Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

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darkstone:
I originally read the title "Richard Simmons declares war on anonymous"....

Thank god somebody will finally try to GET THEM IN SHAPE

"Commence a jiggling"

derelix:
*Ye olde Snip*

Okay, so i actually read that part now. What you are referring to is something entirely different from the Interdependence of modern Technology. Of course we could survive without a big TV, or a Computer, or the Internet. We couldnt survive without Electricity though, Water Recycling Plants, Food Factories and so forth, there are two Reasons for that. The first is the most simplest of all, we are dependent on that due to the large Population if you consider the global scale. Without it a few billion would die, which equally points to Reason 2 in this, we have forgotten how to hunt for Food and make due with the simplest of means, we have become so dependent on that simple Fact that without it, we would die.

Oh sure Humans would survive, but if that were to happen, our whole Soceity would collapse almost instantly. All Progress would be lost in mere Weeks from the Point of removal. We would devolve into a tribal form of Soceity. Which then again leads to another Point you made, you spoke about making Rules and enforcing them, depending on values, may i remind you that, in such a Case, its a simplistic Rule of the strongest? Rape, Murder and whatnot would be common by comparison. You know why? Because its Nature, the strong survive, the strong make the Rules, so all those Rapists and Murderers and Thieves would be the ones making the Rules because they are less "moral" about it. The only Reason we have even advanced as far as we have is because due to that rapid Progress, due to technology and the requirement for a fitting Soceity.

At the end of the Day, if you strip all that away, every single piece of current Day Soceity, we would be Animals by comparison, because deep down, thats what we are, we just learned to supress these darker Parts of our Nature, at least most do. Or to put it more simple even, take it all away, all of the technology, all laws, everything. You end up with 6 Billion Humans who all want to be the only one that is right, its simply everyone against everyone after that Point.

May not make much sense, but im rather tired right now, so please excuse me for that.

Ah, Gene Simmons vs. Anonymous. A guy so old I wouldn't have been surprised to learn he was dead, and the collective will of thousands of internet posters.

Alright, let's set up the situation here.

Anonymous is thousands of people, and not all of them download music. And even less of them are part of the attacks on Simmons. Probably. (I cannot cite a source, I'm guessing here)

Then, he declares war on Anonymous. Alright, so now he has the attention of ANYONE who dislikes the idea of being raped in prison.

Simmons is worth, give or take, $300 million.
Add to that, the might (Hehe) of whatever law enforcement he can muster.

Thus far, the FBI have proven that they can...
Act on Anonymous info and stop REAL crimes, and totally FAIL at taking on Anonymous in any way shape or form. They work better together than appart, as the majority of people prefer obeying the law.
...At least, the ones they agree with.

As for Simmons' resources, all the moralfags (Er, Anti-$cientology Anons) have been succesfully combating an entire cult, who use illegal activity, large amounts of (deceptively gained) cash, and hundreds of members to cripple anyone who stands against them.

Simmons, however, is fighting a legal battle!
So, the battlefield is different! He cannot use illegal activity, for one, without it being so well publicised that he'll be splattered all over the news faster than World War III. Whereas Anonymous, as much as they SHOULDN'T, obviously, can use whatever means they like, because they are not one individual, or even an actual organisation. They are not organised. They are just like-minded in various ways, working towards a common goal with individual actions.

I won't argue the legality or morality of Pirating or whatnot. I am not an expert. I do not download music, but nor do I begrudge those who do. I simply don't care. There hasn't been an album worth purchasing in the last ten years for me.
I can see both sides of the argument. Being an Aussie gamer, I see ridiculous prices for horrible, horrible games being equal to the ridiculous prices for genuinely good games. So I can understand wanting to test them out before purchasing.
I use other methods that don't cost me (Friends with disposable income who love games + borrowing = Oh hey this sucks OR Oh hey I like this, I'm willing to shell out for it) to test them, because the quality is SO varied at the same price range. However, I can also see why an artist (and their developer, producer, whatever) wants to get paid when they put money into a project.
The problem is, if the game (or whatever) is crap, THEY DON'T DESERVE MONEY. Their job is to provide entertainment, enjoyment and/or ART! But there is no way to KNOW whether it is worth the money without paying for it, according to the law!
Bull.
Demos are lies and misdirection, and honestly, who listens to the radio any more?

The only "moral choice" I can plainly see is the decision to actually go out and pay for the stuff you actually plan to continue using. Even if you still use the Pirated version (Take THAT, lousy DRM that ruins the game!), at least paying for the good stuff ensures that it's going to keep getting made based on quality, not the number of people who bought it who didn't know how to/want to pirate it.

Yes, it's hard to justify to your wallet the fact that you're paying for something you already, um... "borrowed"... but to ensure quality, and keep the good artists alive, it's the only way.
Oh, and be sure to spread the word if the (insert art item here)is good!

As for Gene Simmons, he's not losing ANY sales to Pirates. Anyone pirating his recent stuff is stupid or weird, and people Pirating his old stuff wouldn't PAY for it either way, because they aren't going to give money to someone who hasn't done anything worth payment since before I was born!

He is just a greedy, old, washed up man, going against the young, powerful will of the internet, as decided by the majority of it's users!

And as for those who think going after 4chan will actually hurt Anonymous, I have some Snake Oil here that will cure your stupid.
It began on 4chan, sure, a lot of things did. But these days? Heh.
No, Gene, 4chan is not a real target any more.
eBaumsWorld, however, is the CORE of Anonymous. Take it out, and it will be a blow like they have never seen before.

Anyway, I THINK that's all I have to say on the matter...
I tend to ramble, sorry.
And, to make it abundantly clear, I'm with Anonymous, if only because they're right and Gene Simmons is a giant (insert phallic joke).
Anonymous can only be said to have acted when a majority agrees. Power to the people. The supposed goal of governments around the world has been achieved by a "group" with no leader, structure, culture, race, or purpose.
It's really quite interesting...

V'icternus:
And as for those who think going after 4chan will actually hurt Anonymous, I have some Snake Oil here that will cure your stupid.
It began on 4chan, sure, a lot of things did. But these days? Heh.
No, Gene, 4chan is not a real target any more.
eBaumsWorld, however, is the CORE of Anonymous. Take it out, and it will be a blow like they have never seen before.

I see what you did there...

On the Rest however, rather spot on...i tried to explain that as well but eh..i was tired and sleepy and couldnt get it right xD

No offense to the man but he's in for a fight he cant win, if people want it but don't want to buy it just a download they'll get it. He can set out the rules create new laws against downloading from the web but her cant control the people's will. That will make them more aggressive on this i do remember seeing Metallica trying to do the same with Napster and they pissed a lot of fans.

Other than the fact that there are more people that have gone used to downloading music from the Internet they just cant go back to buying the music at the stores.

Wow guys! I didn't believe it at first, but Anonymous sure did get beaten by Gene Simmons, eh?

I mean they don't exist anymore, do they?

...Right?

Agreed, you can't beat Anonymous. The fury of young people projecting their hate at targets "someone" says is viable with a vague sense of authority is a never-ending fuel. Simmons, however, is kind of old and kind of ignorant... But since he's got money to burn this should be amusing!

So his genious idea is to sue what is essentially the internet? Good luck with that Gene. Hope it works out for you.

To be honest im rooting for Gene on this one!

Ha! That's hilarious! I really don't think Gene Simmons understands the internet. And to make matters funnier, he's going all "cyber police" and "backtraced it" about it. This is hilarious and (almost) unbelievable and I don't think anything's going to come of it.
I'm no fan of Anonymous, but I'm totally ok with Gene Simmons being cut down for his "business first, money first" attitude.

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