Seattle's Protector Causes Tension in Superhero Community

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Seattle's Protector Causes Tension in Superhero Community

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The schism was inevitable, but efforts to repair it seem doomed to failure.

Seattle-based superhero, Phoenix Jones, may have grabbed a few headlines recently, but his hands-on methods are ruffling feathers among his contemporaries in the Real World Superhero organization. The RLSH think it's only a matter of time before Jones, or another member of his Rain City Superheroes, gets themselves badly hurt, or even killed.

Members of the RLSH usually focus on charitable endeavors like handing out food at homeless shelters. Some, like New York City's Dark Guardian, take a slightly more active role, but ultimately remain non-violent. Jones, on the other hand, will often actively try to stop crime with his arsenal of non-lethal weaponry. His actions have most recently resulted in a broken nose, and Jones says that he has also been stabbed and shot in the past.

Knight Owl, a member of the RLSH from Portland, OR, said that it was inevitable that there would eventually be someone who agreed with the movement's mission, but not the methods. Nevertheless, he felt that it didn't reflect well on the superhero community, and that Jones was something of a thorn in the RLSH's side.

According to Jones, the tension between him and the RLSH isn't new. Jones said that the movement resented his quick rise to prominence, and blackballed him when he tried to smooth things over. There have been subsequent efforts to patch up the relationship, but they've met with little success. Jones was critical of the RLSH, saying that although its members did good work, there was no point in putting on a superhero costume if you weren't going to fight crime. He said he didn't see the use in giving food to homeless people, if you weren't also going to deal with the drug dealers who made their lives even harder.

It really seems like Jones and the RLSH are both right. Giving food to homeless people is a good start, but hunger is just the most immediate of their problems. On the other hand, the RLSH isn't kidding when it says that's it only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured. With any luck, that time will be a long time coming, but it will happen.

Source: Wall Street Journal via Bleeding Cool

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So hes something of a Wolverine now? Epic!

Seriously though Im pretty sure Jones is well aware of the dangers yet hes still taking the risk to help others. I applaud the guy in all his efforts. The RLSH is also doing something noble, dont get me wrong, but I still think Jones is doing the most impact here.

This is the first time i've heard of this guy, is he famous in the USA or just Seattle?

Organisations need organising not the endeavours they push forward. If there isn't a crazy person like him then they'll probably just atrophy and rot, freedom is all people pulling in different directions.

It's official, I finally can't figure out which side of a debate is fucking retarded.

They're both bit retarded but I'll stick with the awesomely retarded side.

Its kind of inevitable.

Its like in Kick Ass. You become a vigilante, youre eventually going to get yourself or someone you care about hurt or even killed.

I might salute him that much more for every day Jones goes without getting himself hurt/killed when he does get himself hut/killed.

Is it just me or is the feud between Phoenix Jones and his gang of superheroes versus the RLSH superheroes reminding me of those D.C. versus Marvel comics? There's such a good comic strip in this. If I had more talent in that area I'd do it myself.

Thats actually pretty awesome. Surely he's going to get hurt at some point but hey, if you're going to take on crime, thats to be expected. As for the RLSH, they're doing amazing work too; just not nearly as... interesting?

If he wanted to fight crime, could he not have joined the police, or other law enforcement agency, and, you know, do things properly?

Knight Owl? If you're going to be a superhero at least choose a vaguely unique name.

Fasckira:
Seriously though Im pretty sure Jones is well aware of the dangers yet hes still taking the risk to help others. I applaud the guy in all his efforts. The RLSH is also doing something noble, dont get me wrong, but I still think Jones is doing the most impact here.

Agreed. He knows what he's doing (at least for the most part) and even if he does get badly injured or even killed, he will do so gladly doing what he enjoys.

If that is anyone's main excuse for debating his actions, then they would also have to disagree with half the world who enjoys extreme sports and/ or the military.

My only issue with his actions is his extent. Is he going to be breaking laws in his crime-fighting? It's almost inevitable if he's to remain successful. In which case, then he'd be in the wrong, no matter how much I personally support his actions.

Well good on him, I say. Fight the worthy fight.

btw, I wonder if he's been watching Smallville lately? cookie for cue.

what the hell? real-life superheroes? never heard of that before...
now it's just a matter of time until the real-life supervillains pop up. oh, wait...we already have these...

Pilkingtube:
This is the first time i've heard of this guy, is he famous in the USA or just Seattle?

Honestly he's not even very well known here (I live in the Seattle area). Basically he's garnered a little bit of niche celebrity and has been the subject of a few color pieces in local and national news papers.

I wonder; How does he get around? By Motorcycle, I hope. Walking down the street in outfit doesn't feel very Superhero-ish, or effective way to patrol.
I have heard of him in the news before, and I don't live in the states.
I like what he is doing, even though I agree he will end up getting hurt, or worse. But it's his own legal right, and he is within the law (Civil Arrest is still legal in Seattle, is it not?).

Also..image

..Wtf?

the article seemed to skirt around the important issue: this is about grown men wearing costumes arguing over the best way to deal with crime. WTF!?

You know, we have things like sworn police officers, courts, judges, and due process for a reason. It's only a matter of time before someone takes the "non" out of "non-lethal" in their pursuit of "justice". Sure, at the moment the more active vigilantes are only stopping unambiguous property/violent crimes, but what happens when a vigilante decides to crack down on software piracy? Or if a vigilante decides that non-crimes (in American society), like cheating on your spouse, deserve "justice".

I just made this guy in Dc universe online. He seems to be kicking ass.

Azuaron:
but what happens when a vigilante decides to crack down on software piracy? Or if a vigilante decides that non-crimes (in American society), like cheating on your spouse, deserve "justice".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller

That sort of thing has been going on for ages.

Hell, why not class "corrective rape" and harassment of inter-racial couples under that while we're at it?

if you're going to be a superhero you might as well go out and actually fight crime. i'm not sure why you need a costume to feed the homeless.

What Jones is doing is awesome ... up until he gets someone else hurt that is.

If you've ever seen "Cops" (and who hasn't) you know how unpredictable violent criminals can be. I dread the day when some innocent person gets hurt or worse when Jones' bubble of idealism is popped by the pin of reality.

There are two ways one can effectively fight crime:

1) Gain actual personal super powers way beyond the capabilities of steroids. At a *minimum* you would need to be invulnerable to bullets and at least twice as fast as the currently fastest human. Also a super-fast brain so violent encounters can be handled in "bullet time."

2) Join a larger organization of trained and well-equipped specialists who are given authority by society to capture and hold dangerous persons. This is called "joining the police."

Mr. Jones, unless you can swing the former, please switch to the latter.

Pilkingtube:
This is the first time i've heard of this guy, is he famous in the USA or just Seattle?

He's not really famous at all, just a news oddity that's cropped up in the past few weeks.

OT: I'm inclined to side with the guy who's sounding more and more like Batman, but ya know it's a little less cool since he's already blown his secret identity. Still, I say let this guy usher in an age of super heroes for the US. Too be honest it's just the next step in the rapid decent of crazy we seem to be in.

http://www.reallifesuperheroes.org/

After visiting this site..........I don't know what to think, its like fathers for justice have been at the steroids and pop rocks. How long has this shit been going on? Are the looney bins really so full that theres no more room for a few more?

Dude knows the risks, and I heard on the news that he wears bullet prof body armor under his costume, so he he's not fucking around. Honestly, who doesn't want to be a superhero?

boradis:
2) Join a larger organization of trained and well-equipped specialists who are given authority by society to capture and hold dangerous persons. This is called "joining the police."

Mr. Jones, unless you can swing the former, please switch to the latter.

Yeah, give him unlimited access to firearms. Great idea. I think I'll take my chances with a guy in a mask carrying around mace and punching people.

WTF did I just read?

I wonder how long it will take crooks to dress up in costumes.

boradis:
2) Join a larger organization of trained and well-equipped specialists who are given authority by society to capture and hold dangerous persons. This is called "joining the police."

If I remember something like that already exists in the US and they are called bounty hunters but as for other places such as europe I don't think it's legal.

.. what the hell is the RLSH?
Is this some kind of movie? I feel like I've walked in on some alien thing.

I agree with him, you don't need a costume to hand out food. The homeless don't care if it's a superhero handing them food or some guy wearing a sweat suit.

thaluikhain:
If he wanted to fight crime, could he not have joined the police, or other law enforcement agency, and, you know, do things properly?

That isn't actually so. The point of a man wearing a costume is he has the ability to do what they cannot. The system is designed to protect the innocent, but occasionally, the system also has to let bad people go. Making the system more draconian isn't really an option, because then more innocent people get caught in it than already are. The state just gets all pissy when other people do the job "they" say only "they" are allowed to do. If he hasn't hurt anyone innocent though, I don't see a harm. The second someone gets killed, they are no longer a costumed vigilante, they are in fact a costumed criminal, maybe even a super villain. It's also debatable how "proper" those law enforcement agencies really are.

boradis:

If you've ever seen "Cops" (and who hasn't) you know how unpredictable violent criminals can be.

Have you ever seen how unpredictably violent cops can be? There are some countries around the world that employ on a private basis, security for it's people. This is no different than me volunteering for a Community Watch. Only, they do it a bit flashier. And so far, he is only non violent, something the police arent. Also, it's his choice to do these things if he so wishes, even at great personal risk, he is allowed to do them because his body is his right.

Ya know, im actually glad Phoenix is out there doing his thing. It encourages my view of the human race that finally someone stood up and is making a difference. I myself have often thought about trying the same thing but our police force would lock me up quick as lightning. I wonder why Seattle police are so lineint, maybe crime really is bad there

He knows its risky thats why he wears bullet-proof armor and plating. Must be hella tough to wear that suit for long periods. I'd imagine it gets hot and heavy.

My best wishes go out to all the Rain City Superheroes, I wish them the best of luck. If they ever need back-up well ive been wanting to move for some time...

So where does Shadow Hare fit into this that is if anyone still remember him. I don't blame the RLSH want to stop Phoenix Jones aggressive action since the worse case scenario is in that scene in Kick Ass.
Regardless on either side despite how some people think they are weirdo for dressing up I genuine believe that they do it for a good cause. (I read that their cause had affected people for the better.)

Perhaps these people don't realise just how silly they look? want to help your city? Volunteer to work with the homless, donate and help staff a soup kitchen or any number of community projects that help tackle the casues of why there is crime. Train as a councilor or become qualified to volenteer your time doing social work. These are not flashy, people do them every day week in and week out, but they do more good than showing off in a silly costume to people.

I don't think their actions deter crime or really inspire people, want to fight crime? Join the police. They are more functional than you think and their processes stop you and others from being put in unncessary danger. I find him little more than adnagerous fantasist.

Scrumpmonkey:
Perhaps these people don't realise just how silly they look? want to help your city? Volunteer to work with the homless, donate and help staff a soup kitchen or any number of community projects that help tackle the casues of why there is crime. Train as a councilor or become qualified to volenteer your time doing social work. These are not flashy, people do them every day week in and week out, but they do more good than showing off in a silly costume to people.

I don't think their actions deter crime or really inspire people, want to fight crime? Join the police. They are more functional than you think and their processes stop you and others from being put in unncessary danger. I find him little more than adnagerous fantasist.

This is entirely true, and that's pretty undeniable.

However it doesn't stop the fact that people dressing as super heroes and fighting crime is both useful and entertaining. Sure it's pretty mad, and by no means practical, but in the modern age what else can we expect? It was only a matter of time before Watchmen and Kick Ass became a real situation.

Scarim Coral:
So where does Shadow Hare fit into this that is if anyone still remember him. I don't blame the RLSH want to stop Phoenix Jones aggressive action since the worse case scenario is in that scene in Kick Ass.
Regardless on either side despite how some people think they are weirdo for dressing up I genuine believe that they do it for a good cause. (I read that their cause had affected people for the better.)

Best case scenario is Batman.

I'd think the world would be a better place with a Batman, don't you?

Always been pro-RLSH movement, their very enlightening bunch of people. Anyone that dons a mask and cape and helps out, either punching a drug dealer in the face or handing out sandwhiches is a hero in my book.

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