Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan

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Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan

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The romances in Dragon Age 2 are for everyone, says the games lead writer, not just for the straight, male gamer.

A disgruntled BioWare fan, who accused the studio of neglecting the "straight, male gamer" with the romance options in Dragon Age 2, has received a dressing down from the game's lead writer, David Gaider, who says that while straight, male gamers might be the majority, raw numbers don't give them any right to expect special treatment.

The poster was upset that male characters were hitting on him, and suggested that BioWare could easily have included a "No Homosexuality" option. He felt that BioWare had not tried to make appealing romance options for people like him, and that its focus had been on other, less numerous groups like women and homosexuals. Gaider scoffed at this idea however, saying that the romance options in Dragon Age 2 were for everyone, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, and that no one group was being favored over any other.

Gaider also attacked the idea that the poster could speak for straight, male gamers at all, saying that he could certainly present his personal feelings - although Gaider felt they were based on ignorance - but that trying to speak for a whole group was a fool's errand. Gaider said that the poster's attitudes were rooted in a sense of privilege, and that he was so used to getting things his own way, when everything was fair, he perceived it as imbalance. Gaider thought that anyone who said that the only way to please them was to restrict the options of some other group, was - in his view - the least deserving of being accommodated.

It's great to see a developer trying to include as many people as possible with its games, even though they might not be the bulk of a games audience. You can read the entire exchange here, and if you've got a few minutes spare, I thoroughly suggest that you do. The original complaint has to be seen to be believed, and Gaider's full response is a joy to read.

Source: via Phyrra.net

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Sounds like the people who complain (possibly) don't know what flirting is.

The only thing I noticed was that elf in the Brothel. The actual companions didn't seem to be pushy at all... unless provoked (the big heart next to the dialog was kinda a give away!) : P

Oh yeah, the pirate girl Isabella I guess... she does flirt with everyone/thing.

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This is either the result of ignorance or trolling

I don't know what is sadder

What's he complaining about?

Gay gamers get emo JRPG douchebag Fenris and whiney, insufferable Anders - straight dudes get cute, nerdy Merril and slutty Isabella with her ridiculous tits.

Seems like the straight males/lesbian females got the better deal here.

Because apparently "straight, male gamers" are not pandered to enough in games?

This guy knows Duke Nukem Forever is coming out this year, right?

I think the male characters hit on you a little too quickly, though. But hey, if Anders happens to be a slut, what are you gonna do?
It's as simple as shutting him down, though. The only people who'd complain about this are the ones who have to please everybody at all times. And in that case, I'd hate to see what would happen if an actual gay guy hit on them.

Surely Bisexualism (I call Anders a Bisexual regardless of the magical parallel universe effect on his sexuality depending on Hawke's gender) is the "fairest" sexual opinnion for the companions to have.

I was personally disgruntled that there were no Furry romance options for the Companions. I really ruined the game for me that convincing humans were trying to hit on me...

*edit* How come a horny personality when it was on a Bisexual elf (Zevran) many found creepy, but it is regarded as "hot" when on a lady (Isabella)?

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Good to see them reply to these repeating waves of narrow-mindedness and ignorance. One thing is if you don't wish to explore the homosexual storylines (I don't plan to during my playthrough) but to want to be able to remove them??? What will be the next ? A no non-whites option?

To be quite honest I think everyone but women got screwed over in the appeal department. All the girls I know who have played DA2 loved the characters they romanced (usually Anders or Fenris) where most guys who played the game (that I know), myself included, felt the female romance options were either boring/shallow (Isabella) or cliched (Merrill = Liara/Liana/Mission/etc.). I'm not saying any one group got special treatment, I just feel like the developers either did a better job writing the male romancable characters, or (and this is quite ironic) they just had a better sense of how to tickle the female gamer's fancy.

For the record my first playthrough was a female Hawke and Merrill, which actually had a great arch to it... unfortunately Merrill is just fucking boring :(

How dare Bioware accept homosexuality?
As a straight male, I demand Garrett Hawke to be swimming in poon-tang, not occassionally flirted with by other men! tsk.

Wow, impressive! Regardless of your feelings on the game, it's generally nice to see developers defending their work and their stance.

I had alot of problems with Dragon Age II. I'll admit it is uncomfortable to have same sex characters 'hit on' my character but his reaction (the fan who isn't a fan of homosexuals) really isn't warranted.

Wait, so everyone having the same amount of possible partners, regardless of sexual orientation is bad...? What... I don't even...

Also:
- If you feel "uncomfortable" getting hit on by a particular character, you do realize you can just push the "no, thank you"-button?
- Are we assuming that everyone who plays a video game plays as the exact same person they are in real life? I'm a heterosexual man IRL, and I played DA2 as a female Hawke that romanced Isabella. For my next playthrough, I will probably pick a different Hawke that romances someone else. I see no reason why I should be stuck playing a whose sexual preferences correspond to my real-life self. Who knows, I might play a male Hawke that romances Anders and Fenris. Shock and awe!

Yes, because if its one group thats not pandered to enough, its straight, male gamers.

I always stay determined to make a gay character in the Dragon Age games, as it is really hard to find a game that allows or embraces homosexuality, yet I still ended up choosing Merrill because she is just too cute. So much for flamer Hawke, now it's just straight Hawke who likes to tease Anders and Fenris.

"I just hope that the next game BioWare will get its priorities right or spend more time making the game." The "Or" rather than an "and" worries me.

I also like how he puts the homosexual figure at 5%, if this site is anything to go on your looking at, at least 35-45% possibly even higher especially if they game is actively welcoming the homosexual audience.

Now we need someone who is asexual and aromantic to complain to the OP that the characters keep bothering them with romance options when they arn't interested and they just want to play the game.

EDIT-Apparently I just activated the lucky 7s cheat

I'm rather touched at how polite the argument was on both sides, but it still would've been way funnier to see all the flaming and troll comments in the original thread.

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RobCoxxy:
How dare Bioware accept homosexuality?
As a straight male, I demand Garrett Hawke to be swimming in poon-tang, not occassionally flirted with by other men! tsk.

I lol'd

I wonder who he is going to complain to when some male in real world is hitting on him. I mean you can always say "no" or "I'm not gay".

However, it would be nice if the characters in the game were either bi straight or gay. Everyone being bisexual is just lazy writing more than anything else.

I am sick to death of ignorant morons like this guy.

Gaider didn't dress him down enough.

Ewyx:
Everyone being bisexual is just lazy writing more than anything else.

I see it as "Bicurious" or open minded

I'd be glad to have anyone hitting on me right now.
*sigh*

someone get that webcomic where the male Hawke is talking to the elf-guy, and says to himself "Okay, just let him down easy, don't want any rivalry points here" and then the next frame they're in bed, with him puzzled as to why.

Because there were absolutely no romantic choices deigned to pander to the straight male demographic within Dragon Age 2.

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MiracleOfSound:
What's he complaining about?

Gay gamers get emo JRPG douchebag Fenris and whiney, insufferable Anders - straight dudes get cute, nerdy Merril and slutty Isabella with her ridiculous tits.

Seems like the straight males/lesbian females got the better deal here.

You could hate Fenris for his ridiculous anti-mage stance, but he has a fantastic voice (Gideon Emery).

Whenever he speaks I think about fighting Russian space robots.

Fappy:
To be quite honest I think everyone but women got screwed over in the appeal department. All the girls I know who have played DA2 loved the characters they romanced (usually Anders or Fenris) where most guys who played the game (that I know), myself included, felt the female romance options were either boring/shallow (Isabella) or cliched (Merrill = Liara/Liana/Mission/etc.). I'm not saying any one group got special treatment, I just feel like the developers either did a better job writing the male romancable characters, or (and this is quite ironic) they just had a better sense of how to tickle the female gamer's fancy.

For the record my first playthrough was a female Hawke and Merrill, which actually had a great arch to it... unfortunately Merrill is just fucking boring :(

Wow. We have literally the opposite opinion on this matter.

Merill is fucking hardcore. She isn't at all like Liara or Leliana (most people compare her to Tali, but I'm not entirely sure why), and most of her dialogue is either charming, funny or heartbreaking. Her companion subplot was also the most interesting.

That may be true but the characters can have their own sexual orientations.
Anders never struck me as the Bisexual type.

But this is probably a response to the Tali and Jack outrage from Mass Effect 2.

Please tell me this isn't weird.
When I read the title, I envisioned a tall oscilating fan sitting in a chair holding one of those WBC "God hates fags" signs, and there was a man jumping out of his computer screen with a shotgun, moments away from shooting him in the face.

RobCoxxy:
How dare Bioware accept homosexuality?
As a straight male, I demand Garrett Hawke to be swimming in poon-tang, not occassionally flirted with by other men! tsk.

I know right!

As crazy as it sounds; as a straight, white, male gamer I can play up to 2 hours of a game now a days without having a pandering cleavage shot or suggestive position shown to me in a game. How the industry has fallen.

I love seeing Bioware take a stance to defend what it has made, and I think more companies should take hard stances on their properties.

While I support what the lead writer is saying, it still doesn't remove from the fact that if I turned down a potential same sex relationship I'd get a ton of rivalry points which doesn't make much sense.

Ewyx:
However, it would be nice if the characters in the game were either bi straight or gay. Everyone being bisexual is just lazy writing more than anything else.

I disagree. A lot of fans complained in Dragon Age that they had to play a certain gender to romance Morrigan or Alistair.

By making everyone available, regardless of Hawke's gender, you don't have fans who want to try a romance between their character and companion X being pigeon-holed into playing a certain gender.

For example, I play female characters. I don't like playing RPGs as male characters. Nothing wrong with them, just a personal preference. But to romance Morrigan, I'll have to do a playthrough with a male character. But I have no issues pursuing who I want in DA2.

MR T3D:
someone get that webcomic where the male Hawke is talking to the elf-guy, and says to himself "Okay, just let him down easy, don't want any rivalry points here" and then the next frame they're in bed, with him puzzled as to why.

asked and answered http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20110314

Sober Thal:
Sounds like the people who complain (possibly) don't know what flirting is.

Keep in mind that to the average straight male gamer, gays existing=TEH GHEYZ R RUBBING IT IN R FACEZ! PANIX!

I wouldn't be surprised, particularly, if people were seeing "flirting" in the same way they see "rubbing it in our faces."

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