Piracy Critic Admits to Huge Pirated Music Collection

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Scrumpmonkey:
Bah. 1800 songs? I could pull that off in a weekend of experementing with new artits. 'Piracy' is such a nebulous thing especially with music which we tend to accumilate from freinds, by sharing a computer with family or even by accident (my computer is set to auto-rip anything inserted into the drvies not to mention sometimes my feinds sync up their MP3 players without asking)

Not buying music is not the issue here, the way music is consumed has changed for good and being draconian about it is NOT the way forward. The problem is that she threw her kid under the bus with no hesitation. I don't often say this but bitch should get a punch in the ovarys for dping something both so dumb and so ruthlessly selfish to the extream.

How would you feel if your mom balmed her speed, pot, mescaline, acid and amyls 'stash' on you? (And if that's happened you officially live in the ghetto and judging by the drugs aparently your mom is also Hunter Thompson)

This was my favorite post in this whole soap opera of a thread.

I agree with you 100%

Haha, she's just like those gay-bashing Bible-belters who turn out to be closet homosexuals or fetish artists. Oh, irony. Or maybe cognitive dissonance? It's not like she really lost that money, anyways. Who could have said that all those pirates would really have bought her books anyways if they couldn't pirate? Maybe they never had a chance of being sales...

I'm not going to insult her by calling her a hypocrite, I'm just gonna say she shouldn't have gotten caught XD

I'm occasionally hypocritical, I don't enjoy being so, but it happens. Though I CAN say I probably won't build a career on LIES! >:O, exaggerating, but the point stands.

Oy...I love it when people are caught in their own web of lies...

People have to worry about public image WAY the fuck too much these days, no one has the balls to just come out and admit their mistakes.

Then again, anti-piracy laws are becoming so extreme that people do have every reason to fear being found out as a pirate. Yes, piracy is wrong but to be honest, it reminds me of the south park episode entailing piracy, "Thanks to internet piracy, Britney could only afford the Turbo Jet Mach 4 instead of what she really wanted, a Mach 5. The Mach 4 doesn't even have a remote for the DVD player."

I think maybe one decently good example of where piracy has been a real, financial problem for a company is Iron Lore for Titan Quest, but -even then- the game had so many bugs and programming issues that just deterred people from buying it (seriously, if you've never played titan quest, lemme just say that it invented a new type of lag called Rubber-banding).

So really, I know it's still stealing but if a movie comes out and a couple of thousand people pirate it, and a couple of million people (including many of the pirates themselves) go to a theater to see it, who the hell really cares?

It's always the ones that whine the loudest that have the biggest skeletons in their closet.

Hmmm, this raises an interesting point.

One of the most vocal people about piracy is a heavy buccaneer herself. Doe this mean ALL those people who claim Piracy is killing the game industry are high ranking whippers themselves? For example, Valve and Blizzard both claim the industry is healthy, yet almost every other company bitches and moans to no end.

If so, my respect for those two just flew to the ozone layer.

Well, to be fair to the woman, most of us are hypocrits from time to time. From driving, to work ethic, to courtasy, to just about all aspects of politics, most of us hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves, if not completely rationalize that the rules we preach don't hold for us.

Jroo wuz heer:

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.
Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

your parents obviously respected you enough to feed you
respect is not thinking someone is always right or better than you in every way, respect is acknowlegding and enjoying someone's existence.
you seem to think parents don't respect their kids because they punish/control them, but unless they sell you to a sweatshop they obviously have your overall best interests in mind, whether short or long term

I would just like to point out, that in this situation, after the kid called his mom out for pirating music, she shifted (or tried to)all the blame over to him. Even if he did wrong her first it's her JOB as a parent to be the bigger person.

I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

As for the mother, well, she's an idiot.

justnotcricket:
Hm, on the one hand, I'm not surprised, as naturally the only kind of piracy people are most likely to feel really bad about is one that affects them or someone they know. She's committed the usual faux pas of taking too strong a stance on something that she actually has a mixed relationship with. Politicians do this all the time.

On the other hand, I think she's perfectly justified in dropping her son in it - after all, he dropped her in it first. I'm sorry, but if you behave in that way toward your mother, she can turn right around and do the same thing to you. He's not 3 years old and can't pull the 'out of the mouths of babes' excuse. He knew what his words would do. Regardless of the circumstances, mothers are not doormats, and kids who deliberately do things to damage their parents should not be immune from some sort of retribution. It's not like he blew the whistle on her secret kidnapping and torture of Jewish children or something. He just decided to shit-stir.

Yeah he deserves punishment, but he doesn't deserve to take responsibility for something he didn't actually do. His mom should make his life shit for a few months, but she's doing the wrong thing by trying to dodge responsibility for her actions, again(referring to her saying brand name bags were too expensive anyways), especially by shifting the responsibility onto her son.

VampiresDontSparkle:
I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

Jiraiya72:

VampiresDontSparkle:
I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

It's not moral to out your mother's pirated song collection in the media. If it was, wouldn't we all be doing it? I know a lot of people, some in my family, who have downloaded illegally -- I may not agree with it personally, but I would never go and tell the media/authorities about it, especially if I knew it would damage their reputation to the extent it did in this case. I'm sure this is also true for you. After all, it's not as if the mother was kidnapping people, or committing murder -- song pirating has become very commonplace (for better or worse) and is an offense that can be dealt with without causing such bad social repercussions.

After all, the hypocrisy of the mother's arguments could have been dealt with at home, if the son was that upset over it.

"But mom you have 1800 pirated songs and-"
"HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT WHAT A BIG PIRATING DOUCHE MY SON IS!"

*ahem*

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:
Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little cunt.

Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You've got to be kidding.

It's not about respect, it's about doing the right thing, you can still respect someone and do the right thing when they do something wrong, respect does not mean blindness to wrongdoing.

Let's say your mother wanted you to help her kill a man and hide the body, would you be wrong to go to the police? Would you be wrong if you simply refused!?

Frankly, your argument is not only insane, it's dangerous, and following it can lead to criminal charges in many cases.

You have absolutely no right to tell people they don't deserve their families, it's sick, arrogant, and stupid.

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:
You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Do you listen to -yourself-? I'm the one siding on the Just side of the law and morals and you're calling me an angsty teen? Maybe you'll realize that just because people had children, doesn't mean they deserve respect. All they've done for me? Please don't say things like you -know- I had an easy life.

Don't bother, the guy obviously has some sort of unhealthy view/relationship with his parents. Equating respect to covering up illegal activity is dangerous and insane.

Respect does have to be earned, but unfortunately that line is used too often as an excuse for ungrateful punks to say they don't owe anything to their parents, which overwhelmingly more often then not they do.

I disagree with you that you don't owe anything to your parents, and that it's their job to do everything they do. But I believe the most anyone owes them is their eternal appreciation as long as they took reasonably good care of them. It doesn't mean you should be their slaves, and it sure as hell doesn't mean you should cover up crimes they commit.

Of course, I don't know you, I have no idea who you are or what your family is like, this is just my two-cents on what applies to probably 90% of us.

VampiresDontSparkle:

Jiraiya72:

VampiresDontSparkle:
I think the son is a disloyal moron. What kind of a person is he, anyway, to damage his mother's reputation with such (apparent) disregard?

A moral non hypocritical one?

It's not moral to out your mother's pirated song collection in the media. If it was, wouldn't we all be doing it? I know a lot of people, some in my family, who have downloaded illegally -- I may not agree with it personally, but I would never go and tell the media/authorities about it, especially if I knew it would damage their reputation to the extent it did in this case. I'm sure this is also true for you. After all, it's not as if the mother was kidnapping people, or committing murder -- song pirating has become very commonplace (for better or worse) and is an offense that can be dealt with without causing such bad social repercussions.

After all, the hypocrisy of the mother's arguments could have been dealt with at home, if the son was that upset over it.

As far as I'm concerned it's probably wrong to expose it if she never talked about piracy, but after going on and on and on about how horrible it was, I have no doubt he was justified.

Spot1990:

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:
You're assuming based on a parent being a parent that they ever gave you respect at all. Which all parents don't. Lacking respect is only bad if they deserved respect. As for the bus, well, if their moral or illegal mistake could cost me my reputation or my freedom, why should I not throw them under it? I'm not going to have my character assassinated all because of some "respect" that I apparently owe them which prevented me from going to the authorities.

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Gotta go with Pay on this one, if you disagree with something a loved one is doing, do so more tactfully. Don't humiliate your own mum in the media. I mean if they were being interviewed together their relationship probably isn't that strained, if she's a bad mum and lost the respect of her son somehow fair enough (but we've got no indication of anything like that). To throw your mum under the bus for something so petty is poor form.

EDIT: I mean I don't know about the rest of you but my mum was there to help me deal with and clean up a fair few of my own messes and I'd do the same for her.

You realize we have absolutely no idea how/if he confronted her about this in the past, right?

And this lady has to pay 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS for downloading 24 songs. Now do the math for 1800 songs and I think her petty book piracy worries are but faint dreams.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-million-dollar-verdict-music-piracy-case.html

doublepost... argh

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

JaredXE:

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

I literally stared at this comment for 2 minutes trying to understand it. You know they could've given you up for fucking adoption right?

danpascooch:

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:
Sorry but no one is above the law, especially not the law of hypocrisy (hyperbole). I love some of my family but I'd have no qualms about throwing them under the bus if they did something stupidly hypocritical or illegal. Are you going to tell me I'm lacking in morals for doing the right thing?

No I'm saying you lack respect and you clearly don't deserve the family you have been given if you have no qualms about throwing your family under a bus.

Jiraiya72:
Also, you owe nothing to your parents for raising you. They chose to have children and they have to take care of you. It is their job and responsibility. (Which should be obvious due to the fact it's illegal not to take care of your kids)

Again all your showing me if you lack any respect for your parents which is incredibly wrong.

You've got to be kidding.

It's not about respect, it's about doing the right thing, you can still respect someone and do the right thing when they do something wrong, respect does not mean blindness to wrongdoing.

Let's say your mother wanted you to help her kill a man and hide the body, would you be wrong to go to the police? Would you be wrong if you simply refused!?

Frankly, your argument is not only insane, it's dangerous, and following it can lead to criminal charges in many cases.

You have absolutely no right to tell people they don't deserve their families, it's sick, arrogant, and stupid.

You. I need to buy you a drink.

dududf:
Do you hate piracy?
*links to video that has a song in it, that is being sold*
You're now a hypocrite.

I believe if the guy hosting the video hosts it on a website it goes by the same rule as others listening in while you play music in your house as it is in a "Private space" you are technically in your room and he is technically playing the music from his computer/web while you listen to it. Though if you linked to a copyrighted musicvideo that you are sure the guy hosting does not in fact own and you/others watch it, your statement is correct.

PayJ567:

Jiraiya72:

PayJ567:

Funny thing is I never said I advocate doing immoral or illegal things. You are the one who outright said you would throw your family under a bus for being hypocritical. Infact all I said was that the moral thing to do would be to bring it up away from the media.

So you can continue this game of quote tennis or you can apologise for your mistake in logic. Move on from this situation safe in the knowledge you handled it like an adult and grow from it.

Who knows this could be the defining moment in your teen life, maybe the next time you catch your parents smoking after they told you not to you won't throw them under a bus. Instead maybe you'll understand that you should do as they say not as they do as they are trying to raise you right.

Well I can only hope that this is the case, otherwise I might have to call up your family and alert them to the risks of walking on bus routes with you near them.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, since I know I'm clearly in the right and you believe you're clearly in the right. This argument is going nowhere. Also you might want to stop with the personal attacks. Just a suggestion.

Not personal attacks I'm just joking around with that side of it. Gotta make humour out of internet conversations otherwise what's the point.

I was happily just skimming over your posts before I saw that and realised how silly you really are. Personal attacks and humour are two different things. Maybe next time don't use angsty teenager in the same arguments as when you're using personal attacks for the fun of it, maybe your'll have a bit more credibility.

Mythrignoc:
I think maybe one decently good example of where piracy has been a real, financial problem for a company is Iron Lore for Titan Quest, but -even then- the game had so many bugs and programming issues that just deterred people from buying it (seriously, if you've never played titan quest, lemme just say that it invented a new type of lag called Rubber-banding).

The reason Iron Lore had problems with "piracy"(really negative viral advertising) was because they ignored the thousands of bug reports of pre-release pirates and more importantly, pre-release reviewers. And came release day, surprise, surprise, all the bugs were still there and nobody bought it because they got ample warning beforehand. Then they bitched that the game was fine and everybody only ran afoul of their FADE style drm, which apparently has a 100% false positive rate on legal customers and blamed the horrible reviews on the reviewers usb gadgets interfering with the game.

And they shat out Dawn of War: Soulstorm, which is pretty much the reason I don't pity them for their own stupidity on all fronts.

Tldr: when you get a million QA testers for free: don't ignore them.

cerebus23:

Mackheath:
Fucking hypocrisy. Makes me sick.

Do as I say, not as I do right enough.

Ditto, she should get in politics seems she is a born natural.

Oh gawd no... we have enough of them already. Seems to be the same for most european politicians I've heard/read of lately. Hypocrits and sellouts (except for a small minority).

Mrs. R. comes off as a real cheapskate, after having reading the original article in full. It's just a waste of space in what is otherwise an excellent financial newspaper.

Oh this is freekin hilarious :D
"The stuff on my iPod is not representative of my relationship with the music industry and the products they produce" - now that is a line to remember... for court.

I just wonder how bat shit crazy RIAA could go on this, there was a woman who had 30 pirated songs and they sued her for 2.5mil(if I recall correctly), so by that standard this would rate in at a messily 150mil, and then we go back to the line:
"I have figured out that I've lost half a million kroner ($72,500) on piracy of my books, maybe more."

Oh such sweet irony

I also think "designer" handbags are overpriced. Guess what I do? I don't buy 'em! I'd rather have a decent no-name bag than a counterfeit.

Wait, wait....

"I have figured out that I've lost half a million kroner ($72,500) on piracy of my books, maybe more."

So, yeah, piracy is okay, unless you steal from me.

Damn good logic, if you ask me....

VampiresDontSparkle:
It's not moral to out your mother's pirated song collection in the media. If it was, wouldn't we all be doing it? I know a lot of people, some in my family, who have downloaded illegally -- I may not agree with it personally, but I would never go and tell the media/authorities about it, especially if I knew it would damage their reputation to the extent it did in this case. I'm sure this is also true for you. After all, it's not as if the mother was kidnapping people, or committing murder -- song pirating has become very commonplace (for better or worse) and is an offense that can be dealt with without causing such bad social repercussions.

After all, the hypocrisy of the mother's arguments could have been dealt with at home, if the son was that upset over it.

Who said he hadn't already tried to deal with it at home?

Your first mistake is defining "moral" as something "everyone would do". People often do things they know are wrong and feel bad about afterwards, like covering up for someones crimes if that someone is one they love, but they still do it for their own benefit or because they would have trouble dealing with the possible consequences on an emotional level. It could be a case like this where it's about piracy, but it could damned well also be about murder.

If a research was conducted that showed that more than 50% of the worlds population would keep quiet if their parents murdered someone, then by your argument, keeping quiet about it would be the "moral" thing to do. Don't honestly tell me i need to point out to you how ridiculous your logic sounds? :-)

If people do something wrong, and especielly if it implicates others, then it needs to be exposed, and then it doesn't matter if it's the person themself, their kids, their grandparents or a third party who exposes it. A case of hypocrisy like this could have a great effect on future issues of Copyright in politics, possibly affecting millions of people. Should we really let a parent-child relationsship get in the way of that?

You, and some other people, are basically arguing that "feelings" or "emotions" should take priority over "common sense" or "neutrality". Short answer: No f*cking way.

I would buy that kid a beer if I ever met him. Damn. We need more folks like this; family members willing to rat out other family members for piracy on a global stage.

PayJ567:

JaredXE:

PayJ567:
Oh that's well funny there son. Destroy your mums credibility and damage her career. Although I'm glad she was found out as a hypocrite that is no way for a son to act.

Little cunt.

Her credibility was shot the moment she admitted about the knock-off handbags and lied about "Losing a million kroner". Her son just pointed out that mommy shouldn't lie. Besides, I hardly think her career is damaged, she writes childrens books; kids don't pay attention to this crap.

Good on her son, he held his mother to the same morals that she probably held him to.

Well I disagree you just don't treat the women who raised you and paid for you since birth like this. Regardless of what it did the kid is a shit ungrateful spoilt brat he should be fucking spanked for eternity for this.

Wait, so if someone in your family did something that was illegal, you wouldn't report them to the authorities?

khaimera:

Scrumpmonkey:
Bah. 1800 songs? I could pull that off in a weekend of experementing with new artits. 'Piracy' is such a nebulous thing especially with music which we tend to accumilate from freinds, by sharing a computer with family or even by accident (my computer is set to auto-rip anything inserted into the drvies not to mention sometimes my feinds sync up their MP3 players without asking)

Not buying music is not the issue here, the way music is consumed has changed for good and being draconian about it is NOT the way forward. The problem is that she threw her kid under the bus with no hesitation. I don't often say this but bitch should get a punch in the ovarys for dping something both so dumb and so ruthlessly selfish to the extream.

How would you feel if your mom balmed her speed, pot, mescaline, acid and amyls 'stash' on you? (And if that's happened you officially live in the ghetto and judging by the drugs aparently your mom is also Hunter Thompson)

This was my favorite post in this whole soap opera of a thread.

I agree with you 100%

This has been a really odd thread, you get people moralising and counter moralising and others missing the point about the son entirely. This is a big irony and i think does strike at the heart of i think most peoples hyposcisy about 'piracy'. (i hate that word, it's filesharing not stealing a fucking oil-tanker at AK-47 point) Many, like she did, will get up on their high hourse about certain people of 'pirates' when they think it effects them and yet at the same time infomation os shared so readily these days it's hard not to have a large ammount of 'stuff', be it music, videos, e-books etc, which you technically 'stole'

I think all of this stabs at the heart of the myth that a downloaded e-book, song or yes even a game is automatically a lost sale and also a a concious act of 'theft'. She did all this partly without realising it had been done and our think our expectations about data and outmoded ideas of copyright enforcement make this all the more easy and the enforcement of the letter of the law a joke. As i said i have no problem with her having 1800 songs she did not own and as previously stated most computer useres are data-sponges who get things from all over. i bet i could find non purchased music on every one of the computers used to post in this thread.

"Yet for some reason, Ragde had no problem with admitting that she purchases counterfeit handbags. The reason? "I feel that the genuine Prada bags have such an inflated price," she said."

Rember how arrogant the music industry was pre-napster? Remember when CDs, which you could already buy giant spools of for arround 10, cost over 15 a pop? Music pirates thought prices were overinfated too and that content was shoddy and compacient. This is the most telling part of her mentality becuase the pirates also feel this way about e-books, a body of digital text who's real 'worth' is really absolutely nothing in terms of the actual product. The price of digital media will always tend towards Zero becuase there is no real cost involved. She is using the same slightly flawed justification that all counterfitters use, all the 'pirates' did was copy data. She has a physical counterfit and can still rationalise it away. I would ask her this question, would you have bought a REAL Prada bag?The answer is probably "No" and so she is the typical example of how those numbers of 'lost sales' were pulled right out of her ass.

I think this woman, and the wider world, need to look again at these "Scary Pirate Criminals" becuase they might realise it is actually themselves they are talking about and not some long-haired student who they want arrested and made an example of.

danpascooch:

Spot1990:

PayJ567:

Haha "Character Assassinated" do you actually listen to yourself talk?

I mean really, you are clearly like a typical angsty teenager. Soon you'll grow up and realise all what your parents have done for you, or maybe you never will and you'll live a failure of a life and blame it all on your parents or someone else.

Gotta go with Pay on this one, if you disagree with something a loved one is doing, do so more tactfully. Don't humiliate your own mum in the media. I mean if they were being interviewed together their relationship probably isn't that strained, if she's a bad mum and lost the respect of her son somehow fair enough (but we've got no indication of anything like that). To throw your mum under the bus for something so petty is poor form.

EDIT: I mean I don't know about the rest of you but my mum was there to help me deal with and clean up a fair few of my own messes and I'd do the same for her.

You realize we have absolutely no idea how/if he confronted her about this in the past, right?

"We copied the first 1500 songs from one place and 300 from another."Key word, "we". Considering he was doing it too it seems unlikely.

Interesting. She's going to delete all that music not buy it. Doesn't that massively undermine her position of how much money she's "lost"?

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