UK Atheists Hope to Eliminate Jedi Population

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Mfw I see this thread:

Is this really so important as to justify the creation of this 12-page circle-jerk?

End it.

Guess atheists are the new catholics when it comes to having no sense of humor... oh wait, I forgot about communism

Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

If only I lived in the UK
I'd write Jedi anyway
Tee hee

That sounds about right. Militant atheists are renowned for having no sense of humour about their un-beliefs and are notoriously keen to get in other people's faces about it. Which is rather ironic, given how much they like to slag off at religion for doing the same thing.

If someone wants to put Jedi down as their religion, more power to them. About time people stopped taking this stuff so seriously.

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

What part of "'No Religion' checkbox" do you not understand?

"Atheism" is no more a religion than is "Not believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny."

RvLeshrac:

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

What part of "'No Religion' checkbox" do you not understand?

"Atheism" is no more a religion than is "Not believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny."

Its an ism, it is full of stupid people. Its a religion about not believing in a God. I just dont believe in God, but I dont make it into a group.

Everyone, put down jedi as your religion just to screw with them!....hey, atleast It isn't Scientology!

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

... Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the lack of a belief in a theistic god. Most agnostics are really atheists when you get right down to it. The problem is not the Atheists themselves but rather the hate that was put into the word.

It's been said before and I'll say it this time, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Saelune:
Its an ism, it is full of stupid people. Its a religion about not believing in a God. I just dont believe in God, but I dont make it into a group.

If you don't believe in god you're an atheist. It's not a group, think of it more like not believing in communism. Not all people who don't believe in communism have the same beliefs and not all atheists do either. There is a group of atheists that are creationists, except they believe the aliens put us here.

Also, the human race is full of stupid people, does that mean you don't classify yourself as Homo Sapien?

fix-the-spade:
What if I get a red pen and scrawl BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD across religion.

Will they file that under 'other'?

HERESY! You must obviously write the God-Emperor of Mankind or suffer for your transgressions against the Imperium!

Ah, the anti-religious zealots are becoming as bad as the religious ones!

The next thing we know and they'll be knocking on our doors and asking us if we were just having a laugh when we wrote "Jedi" on that census form. Basically, when I filled out the form all those years ago, I really hadn't got time for religion. Some things never change and as I feel that it causes much more suffering in the world than those atheist types (I called on God to smite me in a Religious Education Class about 15 years ago and he still hasn't), I'm still leaning towards agnostic.

Sure, I've learned a new word between censuses and I might consider writing agnostic, as opposed to "no religion", because it gets on the nerves of more people. I might just put Jedi, because it gets on the nerves of those people that actually seem to care, since there's nothing more ambiguous than writing "I have no religion", rather than saying "I have no religion, as I have seen no proof. If I do happen to see proof, my beliefs may be subject to change"

Heated arguments on my doorstep with Jehovah's Witnesses will stand testament to my belief that the Bible is fictional - I might as well wander around worshipping Gandalf the White, for he is the born again saviour of Middle Earth, which obviously has no parallels drawn to it :P

You might as well decide to ask me to explain my political views in a short sentence on these things - It won't work. There are guidelines for filling in this form and then there are people that try to tell us how to fill them in. I get to choose what I write personally and it will take a stronger willed group of individuals than these atheists to convince me to join them.

I'm not a Jedi, I wrote those four letters on the form last time for a laugh. Two fingers up at the establishment seemed like a fun idea at the time, but now I've got to consider if I really want to say I'm a part of the 4th biggest religion in the UK. I might as well just put "pastafarian", to get the Flying Spaghetti Monster some publicity.

Just slightly racist there. Yoda would be ashamed!

arithine:

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

... Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the lack of a belief in a theistic god. Most agnostics are really atheists when you get right down to it. The problem is not the Atheists themselves but rather the hate that was put into the word.

It's been said before and I'll say it this time, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Saelune:
Its an ism, it is full of stupid people. Its a religion about not believing in a God. I just dont believe in God, but I dont make it into a group.

If you don't believe in god you're an atheist. It's not a group, think of it more like not believing in communism. Not all people who don't believe in communism have the same beliefs and not all atheists do either. There is a group of atheists that are creationists, except they believe the aliens put us here.

Also, the human race is full of stupid people, does that mean you don't classify yourself as Homo Sapien?

There is no name for not collecting stamps. So why do I have to have a name and be assosciated with specific people for not believing in God?

arithine:

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

... Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the lack of a belief in a theistic god. Most agnostics are really atheists when you get right down to it. The problem is not the Atheists themselves but rather the hate that was put into the word.

It's been said before and I'll say it this time, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

"If you don't collect stamps, for God's sake say so!"

ysqure3:
It's ridiculous to say that people shouldn't self-identify as a particular religion unless they reach some standard of devoutness. It seems almost reasonable when we apply it to stuff that seems like a joke like the Church of Jediism, but if we apply it to a more privileged religion like Christianity, it gets ugly. People wouldn't accept being told that they can't identify as Christian unless they can show that they REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE, instead of just like to go to church on weekends. It would be offensive if a private organization ran a campaign like that; it would be a significant step toward religious hegemony if the actual government decided to require a standard of devoutness for census responses.

This is the most intelligent comment on religion I have ever read.

Also (from the 80's): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwXrcz-F9M

Yes to the vast majority of people, being catholic, anglican, evangelist, muslim, hindu, etc, is more a matter of showing off that they have a religion and therefore some "moral standards", but they dont believe in it. Jedi is a very well played joke, makes me cringe, but it is.

Saelune:

arithine:

Saelune:
Uh...if they want to make it seem like more people are atheists, atheism is a religion. (Which is why I dont like them either)

... Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the lack of a belief in a theistic god. Most agnostics are really atheists when you get right down to it. The problem is not the Atheists themselves but rather the hate that was put into the word.

It's been said before and I'll say it this time, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Saelune:
Its an ism, it is full of stupid people. Its a religion about not believing in a God. I just dont believe in God, but I dont make it into a group.

If you don't believe in god you're an atheist. It's not a group, think of it more like not believing in communism. Not all people who don't believe in communism have the same beliefs and not all atheists do either. There is a group of atheists that are creationists, except they believe the aliens put us here.

Also, the human race is full of stupid people, does that mean you don't classify yourself as Homo Sapien?

There is no name for not collecting stamps. So why do I have to have a name and be assosciated with specific people for not believing in God?

You don't I was just pointing something out. You don't have to be associated with anyone, but calling your self an atheist does not automatically lump you in with all the other atheists. The word came about because it was important for people to get across that they do not buy into religion.

You don't have to call yourself anything, hell I find it great that some people don't want to label themselves. I choose to call myself an atheist because I feel strongly about the subject, you're not a theist but you don't choose to call yourself an atheist and I'm cool with that. Just don't call atheism a religion.

from ditionary.com
re·li·gion
   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
-noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Atheism is not a set of beliefs, but a lack of a belief in a single proposition, thus it can not be described as a religion.

TLDR:
Feel free to call yourself what you want, it's your right, but don't call atheism a religion.

arithine:

Saelune:

arithine:

... Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the lack of a belief in a theistic god. Most agnostics are really atheists when you get right down to it. The problem is not the Atheists themselves but rather the hate that was put into the word.

It's been said before and I'll say it this time, if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

If you don't believe in god you're an atheist. It's not a group, think of it more like not believing in communism. Not all people who don't believe in communism have the same beliefs and not all atheists do either. There is a group of atheists that are creationists, except they believe the aliens put us here.

Also, the human race is full of stupid people, does that mean you don't classify yourself as Homo Sapien?

There is no name for not collecting stamps. So why do I have to have a name and be assosciated with specific people for not believing in God?

You don't I was just pointing something out. You don't have to be associated with anyone, but calling your self an atheist does not automatically lump you in with all the other atheists. The word came about because it was important for people to get across that they do not buy into religion.

You don't have to call yourself anything, hell I find it great that some people don't want to label themselves. I choose to call myself an atheist because I feel strongly about the subject, you're not a theist but you don't choose to call yourself an atheist and I'm cool with that. Just don't call atheism a religion.

from ditionary.com
re·li·gion
   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
-noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Atheism is not a set of beliefs, but a lack of a belief in a single proposition, thus it can not be described as a religion.

TLDR:
Feel free to call yourself what you want, it's your right, but don't call atheism a religion.

If it wasnt a religion, you might not be so offended by my view.

Tom Goldman:
In 2001, nearly 400,000 people wrote "Jedi" as their religion in what was seen as a widespread joke. This led to the founding of the UK's Church of Jediism which is still an active organization.

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Choppaduel:

WrongSprite:
Why do they even need to know? They have no reason to care.
I'm still fucking putting Jedi.

/facepalm

read the article again, also read this:

"The data gathered is used to inform government policy, and was used by the last government to justify funding of religious community bodies over secular ones. For example, 2001 census data has been used repeatedly to justify an increase in the number of state maintained faith schools and the increasing level of government money spent on faith organisations.

By ticking 'No Religion', you will ensure that the Government receives an unambiguous message about the number of non-religious people in the UK. Any other response may be manipulated into a response in favour of religion and publically funded religious organisations."

source: http://www.yourenotajedi.com/

/facepalm

As I said to the other guy, the government, believe it or not, are actually intelligent enough to work out that people who put Jedi aren't particularly religious. They would not seriously point at the Jedi community as a reason to build religious places.

Ahahaha! Angry atheists are angry :D

Is it so important for atheists (not all, but a good chunk for sure) that everyone follow their view? Let people have their fun, and believe whatever they want, hehe. Its not like being jedi is making em worse people.

On a more serious note: I see their point, but dont they have more important things to do than focus on what a number on a paper says?
How about getting evolution taught at schools?
Multi religious teachings in schools instead of just christianity?
Getting the "theory" part of evolution removed? (evolution is so tested and proved that its a freakin natural law. Calling it a theory is like calling the idea about gravity a theory)
Giving Richard Dawkins a nobel prize? (yes, Im christian and endorse Dawkins. The guy is a genius, nomatter if he tosses some one-liners thats supposed to insult me :D )

And the list goes on. Atheists worrying about other people wanting to be "jedi" gives just as good image of atheism as WBC gives of christianity :D

But what if I am of the opinion that all religions are fictional? I think that's what atheists think is true- so why is it so much of a bother to claim you're a part of one fictional group rather than another?

Also, I'm not causing another group of people to be under-represented because I say I'm a Jedi- They haven't built Jedi community centres instead of other denomination community centres or anything like that, so I don't see the issue.

It surely is identical to saying no religion whilst being slightly more hilarious.

WrongSprite:

Choppaduel:

WrongSprite:
Why do they even need to know? They have no reason to care.
I'm still fucking putting Jedi.

/facepalm

read the article again, also read this:

"The data gathered is used to inform government policy, and was used by the last government to justify funding of religious community bodies over secular ones. For example, 2001 census data has been used repeatedly to justify an increase in the number of state maintained faith schools and the increasing level of government money spent on faith organisations.

By ticking 'No Religion', you will ensure that the Government receives an unambiguous message about the number of non-religious people in the UK. Any other response may be manipulated into a response in favour of religion and publically funded religious organisations."

source: http://www.yourenotajedi.com/

/facepalm

As I said to the other guy, the government, believe it or not, are actually intelligent enough to work out that people who put Jedi aren't particularly religious. They would not seriously point at the Jedi community as a reason to build religious places.

But but... the numbers! On the paper! NUMBERS!!!

People got too few real worries in their life if people putting "jedi" is a major issue :D

Scrap da emp'rah, lez work on one of dem WAAAGH! insted. Always wan'ed ta build me own gitfinder.

Partezan:
Guess atheists are the new catholics when it comes to having no sense of humor... oh wait, I forgot about communism

you think that because we are capable of prioritising real, tangible, important issues over jokes that we have no sense of humour?

do you not see how retarded that is?

every atheist that sees "jedi" in the census, laughs for a second. but then they realize that had all those people put "no religion", instead, the world would be a better place.

fix-the-spade:
What if I get a red pen and scrawl BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD across religion.

Will they file that under 'other'?

Even though im christian, youve seriously tempted me to try writing that!

Just imagine the face of the guy reading it while counting! :D

Conor147:

Partezan:
Guess atheists are the new catholics when it comes to having no sense of humor... oh wait, I forgot about communism

you think that because we are capable of prioritising real, tangible, important issues over jokes that we have no sense of humour?

do you not see how retarded that is?

every atheist that sees "jedi" in the census, laughs for a second. but then they realize that had all those people put "no religion", instead, the world would be a better place.

If a number on a paper is considered a "real, tangible, important issue" in your book, your life is too good :D

PS: scroll up and read my post on REAL issues atheists should worry about.

Where's their Death Star?

I've got some missiles to spare.

Haakong:

Conor147:

Partezan:
Guess atheists are the new catholics when it comes to having no sense of humor... oh wait, I forgot about communism

you think that because we are capable of prioritising real, tangible, important issues over jokes that we have no sense of humour?

do you not see how retarded that is?

every atheist that sees "jedi" in the census, laughs for a second. but then they realize that had all those people put "no religion", instead, the world would be a better place.

If a number on a paper is considered a "real, tangible, important issue" in your book, your life is too good :D

and when did i say it was, if at all?

wildcard9:

similar.squirrel:
They're right. Taking the piss is funny up to a point, but botching an attempt at furthering secularization is taking it a bit far.
You will not be able to excise the cancer of religion by laughing at it, that's for sure.

...and you won't get anywhere by comparing religion to a deadly disease. As a non-practicing Christian I firmly believe in the Trinity and Jesus as my savior, but I'm not ready to make the commitment just yet. Despite that, I know better than marginalizing or belittling someone else's beliefs because you won't get anywhere doing that. All individuals, religious or not, react to hostility to their beliefs; some better than others.

Honestly, I think it's a combination of geek culture shock and hostility. Unlike organized religion who have the means and the representation to effectively stand against this kind of bullying, "Jedi" as a religion is a new one and thus an easy target. This so-called secular organization that wants to further the cause of humanity in the name of secularism and atheism aren't altruists, they're bullies, plain and simple.

As an idea, religious belief displays quite a few similarities to the behaviour of cancerous cells.
I wasn't trying to belittle anybody's belief; I was merely expressing the opinion that the social organism would be better off without faith, and certainly without the governmental endorsement of faith. Apologies if it came off as deliberately offensive.

Edit: A lot of people seem to think that this is about atheists wanting to 'convert' people. That is not the case; the individuals who would list 'Jedi' as their religion of choice are most likely non-believers, barring the occasional unhinged Star Wars fan.
All that's being asked of them is that they do not let the Government fall under the impression that there are more religious people in the UK than there really are, just because of a joke.

Yes, order 66 says there are no Jedi who aren't also muppets. Besides, I bet all the alleged Jedi cultists all have the midichlorian count of mud bricks made by a low functioning aspergers sufferer.

I'm writing 'Jedi' just to send a message out about my indifference to religion. I just don't believe it has a significant enough impact on my life to warrant a mention.

Saelune:

arithine:

[Le Snip}

Atheism is not a set of beliefs, but a lack of a belief in a single proposition, thus it can not be described as a religion.

TLDR:
Feel free to call yourself what you want, it's your right, but don't call atheism a religion.

If it wasnt a religion, you might not be so offended by my view.

If football wasn't a religion you might not be so offended when I was Manchester City is inferior to Manchester United.

Your argument is pretty loose at best. You are confusing religion and a system of categorising: religions are guides to life and morals, more often than not. Atheists are not given a moral code to abide by that is different from other members of society. Saying that atheism is a religion because it is a lack-of is like saying a ditch is a 'anti-lake'.

I think the reason the above individual was offended (if indeed they were) was because you are lumping a set of people together based off of what is essentially as general as "I don't believe in ghosts." There is no nonghostism.

I hope nobody takes this comment the wrong way... but to me, putting 'Jedi' in the religious box, is just as laughable as putting in any other religion.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not Atheist. I'm not stupid enough to believe that everything in existence just 'poofed here' from nothingness, but the belief system of most religions makes me want to giggle hysterically.
Seriously, half the religions on Earth follow the same style of Mono-theism, or one God, and the other half follow Poly-theism, or many Gods.
Yes each has it's differences in belief structure, but there are only TWO religions on Earth: Mono and Poly-theism.
The comical variety in religions is what makes me say that being 'Jedi' is just as real as being Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Pagan, or whatever the hell other religion you believe in.
There is no point in trying to tell who is a devout believer anyways. In my nineteen short years, I've already come across hundreds of 'religious' people who are only claiming to be religious to comfort themselves in the event that heaven or hell, or whatever they're called, are real. That's not worship, that's just using a pre-established system to your apparent advantage.
So if you want to put Jedi, or any other hokey religion in the box instead of those listed, go right ahead, because half the 'religious' population are using 'real' religions as a joke anyways.

Come on, Atheism is sold at Hot Topic these days. It's such an overused trope that those who originally considered themselves Atheist are still looking for a new word to seperate themselves from the mass of douchebags who think they're 'deep' by simply saying 'no' to the notion of religion.*

But going up against Jediism? Against perhaps one of the most creative and awesome developments in Religion since the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No one likes a party-pooper.

*- disclaimer: This does not go against any Atheist who has considered what that actually means. What I am talking about are people who claim to be for the lack of a better answer.

Darius Brogan:
I hope nobody takes this comment the wrong way... but to me, putting 'Jedi' in the religious box, is just as laughable as putting in any other religion.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not Atheist. I'm not stupid enough to believe that everything in existence just 'poofed here' from nothingness, but the belief system of most religions makes me want to giggle hysterically.
Seriously, half the religions on Earth follow the same style of Mono-theism, or one God, and the other half follow Poly-theism, or many Gods.
Yes each has it's differences in belief structure, but there are only TWO religions on Earth: Mono and Poly-theism.
The comical variety in religions is what makes me say that being 'Jedi' is just as real as being Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Pagan, or whatever the hell other religion you believe in.
There is no point in trying to tell who is a devout believer anyways. In my nineteen short years, I've already come across hundreds of 'religious' people who are only claiming to be religious to comfort themselves in the event that heaven or hell, or whatever they're called, are real. That's not worship, that's just using a pre-established system to your apparent advantage.
So if you want to put Jedi, or any other hokey religion in the box instead of those listed, go right ahead, because half the 'religious' population are using 'real' religions as a joke anyways.

you dont seem to know what atheism is. atheism is a position on a claim. specifically, the claim that a god exists. the position is of disbelief, or rejection.

as you can see, this has absolutely nothing to do with "everything in existence just 'poofed here' from nothingness"

if you disbelieve in any gods, you are an atheist. if you believe in gods, you are a theist.

if you are agnostic, you dont believe that knowledge of god is 100% certain (which is the only intellectually honest position)

i myself, am an agnostic atheist, because i dont believe in god and dont believe i can prove to myself or anyone else with absolute certainty that no god exists.

hopefully ive cleared that up for you.

ysqure3:
It's ridiculous to say that people shouldn't self-identify as a particular religion unless they reach some standard of devoutness. It seems almost reasonable when we apply it to stuff that seems like a joke like the Church of Jediism, but if we apply it to a more privileged religion like Christianity, it gets ugly. People wouldn't accept being told that they can't identify as Christian unless they can show that they REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE, instead of just like to go to church on weekends. It would be offensive if a private organization ran a campaign like that; it would be a significant step toward religious hegemony if the actual government decided to require a standard of devoutness for census responses.

Yeah, but that is the entire point. They're not complaining about Christianity because they know it is a real religion that is actually practised. Jediism is unlike Christianity in the sense that very few people who claim to be one, actually practise it or believe in it. It IS a joke based on a film franchise, and people only started putting it on forms when prompted to by stand-up comedians. Most of that 400,000 person demographic are pretending to be religious for a laugh. This is misleading the census, which will skewer the statistics, and in turn, have repercussions when the government want to refer to it whilst making changes in any given area. It is the same as lying about your age, or your ethnicity.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to those who do actually believe in the force, or rather, have taken to treating their Jedi faith seriously. They can honestly stick it on their form.

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