Dragon Age Writer: Same-Sex Romance is Here to Stay

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Falseprophet:

spectrenihlus:
I find the actively pursued part funny. Of all the romances in the game Zevran is the easiest to do the deed with you don't have to actively pursue anything with him just talk,once.

Yeah, but that's ingrained into his character. His whole life (if you believe his backstory), he's been a slave, and while a slave, he basically had three roles: victim, whore or killer. When one defense mechanism doesn't work, he switches to the other. So from the way he's introduced, he knows he can't kill the Warden. And obviously, if the Warden keeps him around and doesn't run him off or kill him, he's not a victim. So the only other way he knows how to behave is as a whore. At least until you build up his trust enough that he can see you as a friend, or if you pursue it, a committed lover.

That is an extremely compelling insight into Zev's personality that I never considered.

Sounds like an important step in the right direction for games, but for God's sake stand up to the inevitable manufactured 'controversy' from self-appointed guardians of 'family values'.

Also, I predict that this thread will get at least one person banned/suspended/put on probation for trolling/general asshattery.

Senaro:
That is an extremely compelling insight into Zev's personality that I never considered.

Thanks, though part of that I got from an early DA:O interview with David Gaider when he was responding to some gay fans' concerns that Zevran was a stereotypical manwhore. I appreciated that BioWare writers thought that much about NPC motivation. (OT: Hell, Loghain's practically a tragic hero based on his background.)

subject_87:
Sounds like an important step in the right direction for games, but for God's sake stand up to the inevitable manufactured 'controversy' from self-appointed guardians of 'family values'.

But that never happened to DA:O, so far it happened only with the hetro sex scene from ME1

JemothSkarii:
Only Bioware games I've really played are Neverwinter Nights 2 and DA:O. For defending something like this, I applaud them; there needs to be more acceptance of LGBT in the world and this may be a very small thing that helps.

Neverwinter Nights 2 was developed by Obsidian Entertainment, not us. ^_^

That's cool. Hopefully it'll be done a little better than Zevran, though. He got on my nerves so much! I made him leave the party when I had the opportunity.

RollForInitiative:

JemothSkarii:
Only Bioware games I've really played are Neverwinter Nights 2 and DA:O. For defending something like this, I applaud them; there needs to be more acceptance of LGBT in the world and this may be a very small thing that helps.

Neverwinter Nights 2 was developed by Obsidian Entertainment, not us. ^_^

You work for Bioware?!?

Wow.. Something GOOD Bioware has said in a long time.
I'm honestly suprised, posetivetly suprised :)

This. This right here is why Bioware is one of the most respected developers ever. :D (I may be a little biased cuz I'm a Bioware fanboy...)

Falseprophet:

spectrenihlus:
I find the actively pursued part funny. Of all the romances in the game Zevran is the easiest to do the deed with you don't have to actively pursue anything with him just talk,once.

Yeah, but that's ingrained into his character. His whole life (if you believe his backstory), he's been a slave, and while a slave, he basically had three roles: victim, whore or killer. When one defense mechanism doesn't work, he switches to the other. So from the way he's introduced, he knows he can't kill the Warden. And obviously, if the Warden keeps him around and doesn't run him off or kill him, he's not a victim. So the only other way he knows how to behave is as a whore. At least until you build up his trust enough that he can see you as a friend, or if you pursue it, a committed lover.

But in Dragon Age, you can shoot down Zevran or Leiliana the first time they proposition you and it won't come up again. I don't see why in an M-rated game, why just being propositioned by a same-sex partner would be a problem, if your character can just say "I don't swing that way" and be done with it.

A more ideal solution would to just include a radio button in the character creation process: a) I only want opposite-sex encounters, b) I only want same-sex encounters, c) send them both my way, or d) I'm here for bloodshed and booty, not hearts and flowers. Then maybe NPC romantic options don't need to be fixed--e.g. if you played a male PC and wanted to romance Alistair, the radio-button choice would make that an option. I suspect there's other factors at play--prime among them the additional amount of dialogue that would need to be written, acted and recorded--but a gamer can dream.

Oh i know why he is like that i just find it funny how the "controversial" romance is he easiest one to do.

Good on em! I am glad that the company is taking a stand on this issue. People who are offended by it can just not play that part of the game.

First same sex couplings whats next Good console gameplay?

I know there are people out there who object to this, but there are gamers too? Really? I think you deserve to have your title of "gamer" stripped from you then.

This was good to read.

Now I almost feel obligated to let my male human warrior have a bit of a fling with Zevran before helping Morrigan create her demon baby.

I'm already romancing Zevran with my female human mage, though, so maybe not.

But maybe.

RatRace123:
Is it wrong and sexist that the first thing that popped into my head was "Yay more lesbian relationships!"?
Though in truth, all of DA:O's relationships were well written and well done, the sex scenes... weren't, but that's besides the point. I found Zevran's in particular to be pretty gripping simply because it reveals a lot more depth than he's initially believed to have.
Also, because he's awesome!

Press B to thrust o.o.

But this is a good thing for Bioware to stand on what they believe in.
Cookie for you Bioware.

Sniper Team 4:
I know there are people out there who object to this, but there are gamers too? Really? I think you deserve to have your title of "gamer" stripped from you then.

Go read like any thread concerning homosexuality in games. Even take a glance at Extra Credits' thread of their episode "Sexual Diversity".

I don't get why people complain about something, that's only optional. If the same sex relatinship was forced on the player, then I would understand why some wouldn't like it. But as long as the players can say no to that, it's just ridiculous.

Athinira:

Now that ME has run for two games already, it's probably too late to change Shephard to be gay. It would ruin everything that has already been established in the character.

How does liking dudes change the "established" character?

Dragon Age: Origins pretty much had you create a character. Mass Effect has a foundation of a pre-designed character. Aka, hetrosexual. It's best they keep doing it as such as a sudden gay interest in Shepard would weird me out. Note, I am not homophobic but we started as a hetrosexual Shepard well in his adulthood, he will remain straight, at least, I think.

Good to hear this anyways!

Bioware has been my favourite game company for a long time, and this has just sealed the deal, while i imagine that there isnt much flak about this, the shear fact that they stood their ground and pretty much said tough luck to the complainers.

A good reason i love Bioware so much

thezookeeper:

Athinira:

Now that ME has run for two games already, it's probably too late to change Shephard to be gay. It would ruin everything that has already been established in the character.

How does liking dudes change the "established" character?

Considering the age and complete lack of any displayed same-sex interest so far coupled with obvious opposite sex interest having been displayed, you don't think it would be a little strange.

What if in the 3rd game they turned him into a Krogan?

Can't say what will happen other than bioware will do whatever they end up doing.

spartandude:
Bioware has been my favourite game company for a long time, and this has just sealed the deal, while i imagine that there isnt much flak about this, the shear fact that they stood their ground and pretty much said tough luck to the complainers.

I've only seen the opposite.

How dare Bioware make an exclusively hetrosexual character, this makes ME and anyone who works for Bioware suck.

thezookeeper:

Athinira:

Now that ME has run for two games already, it's probably too late to change Shephard to be gay. It would ruin everything that has already been established in the character.

How does liking dudes change the "established" character?

Because the character has been established as straigth in the first two games (including in the tendencies for aliens).

Now before someone mentions female shephard romances with Asari (Liara, Morinth, Samara), they have been portrayed as having some sort of special sexual influence on other species. If you ever watched the Bachelor Party conversation in the Eternity Bar on Illum, you would have listened to how the participants start arguing whether the Asari dancer looks more like their own species or not, and i think we can assume that this special attraction works cross-gender as well.

"That body... She looks like a Turian"
"What are you talking about? She looks more like a Salarian!"

Bioware, good for you. Sticking with your guns. My fanboyism of your company is warranted for another few years, at least.

I am pleased. Now more lesbian romance options, yes?

The man speak what is simply the result of common sense and decency.

If they're as sensible when it comes to designing gameplay and plot, then this'll be one to watch.

Muta Ro:
So why oh why cant Bioware do this in Mass Effect. Fantasy setting sure you can have same sex relationships but you SciFi setting game, no you can have it D: Why bioware, why doesn't Mass Effect get no same sex love but you can throw aliens at us to love?

You just want your Male Shepard to go with Garrus or Jacob?
Or how about you Female Shepard with Tali or Liara, Miranda?
Actually.....

*High - 5's Bioware

Straying Bullet:
Dragon Age: Origins pretty much had you create a character. Mass Effect has a foundation of a pre-designed character. Aka, hetrosexual

Firstly: "Aka, hetrosexual". What? Also known as heterosexual?

Secondly: Heterosexual... except if Shepard is female, because then it's okay to be gay or bi. Just ask Liara, Samara or Kelly.

And just so you don't bring up the gender issue for asari, I'll point out right away that...

1) Asari are not non-gendered. They are mono-gendered. They have one gender, and it's female.

2) Regardless of what the asari would consider themselves, gender-wise, they are female from a human's perspective... and Shepard is human.

And, finally...

Sweeet.

With all the praise I've seen for DA:O I think this might be the tipper to make me buy DA2 ^^

Athinira:
Now before someone mentions female shephard romances with Asari (Liara, Morinth, Samara), they have been portrayed as having some sort of special sexual influence on other species.

Kelly Chambers. Human.

Really, let's be honest:

The only reason MaleShep can't be gay is because they don't want to risk scaring off the stereotypically homophobic Halo crowd.

I need to start paying attention to this series...

on focus: this is good news. it's nice to see that even a major gaming company like Bioware isn't buckling under the weight of vapid, whinging, bitchy retards that seem to crawl out of the fucking ocean to bitch and complain whenever a game shows bare skin.

JediMB:

Athinira:
Now before someone mentions female shephard romances with Asari (Liara, Morinth, Samara), they have been portrayed as having some sort of special sexual influence on other species.

Kelly Chambers. Human.

Really, let's be honest:

The only reason MaleShep can't be gay is because they don't want to risk scaring off the stereotypically homophobic Halo crowd.

Kelly Chambers. Human, Never has sex with FemShep

please tell me you can see the irony of that last part.

Besides Halo 3
Halo 3 (8.1 million copies)

So about double the number of people played halo 3 then compared to ME and ME2 combined
Thats a lot of Halo player that never cared or purchased any Mass effect game.

I want to see more games like DA:O where romance is optional, but not required to complete the game. Not only that, but romances aren't restricted to purely this or that depending on the player's gender and who they're talking to. It definitely adds some interesting twists when a character you thought was uninterested randomly asks "What about me?" when they found out you spent the night with someone else. It's a dimension that hasn't been touched on quite as intimately in past games despite having highly sexualized characters.

Kudos for BioWare for taking a mature approach to a topic that makes people cringe and have to think.

JediMB:

Athinira:
Now before someone mentions female shephard romances with Asari (Liara, Morinth, Samara), they have been portrayed as having some sort of special sexual influence on other species.

Kelly Chambers. Human.

Really, let's be honest:

The only reason MaleShep can't be gay is because they don't want to risk scaring off the stereotypically homophobic Halo crowd.

I totally forgot about her.

In that case: Sign us up!

Not that it matters to me personally. I have pursued relationship with Kelly as female Shepard before, but i wouldn't be interested in male S/S. With that said, i wouldn't object if the devs decided to give the option.

jamesworkshop:
Kelly Chambers. Human, Never has sex with FemShep

please tell me you can see the irony of that last part.

Intercourse irrelevant. The flirting back and forth, the date, and the whole show in Shepard's quarters is more than enough to establish an attraction as canonical.

Not to mention that sex could be interpreted as implied, just as with... well... all other love interests in ME2.

jamesworkshop:
Besides Halo 3
Halo 3 (8.1 million copies)

So about double the number of people played halo 3 then compared to ME and ME2 combined
Thats a lot of Halo player that never cared or purchased any Mass effect game.

Total sales also irrelevant. It's been no secret that BioWare has made attempts to attract fans of first and third-person shooters to Mass Effect. Trying to appeal to a demographic doesn't mean that you manage to attract the entirety of it.

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