Russian Media Suggests Modern Warfare 2 Trained Terrorists

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I fucking called it to several people

I knew they would establish a connection to it. Easy scapegoat. Damn you Russia!

Straying Bullet:

I fucking called it to several people

I knew they would establish a connection to it. Easy scapegoat. Damn you Russia!

Same here, I literally said out loud to myself that their media outlets would pin the blame on that bloody level and say it was Modern Warfare 2's fault that this sad event happened.

Are you serious? MW2 helped trained terrorists. lol, if that's the case I don't want to know what will happen when Modern Warfare 3 comes out http://mwarfare3.com

Cornelius Wilson:
Are you serious? MW2 helped trained terrorists. lol, if that's the case I don't want to know what will happen when Modern Warfare 3 comes out http://mwarfare3.com

Well, it was about black ops which means the next set of terrorists will be commando level OMG

Numachuka:
Pressing a button on a game = training people to plant explosives.

Of corse!

why has no one seen this correlation before?

Someone make this man the leader of everything.... ever!

It was bound to happen. It's not like the Russian media is any different from any other media. If there was a game that had people blowing up American airports how long do you think it would be before the inevitable chorus of 'ALKKAEEEEEDAAAA TWAINING KAMPPPP!' smacked against your ears like an annoying alarm that's source could not be found.

In-fact. I do seem to remember a mod being made. Where you could play as the Taliban for something. Then someone made a joke video with some middle eastern music and clips of helicopters being blown up. And the government was like 'GAEMS IZ BYING USDEDED 2 TRWAIN PEEPS 2 HATEZ ON US AMERICANZ!'

Facepalms were had.

I doubt that games had anything to do with this...is it maybe possible that people who blow themselves up are learning to do it from somewhere else/not learning at all because it's pretty easy?

Also:

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Notice sand, sun, no LAN cables. I would dread to hear what their ping was...

If they are training on games like MW2 we should be in the clear!

This was inevitable, no less. The level practically screamed "this will likely be used one day as a scapegoat for terrorism in some airport somewhere.. somehow".

Also, a "global terrorism expert"? Well, good! Unfortunately, when it comes to separating reality from gaming (and gaming from reality), he fails harshly.

..We fucking called it.

Well, it was only a matter or time wasn't it...?

For fuck's sake.

Come on, Russia, see some sense.

EDIT: It was from Russia Today, that pretty much explains this. But it was totally the game's fault, nothin' to do with the war in Chechnya at all. Totally Call of Duty to blame here. -__-

O_O There are foreign versions of Fox News??? I'm scared...

Wow, this was totally unexpected! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, chill Russia.
Games =/= Terrorism trainers, calm down.

I think both this incident and Tuscon show that people, understandably, want an immediate someone or something tangible to blame for horrible acts. The media is all too happy to point their finger at anyone as quickly and easily as possible, knowing people will gobble it and their product up.

This is your competitive, 24-hour, up-to-the-second news stream in action.

Video games are the current boogieman, and it's international. Blaming video games is a way of avoiding serious societal issues. It's nice for a lot of people to delude themselves into thinking that they can prevent terrorism by taking away their training tools, rather than having to put insane amounts of blood on their hands to destroy the cultures involved (though this is an entirely differant discussion). Video games are blamed for most of society's ills today, and they are not the first thing to be put into such a position, nor will they be the last as the central problems are not going to go away no matter what anyone does.

On the other hand, those of us defending video games also have to be realistic, and acknowlege when they other side has some legitimate points. I doubt "Modern Warfare 2" inspired this, and even if it did it's no worse than any other work of fiction that inspired real world events (like the book "Hijacked"). It is true that shooter games can be used as part of a training process. It helps with visualization, and developing tactics and an understanding of what you are trying to do. Our military in the US uses FPS games as a *part* of training, and so do a lot of other armed forces groups. Indeed one of the selling points for some games like "ARMA" is that they are hyper realistic, and were developed as training tools. It's hard to deny that the terrorists involved probably did train with FPS games, because almost anyone with combat training and access to the technology probably did. Terrorists are not stupid. I'd imagine like a lot of groups these guys probably did the FPS games while working out and practicing physical skills, and also doing things like paintball (which is another common training exercise).

As far as demonizing the Russians in games goes, well they seemed well on the path to reform, but they have themselves to blame for their return to popular consciousness as the bad guys. Ukraine, Georgia, threatening Poland, cutting off fuel to the EU... it's not exactly unwarrented. As someone pointed out though, "Modern Warfare 2" did have a differant justification other than the Russians simply being douches for the sake of being douches.

To be fair, this story is being propagated by a lot of media outlets in Europe, not just in Russia.

Also to be fair, IW are wangs for making that bit of the game.

To be extra fair, the word terrorist has been used in this part of the world very often to describe "induced opportunity for temporary national unification in mind and spirit with some degree of governmental involvement"

To be extra extra fair, it happened in the US as well.

#1) Doom, MW2, ANY shooter third or first person DID NOT TRAIN ANY FUCK WIT CHILD TO USE A GUN! The only extent firearms training in games can go to is How to use a laser sight and what end makes the noise.
#2) If MW2 trained children to be terrorists it would have required much more information. Actual videos to train people for various jobs have more info input and still fail to make people do the job right. If one mission from a video game trained a terrorist then IW needs to make a movie on how to work a fucking cash register for the idiots at my local blockbuster.
#3) Firing a gun in a game is NOTHING like firing a gun irl. If i were to pick up a firearm i had not trained with right NOW and shoot it i would not hit a bloody thing i wanted to. If i picked up a firearm i hadn't trained with in a game i would not miss a damn thing BECAUSE AIMING IN A GAME IS NOTHING LIKE AIMING IRL!
#4) If terrorists used MW2 to train for a terrorist attack THAT SUCCEEDED! then they must have been the best terrorists EVAR! or faced the most incompetent security EVAR!
#5) If this had been a movie not a bleeding thing would be said.\

Every school shooter from the 90s started this "Doom trained me to kill" bull shit. And people ate it up BECAUSE THEY ARE IDIOTS! If video games were proper training for combat military's would have loads easier time training soldiers.

I think terrorists and explosives have been around a lot longer than post 2009, and it was Die Hard 2 involving the airport, that was 1988.

Numachuka:
Pressing a button on a game = training people to plant explosives.

Of corse!

Sure, how many times have you sat with a bomb and not known how teh fuck to plant it.
After gaming CS i think must've been the first bomb planting game for me, i know that you just hold down "E" till you hear beeping noises.

Now ofc, it's not as simple as that, it may be a PS/XBox bomb, and you'll have to use one of the buttons corresponding with the platsoforms controlelrs button (can't remember which buttons is used for planting in the consoles)

But eventually, if you play all paltforms, you'll know hwo to plant almost any bomb, apart from those shitty ones with custom controlls, i hate those.

Am I a psychic or just capable of predicting the obvious for thinking this was going to be stated at some point?

They'd have a point if the terrorists shot the place up. However, the media are just being stupid here.

I knew it! I knew games would be blamed! Games still aren't taken seriously as a medium, so they have become an outlet of the media to blame events with occasionally nothing to do with said game, but "oh the same location was involved it must have been relevant" or "some kid played a violent game, then committed a murder" argument to blame. Some people just don't have a good mindset. Its still free thought, and just because they did something in a game doesn't mean that a majority, or even all people think its right in real life. Its not the game's fault, the person involved either chose to do it, or had clouded judgement.

MEDIA! STOP BLAMING GAMES! THEY ARE NOT THE CAUSE!

Some people are just too stupid. It's amazing that we've come so far as a species. Not thanks to people like these idiots.

Long gone are the days of secret brainwashing facilities.

In related news, Moscow TV announces the hiring of a new expert correspondant on the ties between media and violence, Jakov Thompsonski.

*facepalm*

-- Steve

its always the god damn russians

I fuckin KNEW this was gonna happen

Are you fucking kidding me?

All who knew this game would get blamed for the attack sooner or later say aye

Mornelithe:
Yeah I think we've already determined that Video Games do not equal serious military training. We've also determined that anyone with the will to commit an act of terror, will do so of their own accord. I mean, it couldn't possibly be Russia's recent attempts to annex part of Eastern Europe that weren't within its borders (Georgia, South Ossetia), no, no way their recent actions towards those two countries could've made anyone angry, least of all their inhabitants. *rolls eyes*

Or, of course, the issue of Chechnya, what with a really pissed of militant Islamic group taking up arms against the Russian Government. I'm surprised that no-one has blamed them yet, considering that they have undertaken suicide-bombings in the past.

This is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. What do people have against gaming? EVERY government seems to have a department devoted to killing this generations fun by linking it to something negative (for the record, I'm talking about the game in general, not that particular mission. One day, people like them will be remembered alongside Puritans.

Yes, because a video game where you mow down people with a machine gun is great training for being a SUICIDED BOMBER!

-_-

Therumancer:
On the other hand, those of us defending video games also have to be realistic, and acknowlege when they other side has some legitimate points. I doubt "Modern Warfare 2" inspired this, and even if it did it's no worse than any other work of fiction that inspired real world events (like the book "Hijacked"). It is true that shooter games can be used as part of a training process. It helps with visualization, and developing tactics and an understanding of what you are trying to do. Our military in the US uses FPS games as a *part* of training, and so do a lot of other armed forces groups. Indeed one of the selling points for some games like "ARMA" is that they are hyper realistic, and were developed as training tools. It's hard to deny that the terrorists involved probably did train with FPS games, because almost anyone with combat training and access to the technology probably did. Terrorists are not stupid. I'd imagine like a lot of groups these guys probably did the FPS games while working out and practicing physical skills, and also doing things like paintball (which is another common training exercise).

That is true, I was hoping something would mention that.

Having said that, there's quite a bit of wincing when people hear that the US military uses video games for training purposes.

stompy:
Or, of course, the issue of Chechnya, what with a really pissed of militant Islamic group taking up arms against the Russian Government. I'm surprised that no-one has blamed them yet, considering that they have undertaken suicide-bombings in the past.

I know right? Russia acting like they have no natural enemies of their own making. That's rich.

Aw fuck. And I thought nobody was enough of a dumb fuck to do this. Ah well, never mind.

They're saying the terrorists could be training tactics on the game, not that the game itself inspired it. Frankly, it's plausible -- has everyone forgotten the US Marine Corps version of Doom? "No Russian" is a pretty good look at how to go about shooting unarmed civilians. I doubt that it's very realistic in the way the terrorists escaped, but then escape is usually pretty low on the list of things to do for terrorists these days. Would you guys freak out if someone flew a hijacked plane into a building, not because people died, but because the media suggested they might have trained on a flight sim?

Mornelithe:

stompy:
Or, of course, the issue of Chechnya, what with a really pissed of militant Islamic group taking up arms against the Russian Government. I'm surprised that no-one has blamed them yet, considering that they have undertaken suicide-bombings in the past.

I know right? Russia acting like they have no natural enemies of their own making. That's rich.

The fact that this 'journalism' comes from a state-owned media outlet does make me wonder whether the Kremlin wants to deflect attention away from the issues surrounding the region. Food for thought, at least.

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