Nintendo: "Heyday of Piracy" Is Over

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Nintendo: "Heyday of Piracy" Is Over

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Nintendo thinks that the golden age of piracy is slowly coming to an end - and that pirates will have a hard time cracking its 3DS.

Piracy: Mentioning the word alone in a news post is all but guaranteed to spark controversy in the discussion thread. It's a big problem in the industry and everyone knows it - whether you're on the developers' side and think they should be paid for their work, or whether you're on the other side and think that anti-piracy restrictions have gone too far and catch legitimate customers in their wake.

Speaking with CVG at the Nintendo 3DS event in Amsterdam, Nintendo UK general manager David Yarnton and marketing manager James Honeywell said that not only did the 3DS have Nintendo's most sophisticated anti-piracy deterrents yet, the age of the pirates had peaked.

"People are aware that video games, music and movies make massive contributions to the economies of countries," said Honeywell. "They need to make sure they start protecting those things."

"I think perhaps there's been a 'heyday of piracy' and we've now seen a lot of rules come in to stop it."

"Recently there have been a couple of rulings with R4s where people have been found guilty and had quite significant sentences against them," added Yarnton. "This now makes a precedent that potentially in the future it won't be a viable thing for people to do."

Yarnton mentions the R4 by name, which isn't surprising - the infamous flashcart was perhaps the single most damaging blow dealt to Nintendo's popular DS platform, as it enabled quick and easy piracy of DS software. The 3DS, however, would be more resistant to devices like the R4, said Yarnton, echoing statements made by THQ back in July.

"We can't divulge any technical details on that but needless to say this is probably one of our best pieces of equipment in that respect," said Yarnton. "There are a lot of things we've learnt over time to try and improve the security and protection - not only of our IP but of our third-party publishers' IP as well."

Of course, Yarnton's reluctance to speak on the matter was partially due to him being rather savvy to the ways of the pirate community - any boasting about one's electronic security is likely to be taken as a challenge to be bested.

"It's always like a red rag to a bull isn't it? I almost don't want to comment on that sort of thing."

(CVG)

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It'll take a few months, but eventually it will fall like everything else.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if the 3DS is cracked within two weeks.

I give it 4 weeks.

Damn it, Nintendo. You don't ever say something like that.

Ever.

Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"

iam laughing at you Nintendo.

piracy ... it never had a golden age its been the same since it became popular.
its the end of the big publishers golden age of DRM as pirates take it upon themselves to crack your systems for fun instead of profit.

Doesn't every company say this... AT THE RELEASE OF EVERY CONSOLE EVER?!

I sense a take-up in the Developer vs Pirates warz!

Only.... Pirates can't go to war on account of not being a registered country..... So i Dunno.

An "they are NOT going to crack our hardware/software" statement, in the long line of such statements, that were always proved laughably false.

3 days.

Somewhere right now, theres a hacker sitting at is computer reading this post; "I except your challenge!"... Silly Nintendo >.<

My estimate is three days or less.

I seem to think they waxed lyrical about the DSi's vastly encrypted and improved hacker resistance. That lasted ages, I mean it took the hackers of the world literally hours to break it.

In the world of I Phones getting cracked before they're even on sale I can't see anything old Ninty do as being terribly effective. Which from my view at least is a good thing, I only ever bought four or five DS games and every other piece of software I had for it was homebrew. With any luck the Homebrew for the 3DS will be just as good as DS's was, Mp3 players, image editors, movie playback, masses more functionality than Nintendo ever managed for the DS, wouldn't have bought one without it.

What they think is that pirates are stupid people.
Which is wrong, because there are brilliant people on both sides and what I would do is that I would hire the pirates to my company and test my DRM and actually make recommendations.
To perfect something then you have to come to the enemy.

I'll be generous and give it two months, tops. I kinda want it to happen sooner, if for no other reason because I hate self righteous braggarts more than most pirates.

dumbarses. This is begging to be cracked now.

That's all I have to say. And all anyone has to say.

Dear Nintendo,

Where I come from we have an expression. "Don't poke the bear!"

That is all

nothing is unhackable. especially hardware. it is going to happen. everyone here is giving quite the time frame. i give it within the first week. why? because nintendo said it won't happen. and that'll be all the motivation somebody needs.

I'll give it a week.

JediMB:
Damn it, Nintendo. You don't ever say something like that.

Ever.

Precisely - you just release something with awesome security quietly and leave the pirates scratching their heads in bewilderment, not get them all raring to have a go at the next challenge. Easier to win a fight when the other guy doesn't know it's started ;)

QuirkyTambourine:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"

This may be inacurrate, but I read somewhere, that it took hackers almost 2 months to properly pirate AC2 on PC.

QuirkyTambourine:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"

That actually lasted quite a while, over a month if I recall.

"In aggressively unrelated news, Nintendo executives are hinting that the 3DS project won't actually turn a profit for at least seven years, due to the enormous amount of time and money wasted on their anti-copying technology. Also, 3DS sales have lagged due to the platform's poor battery life, owing to its constantly checking in to yourpapersplease.nintendo.com to ensure the system is only running code authorized by Nintendo..."

Nothing is uncrackable. The more you proclaim that it is infallible the more people will want to crack it.

John Funk:

"It's always like a red rag to a bull isn't it? I almost don't want to comment on that sort of thing."

Bulls are colourblind. It's the flapping that infuriates them.

But yeah, don't EVER say something is pirate-proof. It's like messing with guys who can install Linux on PS3s.

Wicky_42:

JediMB:
Damn it, Nintendo. You don't ever say something like that.

Ever.

Precisely - you just release something with awesome security quietly and leave the pirates scratching their heads in bewilderment, not get them all raring to have a go at the next challenge. Easier to win a fight when the other guy doesn't know it's started ;)

Except that this fight is not able to be won. Much like any game includes a survival mode like Nazi Zombies, you can last as long as you want. But there will be an end, and you will lose.

Although I tend to stand on the anti-piracy side of neutral, I'd love to see this thing cracked just to teach them a bit of hubris.

Well, that was probably the worst thing to say. After that, every pirate worth his salt does this:

Nintendo, listen to me. Never, ever bait pirates like this. Without motivation, they might not crack it for years. Now? I give it two weeks. A month, tops.

John Funk:

QuirkyTambourine:
Isn't there some sort of Murphy's Law regarding "unhackable DRM"? The prime example that springs to mind is Ubisoft's "super secure DRM" that required an internet connection 24/7. That was cracked in what? 48 hours?

Obviously a hardware device will take a little longer but isn't it poking the bear just a little bit by saying "We've made this device uncrackable" I foresee lots of very competent people responding "Challenge accepted"

Huh, my mistake. And my fault for pulling numbers out of a very dark place located immediately behind me.

The point remains the same though I think, give those type of people, the ones with the honest skill to crack a piece of hardware, a reason to do it, a thumb to the nose or what have you, and they will set about it with great gusto.

That actually lasted quite a while, over a month if I recall.

I give it a month, at best... Honestly, long as people are able to educate them selfs, nothing can stop them.

Edit: I mean we got load of people with education is technical professions. you can stop people from co-working together.

It's like Nintendo wants the 3DS to get hacked within the first 24 hours me to facepalm

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I wish system developers would stop telling us their machines are uncrackable. I mean is it just so hard to shut up and make sure all the games on the system so awesome that everyone will WANT to buy them?

Okay... Some long term approach.

Nintendo supports COICA

So it's not a surprise the CEO is confident in making legislation to deter pirates. BUT... Let's factor in what they took away from the 3DS.

Regionalization back in the system
DRM
Challenge to break DRM
Homebrew games left off the table

Basically there is more, but if Nintendo decides to go the way of the monopolist, it won't take long for them to be taken down.

Give it two weeks tops. I bet three cookies.

Quite frankly, for the sake of us import gamers, I hope Nintendo loses this fight as soon as possible. I wouldn't normally support such activities, but in light of their decision to region lock the 3DS, I have little sympathy for them in regards to this matter.

Hey, Nintendo, here is a tip. Do you know what is a good way to not encourage piracy? By not forcing your legitimate paying customers to resort to it in order to play their legitimately purchased games.

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