The swastika emblem has a really bad meaning for a lot of people. I guess I can understand why they would ban it. Who would be dumb enough to put something like that on there that would make so many people mad?

JDKJ:
Putting aside whether pot-stirring or not, it is, as I said, a logical extension, not, as you claim, a leap.

The logic underlying your argument, as I understand, it, is:

Many of the posters here would never use a swastika as an emblem therefore those posters shouldn't care if use of a swastika is banned.

The same logic, if I extend it, appears in this argument:

Males would never have a need for an abortion therefore males shouldn't care if abortion is banned.

The logic of the first argument repeats itself in the second argument, doesn't it? If it does, then I've not made a leap in logic but, rather, an extension of your logic. Haven't I? And if I have, I can only hope that it's one which illustrates to you the invalidity your argument.

And if your response is now going to be one along the lines of positing that the issue of an emblem's use in Xbox Live is not of equal importance to the issue of an abortion, you won't accomplish much in my book other than to leave me to wondering who you are to think that you should be the one to determine how much or how little importance anyone other than yourself should be attaching to an issue.

No my response would be quite simple in that males while not needing the abortion on their own physicality are directly affected by the act.

Having been in the situation where me and a partner have chosen to have an abortion and one also where i wasnt given a choice, i'd say that the matter of abortion is somewhat different, entirely disregarding levels of importance.

An abortion isnt just a decision which affects the female, it also affects the male who is the potential father, the argument is entirely different.

As an aside if you honestly think the ability to have an emblem on xbox live is of the same importance as choosing whether or not to bring a life into the world, you either place to much weight on XBL (and/or BLOPS) or far too little importance on the effect a child can have on a couple's/person's life.

cjneon:

JDKJ:
Putting aside whether pot-stirring or not, it is, as I said, a logical extension, not, as you claim, a leap.

The logic underlying your argument, as I understand, it, is:

Many of the posters here would never use a swastika as an emblem therefore those posters shouldn't care if use of a swastika is banned.

The same logic, if I extend it, appears in this argument:

Males would never have a need for an abortion therefore males shouldn't care if abortion is banned.

The logic of the first argument repeats itself in the second argument, doesn't it? If it does, then I've not made a leap in logic but, rather, an extension of your logic. Haven't I? And if I have, I can only hope that it's one which illustrates to you the invalidity your argument.

And if your response is now going to be one along the lines of positing that the issue of an emblem's use in Xbox Live is not of equal importance to the issue of an abortion, you won't accomplish much in my book other than to leave me to wondering who you are to think that you should be the one to determine how much or how little importance anyone other than yourself should be attaching to an issue.

No my response would be quite simple in that males while not needing the abortion on their own physicality are directly affected by the act.

Having been in the situation where me and a partner have chosen to have an abortion and one also where i wasnt given a choice, i'd say that the matter of abortion is somewhat different, entirely disregarding levels of importance.

An abortion isnt just a decision which affects the female, it also affects the male who is the potential father, the argument is entirely different.

As an aside if you honestly think the ability to have an emblem on xbox live is of the same importance as choosing whether or not to bring a life into the world, you either place to much weight on XBL (and/or BLOPS) or far too little importance on the effect a child can have on a couple's/person's life.

I knew you were gonna to come with the "not of equal importance" play. My powers of prediction are not insubstantial. You should see me in action at a Vegas craps table, tearing up the house's ass.

And I argue that, despite the fact that I might never use one myself, if I just so happen to get a kick outta seeing other people using Nazi symbols in XBox Live, then a ban of those symbols also directly affects me. No more kicks. And this argument isn't entirely different from the argument you make in the case of abortion and a father and that a ban on abortion would also affect the father. In terms of the underlying logic, it's entirely the same.

I personally agree with these rule, most people who play online shooters aren't going to just sit there in the lobby while you explain the long list historical meanings behind the Swastika (Even if they WOULD like to have that conversation, an FPS is NOT the place for it). Sure [I]I[/i] know that the Swastika isn't exclusivly a Nazi symbol, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that it's been associated with some of the absolute worst examples of humanity to ever walk the Earth, and it's been that way for close to a century.

.....Uh THAN WHY IS IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least Rockstar had the sense to lock us out of the "Hot Coffee" content when they launched San Andreas

xen0blade:

Butbrandon:
What the hell ever happen to "Freedom of speech"? And honestly that nazi shit happened like over 100 years ago... GET OVER IT!!!

And, for the record, if someone murdered 2/3rds of your entire family, and then I told you to "Get over it", what do you think your response would be? Because the Nazi's murdered 2/3rds of mine. So screw you. Like I said, I will defend to the death your right to say stupid shit like what you said, but I don't have to like it.

Tactless internet teenager VS. indignant grieving jew!

FIGHT!!

Necromancer1991:
.....Uh THAN WHY IS IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least Rockstar had the sense to lock us out of the "Hot Coffee" content when they launched San Andreas

You don't understand how the emblems work.

cairocat:

Necromancer1991:
.....Uh THAN WHY IS IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least Rockstar had the sense to lock us out of the "Hot Coffee" content when they launched San Andreas

You don't understand how the emblems work.

Oh.....well they still should have seen this coming

Necromancer1991:

cairocat:

Necromancer1991:
.....Uh THAN WHY IS IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, at least Rockstar had the sense to lock us out of the "Hot Coffee" content when they launched San Andreas

You don't understand how the emblems work.

Oh.....well they still should have seen this coming

I'm sure they did... and primed their aforementioned banhammer.

JDKJ:
I happen to know, unlike you, that the internet ain't serious business.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Lord Mountbatten Reborn:

JDKJ:
I happen to know, unlike you, that the internet ain't serious business.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Look-a-here and peep game, my man. I'm Jay-Dee Kay-Jay and I represent the Eastside Mozilla Firefox. Mo-zee-Fi-Fo fo' Life!! I holds it down. I stays 'bout-it-'bout-it. You betta axe sumbaddy 'bout me. Yo, I'm sayin', yo. Yanahameen?

JDKJ:

Lord Mountbatten Reborn:

JDKJ:
I happen to know, unlike you, that the internet ain't serious business.

You have a funny way of showing it.

Look-a-here and peep game, my man. I'm Jay-Dee Kay-Jay and I represent the Eastside Mozilla Firefox. Mo-zee-Fi-Fo fo' Life!! I holds it down. I stays 'bout-it-'bout-it. You betta axe sumbaddy 'bout me. Yo, I'm sayin', yo. Yanahameen?

I'd best back away into my manor and read up on my street.

Hmm controlling the community the irony is so delicious

If it's because of respect to the victims of the Nazis well, how about the soviets hammer and chisel how about the dam crucifix, not to mention the dicks and horse fucking ones if this shit slides by how long is it until we can't have cows in them they are a sacred animal to some people. Censorship is censorship no matter how it is spun, witch ironically the Nazis supported. If it's about offence remember no one has the right to not be offended. The one thing I hate more then a Nazi showing pride is one hiding behind flowers and kittens. freedom of expression dose not end where opinions differ a Nazi can sit there all day spouting bullshit and that's protected as soon as they incite violence then it ends, all Microsoft is doing is covering there asses that all.

The best thing is the swastika is all over the game the mini game is Nazi zombies FFS

One more thing look up the state sponsored forced sterilisation of so called inferiors by the US eugenics program. Before Hitler realised he was a failed artist and before he gained any influence he even credited one of the American books as being his bible so the dogma surrounding the swastika as an emblem for eugenics is BS the shit was being practiced before the Nazis by the US of all people should we ban the US flag out of respect for those victims

Why would people want a swastika as their in-game logo anyway? I cannot fathom that much.

Perhaps think it's meaning should be reverted to the old buddhist thing.

"It's a symbol of peace and Buddhism!", they would cry as they performed their seventy-first headshot on a representation of a human being for that evening.

Therefore, the only people with a swastika (or a penis) as their logo are tossers who think that they're clever. And those people deserve a ban, because I'm sick to death of them screaming into my God forsaken headset.

what if your emblem was a swastika with a cross-hairs overlaid on it (as if representing an attack on the nazi ideal) that shows the kind of mentality the ratings boards want from consumers. its a simple nazis=bad, killing nazis=good equation so can they complain when self expression copies every game ever set in ww2?

People need to untwist their panties and stop bawwwwing about these things. Just play the game and mind your own business, if someone has a symbol you disagree with, that's your opinion and you should keep it to yourself. Swastikas - as a symbol used during 20th century or otherwise - are a part of history, stop trying to erase it. Fucking infants.

Cute... i could not use real army symbol of Finnish Airforce

Tom Goldman:
"It's not political correctness, it's fundamental respect,"

Don't try and fucking paint it as anything else you tool. (I'm of course talking about the chief guy, not you Tom.) It's political correctness and you know it.

It's bullshit as well, this sums my views on the matter pretty well.

No.No. I can assure you that the majority of the people who have the swastika as their emblem will most likely have to be offensive, see how much they can get away with, and to be "funny". Very few will actually have it religiously. Regardless on what the swastika was, what really matters is what it is recognized now.

King_Julian:
So a horse having his dick cut off with a chainsaw is ok but a swastika is banned.

Power tripping bastards.

I agree. My main issue isn't even with the fact that it's a holy symbol, and was long before the Nazi Party picked it up. But that they consider this more offensive than some of the other emblems I've seen, including ones that are gorey, racist and drenched in nudity and sex.

This makes no sense to me. Stalin (The leader of the Communist Soviet Russia) has his emblem (hammer&sickle) available for use, and he killed more people than Hitler. And problems with communism have been more recent than problems with fascism. Yet we can use a soviet star, or the hammer and sickle, and have nothing done, but if we use a swastika that also relates to the game's content (nazi zombies [kino mainly], the Ascension group, ect.), then we get banned? So basically treyarch is a communist loving company that hates fascism, yet puts it in the game so people can make it even more hated? Look to the future people, stop brooding on the past. Is Hitler still alive? No. Why can't we just admit that the symbol looks cool. It honestly looks like something that means you're hardcore and you love the game, but everyone looks at it like a form of predudice (which it was). However, do you even see it used for that reason anymore? You can assume the people in the game do it for that reason, but they probobly just have it for a. it's cool b. it relates to the game c. it's a historic symbol.

I think that having the Swastika should not get you banned, anyone who makes it their emblem will be called a nazi lover or such, even though one of Treyarchs biggest accomplishments was NAZI zombies.

deathknightryuk:
This makes no sense to me. Stalin (The leader of the Communist Soviet Russia) has his emblem (hammer&sickle) available for use, and he killed more people than Hitler. And problems with communism have been more recent than problems with fascism. Yet we can use a soviet star, or the hammer and sickle, and have nothing done, but if we use a swastika that also relates to the game's content (nazi zombies [kino mainly], the Ascension group, ect.), then we get banned? So basically treyarch is a communist loving company that hates fascism, yet puts it in the game so people can make it even more hated? Look to the future people, stop brooding on the past. Is Hitler still alive? No. Why can't we just admit that the symbol looks cool. It honestly looks like something that means you're hardcore and you love the game, but everyone looks at it like a form of predudice (which it was). However, do you even see it used for that reason anymore? You can assume the people in the game do it for that reason, but they probobly just have it for a. it's cool b. it relates to the game c. it's a historic symbol.

Very well spoken :)

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This is why Bungie only has ever aloud pre-made emblems to be your emblem.

Though it didn't stop people from figuring out how to make a wang out of the pre made emblems in halo 3...

Okay guys what the fuck:
1: What happened to free speech? I don't care if people are Nazis, people should be able to express what they wish however they wish
2: The swastika has been used for many things including Nazism, Buddhism, among others. Don't be so narrow minded
3: Political affiliations aside, the swastika is pretty fucking cool
4: I have an inverted pentagram as my BLops emblem, representing Satanism - isn't that offensive as well?