Sony Hacker Lawsuits Earn the Wrath of Anonymous [UPDATED]

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Sony Hacker Lawsuits Earn the Wrath of Anonymous [UPDATED]

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Anonymous has accused Sony of abusing the legal system and victimizing its customers.

Sony's efforts to sue PS3 hackers have raised the ire of the "hacktivist" group Anonymous, who has deemed Sony's lawsuits as "alarming" and "wholly unforgiveable." In retaliation for these perceived infractions, Anonymous is turning its "undivided" attention towards the company, and plans to attack Sony websites.

In a "press release," Anonymous said that Sony had abused the judicial system in an effort to suppress information about the inner workings of the PS3. Anonymous accused Sony of "victimizing" its customers, and intruding on the privacy of thousands of "innocent" people that just wanted to share information about a product they had legally purchased and should be able to do with as they pleased. What's more, the release said that judges and other legal entities involved in the suits were guilty of "undermining the well-being of the populace and subverting [their] judicial mandate."

While Anonymous hasn't been specific about what it plans to attack, it said that its actions would be symbolic. The release said that Sony was treating its customers as if they were just renting their consoles, and so Anonymous would do the same with Sony's web domains. This action, the release read, was to show Sony exactly how wrong their actions against the hackers were.

The relationship between Sony and PS3 hackers is a very complex one, even if Anonymous wants to paint it as a black and white, hackers are right, Sony is wrong, kind of deal. It's hard to know who to root for - ignoring for a moment that what Anonymous is threatening to do is illegal - as both sides make valid points in their arguments. On the one hand, it's hard to disagree with the idea that people should be able to tinker with something that they own, but on the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy. It remains to be seen, however, whether a few denial of service attacks is going to be enough to make Sony see things Anonymous' way.

UPDATE: It looks like Anonymous has started its assault. As of 13.30 EST, the US PlayStation site is down, presumably from a denial of service attack.

Source: via Kotaku

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I love it how Hackers appear to think that hacking and causing damage to other people's property will somehow win over the public.

This is fucking stupid, regardless of which side you are on.

thinking it in terms of legality, anonymous is participating in illegal activities.
thinking in terms of good vs bad, sony appears to be wearing the horns and anonymous is the knight in shining armor.

i strongly support those who wish to modify their own equipment, and ignoring any form of legality and politics, i can certainly see anonymous's point of view. sony is outright abusing the system.

Here we go again...

So the best way to get Sony to tolerate hackers is to hack Sony sites?

Err...

Hardcore_gamer:
I love it how Hackers appear to think that hacking and causing damage to other people's property will somehow win over the public.

Not really...how many protests involve stupid 20something guys smashing windows?

Sure, it doesn't help the cause, but it's not supposed to. It's just an excuse for smashing things.

Anonymous [1]seems to like hacking sites cause it's illegal but they can. Sony is big and makes a juicy target to bring down.

[1] as much as you can talk about a varied group in such terms

No matter which side wins, Anonymous wins. Adding up to a possible double victory.

I am all for Anon'. I don't think many can blame them anymore as lately they only got favourable PR lately. Regarding showing e-mails and whatnot, I approve of them more and more lately.

Sony can seriously piss off asking for private date of users who happened to be interested and seeing GeoHot's side of this all. Also, they can piss off bludgeoning average joe's with their legal team that speaks in loopholes.

All in all, screw you Sony. Go Anon'!

Round four!!..ty five. Cheesus, this is getting old pretty quick.

Saw this coming.

"While Anonymous hasn't been specific about what it plans to attack, it said that its actions would be symbolic. The release said that Sony was treating its customers as if they were just renting their consoles, and so Anonymous would do the same with Sony's web domains. This action, the release read, was to show Sony exactly how wrong their actions against the hackers were."

Seems like they actually want to do this the right way...

I disagree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to mod their products because they might use it for piracy. That's like saying we shouldn't sell people knives because they might cut others.

I understand Sony's trepidation, but I don't agree with them.

Something tells me that I, in some way, will get screwed in someway by this. "Sony releases an ass ton of patches" or "Hackers release customer information" is the tag lines I'm looking for in the future.

thaluikhain:
Anonymous seems to like hacking sites cause it's illegal but they can. Sony is big and makes a juicy target to bring down.

That's my best guess as to why this is happening.

Let's see how this will all turn out; Anonymous is famous for following through with their plans.

Actually suprised annonymous has taken this long to comment on this, but seriously them getting involved is not going to anyone any favours

Logan Westbrook:
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Throwing a tantrum will sure teach them.

I mean, we could just get people to boycott the products and services. Let supply and demand do the "dirty work." But we're afraid that not enough people are bothered by this. So, instead, Anonymous gets louder and pretends it represents the majority interest.

And all they're going to do is make a harder road for those of us that would rather initiate dialogue with Sony to make changes. It'll be impossible to talk the issue out anymore, because they'll have clear reason to say, "This is why we don't 'negotiate' with hackers." Because we're so anxious to prove them right, they never have to admit they're wrong.

Oh boy, Something tells me this is not going to end up pretty. I usually favor Anon with a lot of things, but this time it feels... off. Dunno how else to put it.

Prof. Monkeypox:
I disagree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to mod their products because they might use it for piracy. That's like saying we shouldn't sell people knives because they might cut others.

I understand Sony's trepidation, but I don't agree with them.

I see your point but it's... Complicated.
Isn't the Sony software in the PS3 copyrited and secret and stuff? If so then I say you're probably not allowed to screw with it.
I'm sure it would be in the agreement that everyone signs when they buy the console or set it up or something.

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I'm sick of being quoted by people that want to repeat the same things everyone else has already said on every page of this thread.
That'll teach me to post on the first page of a news article.

If this ends up being just some DDoS attacks I'm going to be rather disappointed. This whole Sony v Hackers situation gets more and more entertaining as we go on. Next I expect PETA to stand up and proclaim that PS3s are made of whale bones and the KKK to stand up that there aren't enough white PS3s or some crazy shit.

Infesord:
Oh boy, Something tells me this is not going to end up pretty. I usually favor Anon with a lot of things, but this time it feels... off. Dunno how else to put it.

I think this might be why, it's why it feels off for me

SONY isn't abusing the legal system, they're USING the legal system. You might think what they're suing for is wrong, but if the judge allows the case to go through, it's because it's not abusing the legal system and a case can be made by both sides. You might not like what SONY is doing, but a legal battle is a viable option for SONY, they are using it, and if you don't understand that, tough.

I've supported Anon' MANY times in the past, including the WBC bollocks they went through, but they were right for that. WBC was pushing hate on the world. SONY is not abusing the legal system, they are simply using that method

Why is it that EVERY TIME someone twitches the wrong way, Anonymous goes "You are abusing the public and misusing all of this! We shall teach you a lesson!" like their donning batman's fucking cape? I can understand it if they get involved in an issue or two, but now they're hacking for the sake of hacking, they're watching everything going "Can we find a reason to hack for that? no...... How about that? ...... no....... OOooooh, lets do THIS!!!!"

Ldude893:
Here we go again...

Hey, just sit back and enjoy. It always gets amusing when Anon shows up. In fact, I'm surprised he took this long.

"Don't you dare complain about your software being hacked or we'll hack your website" -- Anonymous

"Courts? We don't need no stinking courts! We'll be the judge and executioner." -- Anonymous

Logan Westbrook:

The relationship between Sony and PS3 hackers is a very complex one, even if Anonymous wants to paint it as a black and white, hackers are right, Sony is wrong, kind of deal. It's hard to know who to root for - ignoring for a moment that what Anonymous is threatening to do is illegal - as both sides make valid points in their arguments. On the one hand, it's hard to disagree with the idea that people should be able to tinker with something that they own, but on the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy. It remains to be seen, however, whether a few denial of service attacks is going to be enough to make Sony see things Anonymous' way.

One side being right does not mean the other must be wrong; ethics doesn't work that way.
Knowing that, I won't be rooting for either.

Dastardly:

Logan Westbrook:
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Throwing a tantrum will sure teach them.

I mean, we could just get people to boycott the products and services. Let supply and demand do the "dirty work." But we're afraid that not enough people are bothered by this. So, instead, Anonymous gets louder and pretends it represents the majority interest.

And all they're going to do is make a harder road for those of us that would rather initiate dialogue with Sony to make changes. It'll be impossible to talk the issue out anymore, because they'll have clear reason to say, "This is why we don't 'negotiate' with hackers." Because we're so anxious to prove them right, they never have to admit they're wrong.

I totally agree
Penny for your thoughts

Anonymous is fucking stupid. There I said it.

And as for Sony, if tinkering with the console can lead to piracy, then persecute those that are actually engaged in software piracy, not everyone that wants to tinker with the product that they bought and paid for.

if the don't fuck up sony's stuff that it affects players I would say go ahead.

i must say its legal to tinker with your own stuff but you are not allowed to break the law by playing pirated software.

so the law is clear. do with the your stuff what you want but don't mess it up for other ppl or company's.

JDKJ:
"Don't you dare complain about your software being hacked or we'll hack your website" -- Anonymous

Yeah, it's one thing to counter a hateful website like Westboro Baptist Church, but riding in liek you're a super hero employing "An eye for an eye" is just... Well... I just can't support it. As it is, I want Hotz and SONY to just shake hands, come to a comfy medium, and that's it

Oh Good Fucking God... By comparison, this is making Bush look like he didnt really fuck up that bad with Iraq and Afghanistan. Thats saying something...

Prof. Monkeypox:
I disagree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to mod their products because they might use it for piracy. That's like saying we shouldn't sell people knives because they might cut others.

I agree in theory. But there's a potential to really screw up other people's gaming experience since that modded product can still intermingle with a greater community. There's a balance here that Sony is likely trying to preserve. The majority of PS3 gamers are just folks who want to plug into the community and have fun interacting (I'm guessing). A modded box can really stink that up.

If some guy modded his car with armor plating and gun turrets, the cops wouldn't let him drive it to work. And if they did, I sure as hell wouldn't want to see him every day on my morning commute. Sony (the police) is trying keep the public roads (their online gaming experience) clear of tanks (modded boxes) to protect the general public (dumb gamers like me who don't mod boxes).

Oh Anon, may you never stop not having anything better to do.

Anonymous is basically invincible.

So yeah.

I have found Sony's utter soulessness as of late to be a bit irksome.

As long as they don't affect player activity, go right ahead. Actions speak louder than words and us just grumbling under our breaths at injustices doesn't do anything to companies who are utterly convinced they know better than you. Dismantling and probing Hardware/Software has benefits and they're handling things a little like a small child who lost their dolly would, instead of with good graces.

They're more proactive than I would ever hope to be, so I have no right to criticize .

Logan Westbrook:
it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy.

The problem with this sort of thinking is that it leads to a "quilty till proven innoscent"-mentality. If being able to commit a crime have become enough to assume a crime, we have gone too far. If those are the standards we should follow then, knives, cigarette paper, computers, the internet, VCR's and dvd-players, cars, rope.... well you get the idea... should all be illegal or at least reason enough to assume wrong doing.

Enabeling crime is not crime in and of itself. It could be argued that it is a fine line, but without that fine line it becomes too easy for companies and the governments to get away with treating people like criminals. They already have it too easy as it is.

A company should not be able to sell a physical product and then claim that the customer has no right to do with it as he pleases.

The same technically goes for software. While a person is not allowed to ditribute the software in any way a producer should no have any say in how the consumer otherwise uses the product. The consumer should be allowed to tinker with, copy, erase, modify, replace, break, crack or otherwise alter the software AND hardware to his hearts content. As long as he accepts that all obligations from the manufacturer is then void. In escensce with the tinkering with the product all business is concluded.

Personally I think that all parties are idiots in some way. There are no good guys, just bad guys.

this is where it gets really interesting now that anonymous entered the ring :O!

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