Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

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Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

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Xbox Live's chief enforcer is not going to put up with swastika use in Call of Duty: Black Ops no matter what you say.

Players of Call of Duty: Black Ops have the ability to create their own emblems for use during play, a feature that has the potential for offensive use. Director of Xbox Live policy and enforcement Stephen Toulouse has taken to his blog to make sure that players know they can't use the swastika as an emblem despite its historical significance unrelated to the Nazi party. Doing so will earn an Xbox Live ban, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

He writes that even if you point out that the swastika goes back thousands of years and has been used as a symbol in various religions such as Buddhism, it's not acceptable for use on Xbox Live. When asked if it could be used freely, he replied: "No, of course you can't, we'll ban you."

Toulouse feels that most people will look at the swastika and think about Nazis and the genocide the party committed in World War II. Is he wrong? He points out that its context cannot be explained through Xbox Live, so the swastika is therefore considered offensive on the service even if you personally don't think it is.

"The Xbox Live profile and in game content you create is accessible by everyone," he writes. "You do not have the context inside of it to explain your long winded contrarian view that your pithy text that violates the Terms of Use or Code of Conduct is actually intended to change people's minds about a commonly held understanding."

"It's not political correctness, it's fundamental respect," Toulouse adds. "If you think the swastika symbol should be re-evaluated by societies all over the Earth, I think that's great. Your Xbox Live profile or in game logo, which doesn't have the context to explain your goal, is not the right place to do that."

This applies to any other similar symbol as well. I'm somewhat baffled that Toulouse had to come out with such a strong statement on the issue. Swastikas have been cut completely from certain versions of Black Ops, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that the world is still sensitive about the symbol. I mean, it was sort of attached to one of the worst events in the planet's history. If you really think you should be able to use it, just calm down and switch to a horse with gun hands instead. Isn't that way better anyway?

Source: Stephen Toulouse's Blog

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Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

How about they just patch the thing out of the game?

DannibalG36:
Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

I have seen so many swastikas, and I don't even play all that often. Given the volume of them, it's clear the majority of people are creating them thinking they're being funny or clever. As such, ban 'em all.

...Now how about a ban (or other punishment) on the countless people with a penis as their icon? (I swear, if you drink a shot every time you see that, you'll be dead of liver failure within 10 minutes.)

I don't get it

wasn't the swastika the symbol of luck or some shit?

and that the nazis took it, turned and it around? =P

Why'd they even give people the ability to create emblems?
If it's not swastikas then it'll just be dicks.

If only Notch would do the same thing. I can only drop the banhammer so many times...

subject_87:
...Now how about a ban (or other punishment) on the countless people with a penis as their icon? (I swear, if you drink a shot every time you see that, you'll be dead of liver failure within 10 minutes.)

Hopefully they will get to that after they get rid of the swastikas. Personally, I say ban them because even though there is a meaning to them besides the Nazis, they were used by the Nazis, and that's not funny, clever or cool.

Absolutely ridiculous. The Swastskika is already all over that game, let's just ban COD all together!

I thought the Swastika was a backwards version of the Buddhist symbol. Is that not right?

cainx10a:
How about they just patch the thing out of the game?

These are custom user made tags, not really the sort of thing you can patch.

I see irony in this, controlling content in a community seems all too common.

To be fair, the Nazis only committed one of the most heinous crimes in recorded human history.
That's probably going to be its default/commonly known context from now until doomsday.

The ban isn't unreasonable at all, and most people who use it will be doing so to troll.
Unless you think most 12-24 year olds actually understand the history and nature of the symbol prior to WW2.
Yeah...not fucking likely.

I don't even use the swastika as my icon and I'm a bit frosted by this story. Just another example of political correctness trumping all logic or choice. If Microsoft - or before them, even, the ESRB - had an issue with the swastika, why was Black Ops rated and published on the Xbox?

"It's not political correctness, it's fundamental respect," my backside. Fantastic job painting prickery as nobility.

killamanhunter:
If only Notch would do the same thing. I can only drop the banhammer so many times...

Minecraft mod, eh?

OP: I think he should also ban everyone who's emblem says "FAIL", AKA 97% of the player base.

Ok, now how about those emblems depicting freaky horse sex? Just saying.

AstylahAthrys:

subject_87:
...Now how about a ban (or other punishment) on the countless people with a penis as their icon? (I swear, if you drink a shot every time you see that, you'll be dead of liver failure within 10 minutes.)

Hopefully they will get to that after they get rid of the swastikas. Personally, I say ban them because even though there is a meaning to them besides the Nazis, they were used by the Nazis, and that's not funny, clever or cool.

Terrorists used planes to kill people, therefore we should ban planes. Yay logic.

Are dick emblems allowed??

Atmos Duality:
To be fair, the Nazis only committed one of the most heinous crimes in recorded human history.

really? I would say thee most notorious, I mean how many people were killed due to Alexander and his army? what about Stalin?

IF it's going to get someone banned, why is it in the game? IT wasn't part of some publicity stunt, but I have to saw that is a bit overboard. If being offended over XBOX LIVE is an issue then why are you still playing, people on xbl are going to offend

purely out of interest, are they applying the same logic to the Hammer and Sickle??? if nothing else stalin had a higher k/d ratio (and to anyone who says that stalin did not target a single racial group {ala hitler + the Jews} then ask your nearest cossack!).

Talking about gives it significance. So it's basically Microsoft's fault for giving it too much attention. People don't care and they shouldn't. I hate Nazi's as much as the next guy but swastikas are not something you should be banned for. You should not allow no corporation to control you like that! Fuck them all. I suppose that every owner of Black Ops makes a swastika emblem.
And how are swastikas that bad when they were in most of the CoD games? Hypocrites...

The horse sex emblems are my favourite.

mad825:

really? I would say thee most notorious, I mean how many people were killed due to Alexander and his army? what about Stalin?

Please explain how either of those events downplays the murder of millions.
And please don't try to say "they killed more", because that changes absolutely nothing.

subject_87:
...Now how about a ban (or other punishment) on the countless people with a penis as their icon? (I swear, if you drink a shot every time you see that, you'll be dead of liver failure within 10 minutes.)

Not sure it would take that long. Closely following the penis, though, are the pictures of 2 rabbits going at it like... rabbits. Seen it many a time so far.

I like my little fuzzball thing with a chainsaw for an arm!

This guy is an emblem nazi.

...but, wait, hold on a second, the Nazi swastika is different from a Buddhist swastika O.o

For one thing, a buddhist version isn't set diagonally, and it's also reversed in comparison to the Nazi version.

See? the two are actually quite different symbols!

...I hope I won't get banned for posting a swastika on the forums considering the context... XD

RatRace123:
Why'd they even give people the ability to create emblems?
If it's not swastikas then it'll just be dicks.

Hehe, thats what I thought of when I read this.

If not swastikas, what about phallic symbols? I'm pretty sure there are already plenty already.

If they're going to ban the 'crooked cross' for association with Nazi war crimes, might I suggest banning the + symbol for its association with Christian crusades? Or the crescent moon? Or triangles? Or perhaps it's safest just not to allow self expression at all - we wouldn't want to offend anyone now, would we?

EDIT: @Simalcrum - Huh, I can't believe I've never seen a direct side-by-side comparison before. Thanks for that, now I know the difference for sure.

AugustFall:
I thought the Swastika was a backwards version of the Buddhist symbol. Is that not right?

The swastika symbol dates back to pre-historic times and has been used as a symbol with widely differing meanings in a number of widely differing cultures including the Greeks, Romans, Slavs, Germanic, Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Buddhist, Hindu, Christians, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, etc., etc., etc. Unfortunately, it is most closely associated with the Nazi Party.

As I've written in a similar thread

Symbols take on the meaning that they're associated with, that's their purpose
Microsoft can't prove your intentions, they're imtrinsically known
Better just to ban it all. Want a symbol for peace or buddhism or whatever the fuck else?
Use a symbol that wasn't used in a flag of a totalitarian, racist and murderous state.
Do none exist? (doubt it)
Make one.

...what about those swastikas composed of dicks? As long as it has dicks in it, it's unbannable, right?

So a horse having his dick cut off with a chainsaw is ok but a swastika is banned.

Power tripping bastards.

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