at how the big world is, and the huge landscapes in the background, and how much work it would make to do that? Let's not forget all the cutscenes, all the FMV's, the battle animations, and so on.

Its probably going to end soon just like APB but in a shorter timespan.

Have you played Lost Odyssey? It's similarly enormous.

Arkhangelsk:

GamesB2:
I still don't understand why they feel the need to release Final Fantasy MMOs.

I instantly am not going to play one because of subscription fees, I have an expensive enough lifestyle as it is without having to pay per month to play a game.

Just stop trying to make multiplayer ones and spend more time remaking FF7. You know we all want it anyway.

Thought we'd all been over that the remake is never gonna happen.

Since spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a complete flop in it's place is a much better business move.

Zing!

Oh wait...I in no way proved you wrong :(.

Well I guess Zing to Square...for...you know...screwing the pooch.

MasochisticMuse:

yanipheonu:

MasochisticMuse:

You mean like FFXIII? Making a shitty movie interspersed player-controlled episodes of running from Point A to Point B does not count as a "game". At the very least they could have marketed it as a "minimally interactive film" rather than a "video game".

You mean like FFX right? Seriously, they stopped making open world FF games a while ago.

That's true. But at least the combat in FFX required more player input than just pressing X. And the summons you got were actually useful, and they had some dignity instead of transforming into motorcycles or go-karts.

I loved 12. I was under the assumption they could do little to no wrong after that game.

But...yeah then 13 hit and I am not sure what happened.

I assume the executed the entire team that worked on 12?

The biggest issue I had with 11: Having to spend a long time walking to get from the simplest point A to point B. Even if just to start a quest. Second biggest: Having to grind for a disproportionate amount of time to level up, with little reward. Sad to see both haven't been addressed. It's like they decided to go for the hardcore group that loved FF11 for what it was, rather than try appeal to a larger audience.

Seems like a lot of SE's plans are falling apart... the whole Fabula Nova Crystallis and now this.

NOTE: I am okay with having to walk for long stretches of time, I played Fallout 3... but then again in FO, I wasn't paying per month.

I purchased FF 14 collectors edition, upgraded my pc with 1k in new hardware and stuff, release day comes...i play...what a dissapointment, really? is that all they can make after all thsoe years in development, id rather play lotro again

I'm going to assume that nobody is going to be offended if I respond directly to some of the above posts without using [boxes of quotations [within boxes of quotations [within boxes of quotations]]].

Kalezian and company; I've been playing FFXI since NA release, and I'm still playing. They've had a server merge event, but regardless of this the game still turns a profit and has a strong enough player base to warrant a new director, instead of being allowed to stagnate. A person just starting would probably only see players levelling their support jobs or crafting, because the central towns, and the towns in the past are where most players are because the game's been out for a long time. I don't know if this is the case with WoW, but it wouldn't surprise me if the original starting towns were mostly vacant there as well. Taking this as a measure of how successful the game is backwards; if the game was doing POORLY it wouldn't have many expansion packs and the starting towns would be more populus becasue there'd be nowhere else for the player base to migrate to in-game. Mind blowing stuff for the average hater.

Disclaimer: I am assuming most people only play one p2p MMO at a time in the following statements, if this is not true for you in particular I apologize for stereotyping you, you giant neckbearded manchild, you. The greatest major difference as far as I can tell is that FFXI came out before WoW, so FFXI players had to leave FFXI for it, but FFXIV is coming out after WoW, which means WoW players will have to leave that for it. Japan, however, has never been portrayed as anything if not isolationist and ethnocentric (or maybe I should stop reading trash like Time magazine and The Globe aand Mail), so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't even think about that for an instant, unless WoW is big in Japan.

SE could have learned from the release of FFXI; which had NA players quitting because of hostile JP players, and JP players quitting when the NA gaijins invaded their game and brought their RMTs and bots with them. The fact that the NA release meant that FFXI was done wading around in the shalow niche side of the pool and trying to swim with the big kids wasn't the NA's fault, and SE's system allowed for the easy abuse of RMTs is beside the point from the perspective of the average JP player. The goddamned dojins even had anti-NA propoganda in them (not that I'd ever read such filth). SE could have learned from the lukewarm release of WaR as well, which didn't have several features because the developers thought they were 'rubbish' such as dancing, and was poorly balanced bewteen the Alliance and Horde ... I mean Order and Chaos factions (yes I know GW existed first). WaR, however, was developed in Britian, not Glorious Nippon, and that takes me back to the previous point about isolationisim.

That the release of FFXI was staggered because of hardware issues (the NA PS2 HDD) rather than SE being foppish and incompotent (not the I'm not calling SE foppish and incompotent) doesn't change that it effected the game negatively, and it doesn't change the fact that they've allowed history to repeat itself. They do, however, have investors they need to satisfy, so they probably didn't believe that they had much choice.

I intended to play it, but after seeing the fees: $10 + $3 Per Character, I don't think I ever want to try it.

Arkhangelsk:

GamesB2:
I still don't understand why they feel the need to release Final Fantasy MMOs.

I instantly am not going to play one because of subscription fees, I have an expensive enough lifestyle as it is without having to pay per month to play a game.

Just stop trying to make multiplayer ones and spend more time remaking FF7. You know we all want it anyway.

Thought we'd all been over that the remake is never gonna happen.

Oh it's gonna happen. Squenix is just saving it for when they're gonna need it the most.

[pictures the bigshots at Squenix pulling a Hotrod from Transformers The Movie as it ships out]

"Now, light our darkest hour!"

*"The Touch" plays in the background*

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