Vatican Voices Disapproval for Confession iPhone App

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Vatican Voices Disapproval for Confession iPhone App

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iPhone apps are no replacement for a priest, says Vatican spokesman.

Confession: A Roman Catholic App, a religious-themed application for the iPhone and iPad, has met with disapproval from the Vatican, despite having received a stamp of approval from a bishop. As you might have guessed from its title, Confession is intended to help Catholic iPhone users confess their sins.

Confession has password protected profiles, which keep track of a user's age, gender, occupation, and the amount of time between confessions. It also contains a step-by-step guide to the sacrament so that users might take part in the Rite of Penance. Confession's developer, Little iApps, worked in conjunction with two priests to make sure all the text was accurate, and the app received an imprimatur - which is essentially the Catholic Church's seal of approval - from Bishop Kevin C. Rhodes of the Diocese of Fort Wayne - South Bend.

Unfortunately for Little iApps, and quite possibly Bishop Rhodes too, the Vatican doesn't agree with the Bishop's assessment. In a statement, Vatican spokesperson Federico Lombardi said that an iPhone app could never take the place of an actual priest, and that under no circumstances was it possible to confess through a piece of software. He said that it was vital that people understood that the Rite of Penance was a dialogue between the penitent and his or her confessor.

This mark of disapproval from the Vatican will no doubt be quite a blow to Little iApps, especially as it was an address by Pope Benedict XVI himself that inspired the studio to make the app in the first place. It also raises some interesting questions about the role of technology in the Catholic Church - and indeed, a lot of other faiths - but those are probably best left to people better qualified to answer them.

Source: Daily Mail

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Heh, they're just worried it'll put priests out of jobs. On topic, doesn't sound like that bad an idea. I don't believe in this personally; but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

Jamous:
Heh, they're just worried it'll put priests out of jobs. On topic, doesn't sound like that bad an idea. I don't believe in this personally; but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

Yeah it would be easier, which defeats the whole point.

Lol now he'll be out of a job.

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

Yes.
It's software meant to be used by catholics in replacement for a catholic practice. So if what amounts to the catholic boss (the vatican) say it's a no go, then it's a no go.

Awesome. Now I can confess in between sessions of Angry Birds, which usually end with me swearing.

Akalabeth:

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

Yes.
It's software meant to be used by catholics in replacement for a catholic practice. So if what amounts to the catholic boss (the vatican) say it's a no go, then it's a no go.

I suppose if it made the Vatican more money they wouldn't complain. But that's another story. The Vatican is entitled to define how to practice their religion, I can't argue with that logic.

Oh no! A societal group disapproving of something in which they're depicted? Never! :P

Seriously, unless this results in the app being taken off the App Store, this is just free publicity for the app and its developers. If they hadn't mentioned it, there'd be a lot more people who wouldn't know this app existed

Chances of being abused by an iPhone: Zero
Chances of being abused by a priest: Ummm... not zero.

Is the vatican's opinion going to stop people downloading this? Wouldn't have thought so.

i agree with the Vatican on this one. Making confession an app is quite silly. it's a rite of repentance. Making it convenient sorta defeats the whole thing.

So I guess the only thing the Vatican doesn't disapprove of these days is child abuse.

Jamous:
but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

This is true, people don't usually like confrontation so doing it online could be nice for some.

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Jamous:
Heh, they're just worried it'll put priests out of jobs. On topic, doesn't sound like that bad an idea. I don't believe in this personally; but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

Forgive me father, for I have sinned.

I have anger in my heart, great anger. I grow tired of the pigs of the world and have committed murder against them.

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

Of course.

No one else needs this type of confession, and the Vatican came up with it, so yes, it does.

Anyways, go Vatican. If your religious rites are replaced by an app, I mourn for this world.

Toriver:

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Cannot argue with that.

Toriver:

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

Should be linked to facebook.

"Bob has gone to online confession for Adultery."

Jamous:
Heh, they're just worried it'll put priests out of jobs. On topic, doesn't sound like that bad an idea. I don't believe in this personally; but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

Kinda this.
Also, I'm not catholic, so I could be wrong, but isn't the point of confession to confess to God and be repentant and then be granted forgiveness? If so, then the Iphone is pretty much just as good of a conduit to god as a priest, since He is in all places. Also, I thought technically you could confess in private, that the priest was just a method of formalizing the confession and to gauge if you were repentant or not, and if you were to formally grant you absolution. Like I said, i could be wrong, but if I'm even close to right than the only real reason to oppose it is because it would decrease the number of times people visited church.

Read a couple of posts, looks like I'm wrong.

Cliff_m85:

Toriver:

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

That's why your not catholic. The fact is, that catholics believe in the rite, and all of it's accompanied rules. Their belief in it, gives the rite power, and they believe in doing it the right way. Truth is irrelevant when it is unknowable, therefore the perception is all that holds power. I now understand the opposition.

Consider the source it's another Daily Mail link

Jamous:
Heh, they're just worried it'll put priests out of jobs. On topic, doesn't sound like that bad an idea. I don't believe in this personally; but it'd be much easier to confess online that to a person, I think.

Doesn't matter whether it is easier or if it will put Priests out of a job, the outrage stems from the fact that only priests are capable of absolving sins according to the church. A piece of technology doesn't count as a member of the clergy, that is why they're upset about it.

Cliff_m85:

Toriver:

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

It doesn't matter whether its silly or not, its the way that the Catholics run things. They have every right to say that an Iphone is incapable of absolving sin.

spartan231490:

Cliff_m85:

Toriver:

That's because in the Catholic Church, a priest has to dispense absolution from your sins and give you a penance in order for it to be a true reconciliation. An iPhone app can't do that. So while this may not actually be meant to take the place of the sacrament of reconciliation, it could confuse many Catholics into thinking it's a valid substitute when it's really not. That's the problem with it.

Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

That's why your not catholic. The fact is, that catholics believe in the rite, and all of it's accompanied rules. Their belief in it, gives the rite power, and they believe in doing it the right way. Truth is irrelevant when it is unknowable, therefore the perception is all that holds power. I now understand the opposition.

That guy admits to being a vocal anti-thiest, don't expect him to buy "they believe in X".

lacktheknack:

spartan231490:

Cliff_m85:

Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

That's why your not catholic. The fact is, that catholics believe in the rite, and all of it's accompanied rules. Their belief in it, gives the rite power, and they believe in doing it the right way. Truth is irrelevant when it is unknowable, therefore the perception is all that holds power. I now understand the opposition.

That guy admits to being a vocal anti-thiest, don't expect him to buy "they believe in X".

to put it bluntly, if he doesn't believe it,(for that reason) he's an idiot. Just because he doesn't believe in god/the afterlife ect., doesn't mean that others can't, and there is ample evidence in our world that perception is often more powerful than truth.

Actually, all the app was meant to do to begin with is to help a person prepare for the Sacrament of Confession. It's roughly equivalent to a sheet of paper that outlines an examination of conscience (what sins did I commit, how serious were they, how many times did I commit them) and the process of the sacrament (what Father So-and-so says, what I am supposed to say at which points). The app doesn't celebrate the sacrament in place of a priest any more than a piece of paper with that information would.

It's supposed to be a refresher for people who have been away from confession for a while, and a tool for helping people make better confessions overall.

From the developers' website (http://www.littleiapps.com/overview.php): "Designed to be used in the confessional, this app is the perfect aid for every penitent."

So it's not a disapproval from the Vatican, but rather a clarification. What Fr. Lombardi says in no way contradicts what the developers of the app are doing or saying.

Wait a second. Does the app actually claim to administer the sacrament of confession? Or does it just claim to ASSIST? Because no priest in his right mind would okay an app that administers the sacrament - it's likely an excommunicating offense!

Is there a demo of this app so we can see if the Church is banning the app or the media's IMAGE of the app?

spartan231490:

lacktheknack:

spartan231490:

That's why your not catholic. The fact is, that catholics believe in the rite, and all of it's accompanied rules. Their belief in it, gives the rite power, and they believe in doing it the right way. Truth is irrelevant when it is unknowable, therefore the perception is all that holds power. I now understand the opposition.

That guy admits to being a vocal anti-thiest, don't expect him to buy "they believe in X".

to put it bluntly, if he doesn't believe it,(for that reason) he's an idiot. Just because he doesn't believe in god/the afterlife ect., doesn't mean that others can't, and there is ample evidence in our world that perception is often more powerful than truth.

According to the average anti-theist (not an atheist, mind you), all religion should die, so I imagine he'll take less than kindly to that.

(As a Christian, I've learned how to duck and cover from anti-theists. Infuriating, but there's no way to win.)

techercat:
Actually, all the app was meant to do to begin with is to help a person prepare for the Sacrament of Confession. It's roughly equivalent to a sheet of paper that outlines an examination of conscience (what sins did I commit, how serious were they, how many times did I commit them) and the process of the sacrament (what Father So-and-so says, what I am supposed to say at which points). The app doesn't celebrate the sacrament in place of a priest any more than a piece of paper with that information would.

It's supposed to be a refresher for people who have been away from confession for a while, and a tool for helping people make better confessions overall.

From the developers' website (http://www.littleiapps.com/overview.php): "Designed to be used in the confessional, this app is the perfect aid for every penitent."

So it's not a disapproval from the Vatican, but rather a clarification. What Fr. Lombardi says in no way contradicts what the developers of the app are doing or saying.

Well if THAT'S the case, then this article is pointless. Yay.

lacktheknack:

spartan231490:

lacktheknack:

That guy admits to being a vocal anti-thiest, don't expect him to buy "they believe in X".

to put it bluntly, if he doesn't believe it,(for that reason) he's an idiot. Just because he doesn't believe in god/the afterlife ect., doesn't mean that others can't, and there is ample evidence in our world that perception is often more powerful than truth.

According to the average anti-theist (not an atheist, mind you), all religion should die, so I imagine he'll take less than kindly to that.

(As a Christian, I've learned how to duck and cover from anti-theists. Infuriating, but there's no way to win.)

Truth is truth, refusal to accept it is idiotic. "Willingly turning aside from the truth is treason to oneself."

Cliff_m85:
Only a true Frangulagilist can dispense Silappuputum upon the erignum of the people. An iPhone cannot do that.

It's a silly rite and practice that does nothing whatsoever. The iPhone does just as much good in my opinion.

Yea, but you're not the target market for the app. The market is for believers, and believers go with the Vatican.

I will get this app, and I will troll.

That's completely understandable. That said, I would still troll the shit out of that app.

Natdaprat:
So because the Vatican says it's no replacement, that makes it fact?

Yes, but only if you're Catholic. In the Catholic church, anything the Vatican says is equivalent to the word of God.

techercat:

According to the average anti-theist (not an atheist, mind you), all religion should die, so I imagine he'll take less than kindly to that.

(As a Christian, I've learned how to duck and cover from anti-theists. Infuriating, but there's no way to win.)

Darn anti-theists giving us levelheaded atheists a bad name. It's much like reasonable Catholics being judged based on the few wackos.

(Well I guess that I'm more of an agnostic in this regard, but whatever)

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