Piracy Critic Admits to Huge Pirated Music Collection

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thublihnk:
It's not a generalization. Everyone infringes on copyrights. Copyright law is written in such a way that it really is impossible to dodge 'infringement'. Ever listened to a CD in your car with the windows down? Public performance. Ever let someone borrow a CD for a while without supervising what they did with it for every single second they had it? Well, if they copied the tracks onto their computer, then you could be sued for positively amazing amounts of money. And that's not all. There are incalculable ways that you could be infringing in your everyday life. And every single one of these so-called-infringements could be justified as 'stealing' the same way anti-pirate activists and lobbyists call file-sharing stealing.

When you put it like that, I can understand your opinion. Still, some of us do our best to avoid things like that. I don't, for instance, loan out CD's or play them in my car with the window down (or at all, for that matter). I pay for my materials. I feel that I have to even if only because of my line of work.

Well, that and an inherently ingrained moral fiber that seems to be lacking these days.

Lol@ The troll in this thread calling people "angsty Teenagers" when he's 17 himself.That made me giggle.

Anyway, Heh. I feel like I've heard this before. Not entirely sure where. It was probably just for "The Funny" on a TV show at some point. Either way it's quite humorous how things always manage to turn around and slap people in the face. All the time.

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:
Sorry, but you're in the wrong. I advocate against illegal things and un-moral things. If you advocate the opposite, you're automatically wrong. Also, He didn't just flat go to the media, the media was questioning his mother and he threw it in there.

Funny thing is I never said I advocate doing immoral or illegal things. You are the one who outright said you would throw your family under a bus for being hypocritical. Infact all I said was that the moral thing to do would be to bring it up away from the media.

So you can continue this game of quote tennis or you can apologise for your mistake in logic. Move on from this situation safe in the knowledge you handled it like an adult and grow from it.

Who knows this could be the defining moment in your teen life, maybe the next time you catch your parents smoking after they told you not to you won't throw them under a bus. Instead maybe you'll understand that you should do as they say not as they do as they are trying to raise you right.

Well I can only hope that this is the case, otherwise I might have to call up your family and alert them to the risks of walking on bus routes with you near them.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, since I know I'm clearly in the right and you believe you're clearly in the right. This argument is going nowhere. Also you might want to stop with the personal attacks. Just a suggestion.

Not personal attacks I'm just joking around with that side of it. Gotta make humour out of internet conversations otherwise what's the point.

I love the bit where she says about musicians doing live stuff just to make money as their cds get pirated, only for it to turn out she is part of that issue.
Whats the bet that some of her ipod content comes from said local musicians?
If i was her son that would tick me off and make me say something.

To quote others. From the mouth of babes...

Piracy is bad, so long as it costs me money is not a valid arguement.

Yeah i laugh at hypocrisy in general quite a bit. Not just from Republicans in airport bathrooms.

There was a British MP with the Liberal Democrat party, got elected standing for his strong family values and had a strong anti gay standpoint. Then oopsie he was challenged by a paper over using a rent boy himself regularly. Mark Oaten. There was another from the same party before that as well.

On the subject of digital media and piracy, there was a great David Wong article on Cracked not too long ago that brought up, among other things, ebooks and their prices. What do you charge for a creation that can theoretically be multiplied infinitely with next-to no cost? Seriously, do you charge more for an ebook than a regular book because of the potential for piracy? Or do you charge less because your customers aren't actually buying anything physical? Or... Like, what's the precedent for that?

Creators wanna be paid, distributers and publishers wanna be paid, consumers wanna pay as little as possible, a medium for freely sharing creations becomes available... Mess ensues.

Anyway, the irony in Ragde's situation is great. Just great.

PayJ567:

And all of your points are 100% invalid as you are speculating. Maybe his father was Steve Mcqueen and he was killed by pirates so he has a massive reason for hating pirates.

Oh no wait I agree, his dad steve mcqueen was killed by pirates so he has every right to go to the media about this situation.

I hate to point out the bloody-fucking-obvious but so are you. It's entirely possible that going to the media was a last resort. You are the one speculating he only did it because he was a shitty son. Your definition of what constitutes respect and what deserves it is also lacking. Stealing from your neighbour then complaining about your recent theft is disrespectful to your neighbour. You deserve to be exposed. Just because she was a good mother doesnt mean she was a good anti-piracy spokesperson.

Respect might give you protection from having your questionable decisions probed but it shouldnt give you immunity from having your bad decisions questioned. Unless you think the soldiers who exposed the US torture were being disrespectful to their superiors? Or that no one should ever question Bush and Obama (heavens forbid we disrespect the president!).

He made the choice that his mother deserved exposing, it is his decision and you have no right to judge harshly him for it without knowing the exact circumstances and what he was thinking at the time.

Wow! This reminds me of almost everyone on this site.
I'm against piracy, I want the developers to get paid. One moment, going to go buy a used game.

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:
Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little cunt.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

What if your parents are serial killers?

I'd have to more of the context in which he said it to decide whether he was in the right. I'm leaning towards it, though.

I've noticed a few cases of region lock with regards to music distribution. This is where in its impossible to purchase music due to its production in a region where trade obstacles are sufficient to stop normal market valuation.

Total globalization has not happened yet.

thublihnk:
Hypocrite, just like the rest of the pirate brow-beaters.

O RLY?

I don't have any pirated content on my computer, iPod, or other household gadgets. Does that make me a hypocrite, Mr. Generalizer?

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:
Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little cunt.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

Interesting question: What if your parents said "Always be honest"?

Then you're disrespecting their wishes either way, and it's their fault.

Ironic Pirate:
big massive snip

I agree with Jiraiya. Just because there your parents doesn't mean they can't be deeply flawed. I mean this kid could have been pointing this out to his mum the whole time, and yet she proceeds with her statements, this may have been the kids last choice, to publicly humiliate his mum in front of the nation. But she did deserve it. She, basically I feel know would be the best tie to use the age old (at least dictionary old) expression of "if you looked hypocrite up in the dictionary there would be a picture of her. I mean come on!

And her denouncement of genuine Prada bags as being too expensive, have you seen how much some audiobooks cost on iTunes?! 50 for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. I mean sure thats a long ass book, but presumably her audiobooks (if she has any) aren't going to be much cheaper.

i get the irony of the pirated mp3's. But whats wrong with knockoff goods. You get what you pay for tbh their worse, they last longer and they look worse. Im not sure why the whole bag thing kept popping up in this article :S.

newwiseman:
I was reminded of the us congressman who was anti-homosexual anything that got caught picking up guys in airport bathrooms.

To paraphrase Al Mooney "everybody wanna be a ni##$%, aint no body wanna be a ni##$%."

You mean Larry Craig? He wasn't just picking up gays he was apparently trying to hire a gay prostitute. Yay for family values!

Rainboq:
*watches her credibility circle the drain before disappearing*

Whelp, that was entertaining!

*waits for lawsuits against her by the various copyright hounds*

As much as I hate the RIAA I would actually enjoy seeing this legal battle play out. She might even become an anti litigation activist once she sees the kind of shit that gets pulled by Lars Ulrich and Gene Simmons.

An important thing to remember in this incident is that, if someone says doing something is wrong, then goes on to do that very thing, this does not necessarily disprove the rule that this person was trying to establish. It merely means that this person was incapable of living up to his own standard, nothing more. It could be that the standard is too difficult to live up to, but, honestly? Choosing to pirate or not to pirate? That isn't hard at all unless you have a complete lack of self-control.

Even so, it's hardly surprising when people who simply don't want to live by the rules actively look for people to deem to be hypocrites, not so much to call them out on their hypocrisy but so that they can feel justified in not living by the rules themselves. Hence, a lot of pirates are going to see this article and think that it's ok to pirate because:

quiet_samurai:
HA! I knew it, just goes to show you, digital piracy is deeply sewn into modern society. Even the ones who speak against it are not immune. It's a fact of life, you canoot stop it.

Trouble is, they're wrong. Society can't work under that sort of logic. What happens if a major politician condemns murder, then murders someone? Is it okay to murder people now? "Everyone's doing it, even the guys who say it's wrong, so I get to murder people too! Durrrr" No, of course not. So we have to eliminate the hypocrisy of those who claim to advocate law-abiding behavior as a justification for breaking the law. And when we do that, the remaining justifications for piracy boil down to people with child-like mentalities whining that it's not faaaiiiir that they have to pay for the things they want.

Also,

FutureJarhead16:
Wow! This reminds me of almost everyone on this site.
I'm against piracy, I want the developers to get paid. One moment, going to go buy a used game.

1) Used game purchases are a legal transaction, unlike piracy

2) Someone had to buy the game in the first place

3) See Extra Credits' video on the matter

4) You lose

If we take piracy down to the most basics. Everyone is a pirate in one way or another, to different degrees, trough different periods of one's life. All what we can do is say we are sorry for it when we feel it honestly. And try not to take the cheap/easy way every time we can.

And not being openly hypocritical about it is a good thing too.

For the sake of transparency: All my software (except my steam account and freeware/shareware things), movies and most the music in my pc (plus backup dvd's) are pirated. I'm not particularly proud of it.

I'm highly skeptical of the 72.5k guess she put on how much she has lost to piracy. I bet she pulled that figure out of her a**.

Bah. 1800 songs? I could pull that off in a weekend of experementing with new artits. 'Piracy' is such a nebulous thing especially with music which we tend to accumilate from freinds, by sharing a computer with family or even by accident (my computer is set to auto-rip anything inserted into the drvies not to mention sometimes my feinds sync up their MP3 players without asking)

Not buying music is not the issue here, the way music is consumed has changed for good and being draconian about it is NOT the way forward. The problem is that she threw her kid under the bus with no hesitation. I don't often say this but bitch should get a punch in the ovarys for dping something both so dumb and so ruthlessly selfish to the extream.

How would you feel if your mom balmed her speed, pot, mescaline, acid and amyls 'stash' on you? (And if that's happened you officially live in the ghetto and judging by the drugs aparently your mom is also Hunter Thompson)

Wow. The only thing worse than her hypocrisy is how fast she stabbed her son in the back. Okay, so randomers who get pulled apart by agencies who fight piracy have to pay way more than they stole, she only has to promise that she'll delete the music.

Who am I kidding, I knew the world was unfair.

RollForInitiative:

thublihnk:
It's not a generalization. Everyone infringes on copyrights. Copyright law is written in such a way that it really is impossible to dodge 'infringement'. Ever listened to a CD in your car with the windows down? Public performance. Ever let someone borrow a CD for a while without supervising what they did with it for every single second they had it? Well, if they copied the tracks onto their computer, then you could be sued for positively amazing amounts of money. And that's not all. There are incalculable ways that you could be infringing in your everyday life. And every single one of these so-called-infringements could be justified as 'stealing' the same way anti-pirate activists and lobbyists call file-sharing stealing.

When you put it like that, I can understand your opinion. Still, some of us do our best to avoid things like that. I don't, for instance, loan out CD's or play them in my car with the window down (or at all, for that matter). I pay for my materials. I feel that I have to even if only because of my line of work.

Well, that and an inherently ingrained moral fiber that seems to be lacking these days.

Mind me asking what your line of work is?

Also, I think that there are so many laws and ways to abuse the system that we have to distinguish for ourselves what laws we couldn't look like breaking. Yes, essentially I am saying we need to pick and choose laws to follow, not in such a liberal manor however. It's flawed in so many ways, but not as many as following every single law. Yes, I am against piracy.

FutureJarhead16:
Wow! This reminds me of almost everyone on this site.
I'm against piracy, I want the developers to get paid. One moment, going to go buy a used game.

Different argument entirely, don't get into it. That ventures into ownership of something you've bought. I suggest you don't bother responding to anyone who quotes you to argue about used games and piracy being the same thing.

Ahahahaha, this is amazing. Anti piracy people who pirate is one of the best things ever now. Good job on the son. Ratted out his mom for what she was against, but still did anyways. That woman should not be in any position to criticize or be held in any high regard for this.

Seems as good time as any to post this picture again

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The Unworthy Gentleman:

Mind me asking what your line of work is?

I'm a game designer. For obvious reasons, I steer as clear of piracy as I can possibly manage, though I can't say it was something I had much of a mind for even before I took up this job. I have a strong "credit where credit is due" mentality that extends to how I use my money.

Also, I think that there are so many laws and ways to abuse the system that we have to distinguish for ourselves what laws we couldn't look like breaking. Yes, essentially I am saying we need to pick and choose laws to follow, not in such a liberal manor however. It's flawed in so many ways, but not as many as following every single law. Yes, I am against piracy.

Sad, but true. Well put. I try to follow as many rules as I can that I'm aware of but I wonder: how many might I have accidentally broken without even realizing it? It's the wanton and flagrant disregard of law that I find most disturbing, particularly in my generation and the current one.

Dear hypocrisy,

Thanks for making this world so funny

From, Thedayrecker

Mr. Omega:
On one hand: Yes, piracy is bad.

On the other hand: If you're known to stand against piracy, having that much pirated material is naturally gonna make you look bad.

On an unrelated note: Her son must seriously hate her. This is gonna make Christmas dinner a little awkward...

the best part is, she's complaining that it hurts her. She's an author. "I don't even allow my books in certain formats in certain countries! Piracy scares me! Wanna see my iPod?"

I get the whole deal. I don't like piracy, either. I think fighting it is pointless, and I'm not going to crusade, in case I one day decide to snag some stuff by dubious means.

But I mean, I understand the concern, because I want to be a published author. It's just insane to step up against this as damaging and scary, when you're doing it to others. Or even letting your kid do it to others.

Jiraiya72:
Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

This isn't really related to the matter at hand, but that's a horrible attitude. You owe your parents your life and your upbringing, and I would hope you'd show them some regard for that.

AC10:
Well I found this pretty funny. There is a reason I think piracy is here to stay; basically everyone does it. It's more or less just part of life now. Does that mean it's good? No, but arguing normative morality has never really helped anything.

I have yet to see anyone working in the production and distribution of a song DIE from starvation/getting eaten by hounds/ beaten to death on the street they have to live on because we stole their money to pay rent...

As soon as those people visibly, in public, suffer the fate of... say... all those other poor people we apparently do not give 2 cents about, THEN i will consider their complaints valid... and hilarious.

"Piracy scares the hell out of me. I do not know what to say. I lose sleep at night over it."

Hur Hur. Good one Ms. Ragde.

I think this just proves that even people against piracy are still pirates to an extent.

Weak and immature to take up the responsibility.

Great mom, kid. Really blessed with a compassionate and loving mother1

You know how conservative Christians hates gays?
How Republicans hate gays?

Yeah that's just like that. What you're most vocally against, you're more than likely drowning in it.

FutureJarhead16:
Wow! This reminds me of almost everyone on this site.
I'm against piracy, I want the developers to get paid. One moment, going to go buy a used game.

A difference. A used game is a purchased and legal product. Piracy is not.

Oh, the irony... it's... it's beautiful!

Awesome son there. No way he should be punished for telling the truth like that. If that woman wanted to give an interview with that holier-than-thou attitude, then she should've made sure she had no skeletons in the closet. Mom messed up, and should bear the consequences and not shift the blame to her kid.

Some people may be intelligent, but that often doesn't make them less stupid.

I lol'd pretty hard at this, then died just a bit inside.

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