Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

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Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

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Xbox 360 videogame pirates that recently updated the dashboard will find their illegal abilities sorely reduced.

A major dashboard update hit Xbox 360 consoles on November 1, adding Kinect compatibility, features such as a Netflix search and ESPN streaming content, and it moved things around enough to anger independent developers. According to new information, Microsoft evidently also included a stealth update that protects the Xbox 360 from piracy.

The update, being referred to as "AP 2.5," apparently locks out copied games from Xbox Live and will stop them from booting up at all. The method of its operation is not yet clear, but AP 2.5 basically involves a new disc check.

If that disc check isn't passed, the console running a pirated disc will be flagged for a ban from Xbox Live. The game itself won't load, and will give the player an "unrecognizable disc" error. Hackers have already determined that Fable III has this AP 2.5 protection, and it'll likely be in all future discs as well. This is said to be the first time that "backup" games have been negated in such a way.

The battle against videogame piracy will never end, but Sony got off a good salvo earlier this year and now Microsoft is doing some damage of its own. If we hear about a large number of Xbox Live bans in the near future, they'll probably be the result of this new piracy defense method.

Source: Eurogamer

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I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

Screw Pirates, it makes me sad too. It looks like shit.

Tankichi:
I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

^ this.
People with hacked consoles don't play online because xbox live automatically fucks up their xbox when it detects the mods.
There are a very few exceptions, but for the most part, people with mods on their xboxes don't want to play online even if they could.
I'm guessing it'll take about 2-3 weeks for them to crack it.

9/10, hackers get their way.

Tankichi:
I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

Because you want to play multiplayer games online.

This has happened before. I know a guy who got caught back when Mw2 was released and a bunch of people got banned for it. The hardware gets ruined too. Which is a horrible thing because some people will go trade in their consoles and unless they get checked for online capability, some unfortunate sod could end up with it.

Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

why would anyone need to inform someone on updates, it just happens to make things better
e.g.: anti-piracy

Flamezdudes:
For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

Yeah. Go honesty. HAH!

serves them right to be honest

I was under the impression that most pirate 360s are still using the original dashboard, with the blades and whatnot.

But yea, as said above, I give this a month tops to be cracked. And I bet they spent some millions developing this copy protection.

Jesus Phish:

Tankichi:
I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

Because you want to play multiplayer games online.

This has happened before. I know a guy who got caught back when Mw2 was released and a bunch of people got banned for it. The hardware gets ruined too. Which is a horrible thing because some people will go trade in their consoles and unless they get checked for online capability, some unfortunate sod could end up with it.

True but if i had a hacked 360 i wouldn't go online with it. I would just play single player games i Dled.

Anyone want to start a countdown timer until this starts affecting more legitimate people than hackers (probably due to a disc scratch, a random error, people buying used consoles, or something)?

Hopefully, the DRM here won't get worse, but I still don't like this direction right now.

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

Did you read the entire terms of agreement?

I don't know if they have to inform you about it by law, but if they do, I'm sure it was mentioned in the terms of agreement.

Wait what? Why did they even sign onto Xbox Live?

Idiot pirates are idiots.

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

Cool! Another fun obstacle for the hackers to bypass.

Thanks for the entertainment, Microsoft!

Flamezdudes:
For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

Yet another innocent casualty of the War on Piracy.

Torrasque:

Tankichi:
I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

^ this.
People with hacked consoles don't play online because xbox live automatically fucks up their xbox when it detects the mods.
There are a very few exceptions, but for the most part, people with mods on their xboxes don't want to play online even if they could.
I'm guessing it'll take about 2-3 weeks for them to crack it.

9/10, hackers get their way.

I don't think it's legal to vandalize or destroy someone else's property for any reason.

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

Wait, wait, sorry, but how does this work? Is every unreadable disc getting this "flag" or just a pirated one?

'Cause I have discs with scratches and I wouldn't want to be accused of piracy.

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

Win! I believe pirating prevents the ability to have game companies make the games we want to have made.

SomethingAmazing:

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

No it shouldn't be. They can put anything into a EULA.

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

That's irrelevant to the question. Nerf Ninja asked if if they could legally make this update without informing us and I said we were informed. Doesn't matter whether the EULA is legally binding, they can still point to it and say "We informed you and put it in a place that has a reasonable expectation of being read. You had to say you read it to install the update." You may be able to argue your way out of the terms of the agreement, but that's different from being informed of said terms.

Garak73:

SomethingAmazing:

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

No it shouldn't be. They can put anything into a EULA.

That's why you read it and not agree to it if you don't like something.

SomethingAmazing:

Garak73:

SomethingAmazing:

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

No it shouldn't be. They can put anything into a EULA.

That's why you read it and not agree to it if you don't like something.

..and then what do you do? Return it?? LOL

Cosplay Horatio:
Win! I believe pirating prevents the ability to have game companies make the games we want to have made.

One of the many factors but I wouldn't say it completely prevents them, ps1 and ps2 had an enormous amount of pirates yet they still managed to give some incredible games that many would agree are better then most games today

Anyway on topic, as long as it doesn't fuck up the gaming experience then go for it. As long as it still means I can use my xbox games on multiple consoles Microsoft can do it for all I care

LOLZ

Shitty DRM has infected the consoles! Now console gamers know the bane of PC gamers' existance!

It's funny that they will ban suspected pirates from Xbox live, private PC servers for the win!

Dear Microsoft DRM Division
The majority of the pirates play xbox offline with their copied disks on old or modded firmware. Oh, and of course, it'll probably be cracked within a week. Congratulations on doing abso-fucking-lutely no good at all, probably wasting a crap load of money, and persecuting bystanders and legitimate customers.

Regards
Someone who is VERY GLAD they aren't a M$ customer.

bojac6:

Garak73:

bojac6:

Nerf Ninja:
Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

That's irrelevant to the question. Nerf Ninja asked if if they could legally make this update without informing us and I said we were informed. Doesn't matter whether the EULA is legally binding, they can still point to it and say "We informed you and put it in a place that has a reasonable expectation of being read. You had to say you read it to install the update." You may be able to argue your way out of the terms of the agreement, but that's different from being informed of said terms.

It is legal to put whatever nonsense you want into a EULA BECAUSE the EULA is not legally binding.

You can say "by playing this game you agree to become a Christian and attend church Twice a week at a minimum" in a EULA but it would never hold up in court.

hmm, I just returned my copy of New Vegas because of a problem very similar to this - maybe it wasn't Obsidian's fault... Bugger it, Amazon better still give me a refund!

Sparrow475:
Screw Pirates, it makes me sad too. It looks like shit.

This. I mean, not it's all that different, but what is changed is for the worse.

Tom Goldman:
If we hear about a large number of Xbox Live bans in the near future, it'll probably be a result of this new piracy defense method.

Or, if Microsofts latest press releases are anything to go buy, news of a large number of Xbox Live bans, with surprisingly little information on how large.

Yarr, I be angry. (Not really, I don't pirate console games.)

Also: I can't imagine this won't have some form of collateral damage on paying customers. Just like every other anti-piracy measure.

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