BioWare: Mass Effect 3 Combat Perfected

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HankMan:
Shoots and Ladders? Sounds like fun!
If the enemies get smarter, did they also make sure Wrex's fat ass won't run in front of me every time I try to snipe?

Ho ho ho, you and your puns.

What I'm really concerned about is the inventory mechanics, the first one's was overly tedious and the second's was almost non-existant, personally I would prefer a regular rpg-inventory.

Geez EA why are you so eager to kill Bioware? Is that your plan? Buy companies that were better than you, piss off their fans then kick them out again so you're on top?

Just put a gun to the head and pull the trigger already, end their misery.

So they're comparing Mass Effect 3 to Call of Duty now? I'm definetly not buying this thing now.

Being a first-person shooter fan as well, I don't mind if Mass Effect 3's shooter mechanics are elevated towards the levels expected from "pure" shooters...

...As long as they don't also keep the RPG mechanics dumbed down like they were in ME2. And since BioWare have promised more than once to make improvements in that area for ME3, I don't expect to be disappointed.

What happened to that cool English bloke?

The combat system in ME2 is perfect for me... but some improving won't hurt anyone :D

GLo Jones:
I guess seeing is believing, because 'multi-tiered levels joined by ladders' sounds pretty damn frustrating and tedious to me.

I agree, and I also want to add that it's kind of silly to tout the ability to climb ladders as a great new gameplay mechanic.

Grand Theft Auto 4 did this in their interviews and it just sounded chuckle worthy.

Should we really be so impressed with this evolution in their game?

I say 'their game' because climbing ladders has sort of been a gaming staple for as long as I can remember.

Sure, it's cool the first time you gain an elavational advantage over your opponent but really it's just for kicks.

VivaciousDeimos:

Loop Stricken:
Can my fish not starve because I'm too busy saving the galaxy that someone else can't feed the blasted things for me?

Ooooh, thank you, that made me laugh out loud.

It's already semi-automated isn't it? You just push a button. EDI could do it for you, so no one would even have to physically go up there.

Come on Bioware! These are the important things!

Loop Stricken:
All I want...

All I want...

Is Mass Effect 2's combat with the original's RPG-ness. And more Tali. And Legion.
And armour.

Ooh, and can we paint the Normandy too? Can my fish not starve because I'm too busy saving the galaxy that someone else can't feed the blasted things for me?

Quoted both of you just to get your attention... you can actually have the Yeoman take care of that for you :P

As for the topic, quite simply, I'm looking forward to this. I haven't lost faith in Bioware at all. So they fucked up a little with Dragon Age 2... it was still a good game, just not AS good. Worse =/= bad. And right now, Mass Effect is there baby, so they're probably focusing most of their stuff on that. So I'm not worried.

Zhukov:
I remember reading that in those magazine scans that hit the net awhile back. Sounds good to me.

The RPG-crowd are gonna hate it though. "It's justed a dumbed down shooter now! Ruined forever! Waaah!

Heh.

To me Mass effect was a Shooter Based RPG anyways, so I don't mind. :P
ME2s combat > ME1s combat in my book.

Zhukov:
I remember reading that in those magazine scans that hit the net awhile back. Sounds good to me.

The RPG-crowd are gonna hate it though. "It's justed a dumbed down shooter now! Ruined forever! Waaah!

Heh.

So 95% of the escapist forumgoers.

Ian Caronia:

The.Bard:

Who cares? As much as you say it isn't an RPG, I say it is. Does that take anything away from it? No. It just means you define an RPG differently than what Mass Effect provides. It isn't wrong, per se, but I think in general, the negative bashing that comes with ranting at it supposedly not being an RPG is tiresome at best, and petulant at worst.

Mass Effect is unlike any other game I've played. I wouldn't want it to be like a Call of Duty shooter anymore than I would want it to be like a by-the-numbers RPG like Baldur's Gate. People just need to chill and love the Mass Effect for what it is.

Hrm... That's-!
...Hm.. Well It's just-
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XD Okay, you got me. It's true that life is colored by perception, and that if someone enjoys something through a particular perception that doesn't hurt anybody/thing than there's no reason to try to change their POV. Just like I passed your test, you surprised me with this outlook.

There is something wrong here... we're having a logical and pleasant exchange of ideas on the interwebz?! I have to admit, my eyes are brimming with tears.

EVERYONE, LOOKS HERE! Someone who thinks ME2 is an RPG and someone who thinks it isn't an RPG are GETTING ALONG!!! We're the Romeo and Juliet of the modern day, but without the sex!

You can say that all the arguments I've gone through defending P4 and Oblivion from the MEW [Mass Effect Wankers (my term for those who jerk-off on the ME box because it's their one true religion or something)] has left me with a short fuse for Bioware's public speeches on their game and how they put down other genre when their games have the same "flaws".

That's awesome, because I have a short fuse from people always complaining that ME2 was dumbed down. I don't call them anything specifically, but I usually just say something about how they exist because I allow it, and that their heads will explode because I demand it. ;)

*snip* ...at the end of the day I guess it really doesn't matter how we define it so long as it's fun.

YES! THIS! Now we are grooving to the RPG & SHOOTER MUZAK!!!! *Shepard dance*

Glad you were as amiable as I hoped you were, mate! Hope you have fun with your ME3 RPG, because I hope I'll be having a blast with my ME3 shooter! :D

Hahahahaha! Best. Line. Ever. I wonder if the escapist can set up some sort of auto-reply for everyone who complains about the game either way with this. If I wasn't so lazy, I would take this a step further and draw a comic of two dudes running around the corner with Mass Effect in their hands and bumping into each other... "You got your shooter in my RPG!" "You got your RPG in my shooter!" and they both smile.

Want to make Mass Effect 3 perfect Bioware?

Get rid of the bloody idiotic thermal clip system. Over heating worked fine in Mass Effect. Don't fix it if it isn't broken.

Give us back the inventory system but scale back on micro-management a bit.

Bring back character progression. I liked the fact that at the beginning of Mass Effect I was barely a marine then built myself up to be y'know, Shepard.

And this is more of a personal gripe but please do something about Charge if you're going to keep it for Vanguards. What's the point in the ability if an AI enemy can lock me down simply by being behind cover?

there feels to be something wrong with the dragon age and mass effect series since origins and ME1, but what is it...oh, now i see, they have shifted everything to combat...

lets be serious, while the sequels still are heavily story based, there does seem to be a much larger focus on the combat when compared to the first ones, the combat is just icing on the cake, and im going to say this in capitals, IN MY OPINION.

i would much rather the advertsto be about how DAII was a tale about Hawke, but all i heard was "the combat is much more streamlined and is better on the console then DAO"...i play BIOWARE GAMES FOR THE STORY.

one little thing that would be cool, the subtitle under the title for 'mass effect 3' should be "Combat Perfected", teach halo a thing or two.

Doc Theta Sigma:

Bring back character progression. I liked the fact that at the beginning of Mass Effect I was barely a marine then built myself up to be y'know, Shepard.

I agree with most of your points, save for this. While I do like that the skill progression was very distinct, it conflicted so badly with the story that it bugs me every time I go back to play. Shepard supposedly starts the game as an elite N7 operative yet he can't reliably hit a target 20 feet away? Something's amiss here.

I think I'll like the game. The story sounds promising and I loved the shooting in ME2. I never did make it through that, hope I'll get the energy once this comes out.

That's what they said aboot the major step down that was 2.

If Mass Effect 2 is any indication Mass Effect 3 will be godly. So excited for that game. It will be beautiful.

Talk is cheap. Gameplay video, now!

After DA2 I'm not holding my breath anymore. There Elder scrolls and we have future rpg the name escapes me. I just want my robot arms.

Zhukov:
I remember reading that in those magazine scans that hit the net awhile back. Sounds good to me.

The RPG-crowd are gonna hate it though. "It's justed a dumbed down shooter now! Ruined forever! Waaah!

Heh.

That's how I feel. :( Why do they have to ruin my RPG's? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Seriously though.... FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

IceStar100:
After DA2 I'm not holding my breath anymore. There Elder scrolls and we have future rpg the name escapes me. I just want my robot arms.

uhg sorry but your the most recent person who has made this comment and as such will get my feed back for all.

Ok now then ahm DRAGON AGE AND MASS EFFECT ARE DONE BY DIFFERENT TEAMS!(if anyone can tell me how to bold that i will) beleave it or not the guys who do mass effect probily dont even see the guys who did dragon age, hell they might be in different cities! Now i get it DA2 wasnt what you wanted so your gun shy well im happy to tell you that while your more then in the right to shy away from any future DA games your over reacting with ME3 you know the game that theyve been writeing for what now? 7 years?

BTW to all those who think ME2 was "dumbed down" it wasnt it was streamlined. Beleave what you will but mass effect is not an pure RPG nor is it a true third person shooter, its a hybrid of the two and a dam good one at that. If you cant find something you like in mass effect do us all a favor DONT PLAY IT! While i like seeing new gamers getting into what ibeleave is the best game series out there im sick and tired of people who go out get the game and then bitch and complain that bioware didnt make the game for them.

/rant over

The combat system in ME2 was generally lame, better (perhaps) than ME1 but not by much. The reason I love the series is not in any way related to the repetitive shoot-cover-shoot-cover mechanisms but because of the interesting plot and RPG features. The Mako sucked, but the exploration itself was a cool idea. The inventory was clunky, but then you IMPROVE it, don't just strip it out for nothing. My advice to Bioware; stop trying to turn Mass Effect into something it's not (a mainstream shooter) and accept the fact that it is something much better and unique, an RPG Space Epic.

Why would you try to turn a $100 French steak into a McDonald's Happy Meal?

Bioware might as well come out and say that they no longer want to make RPGs anymore. Most of their games, while not bad, have been slowly changing and becoming more like everything else. I think in a few years, the "Bioware namesake" will go the way of the dodo.

I'm sure Mass Effect 3 will be great, I'm just not a fan of the homogenization of original games into the "more popular" appease-the-masses model. Why does a "shooter" have to be like "the top name shooters"? The top-name shooters generally suck anyway. I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks the "top-name" shooters are cutting-edge.. ugh, just ugh.

Slavadil:
The combat system in ME2 was generally lame, better (perhaps) than ME1 but not by much. The reason I love the series is not in any way related to the repetitive shoot-cover-shoot-cover mechanisms but because of the interesting plot and RPG features. The Mako sucked, but the exploration itself was a cool idea. The inventory was clunky, but then you IMPROVE it, don't just strip it out for nothing. My advice to Bioware; stop trying to turn Mass Effect into something it's not (a mainstream shooter) and accept the fact that it is something much better and unique, an RPG Space Epic.

Why would you try to turn a $100 French steak into a McDonald's Happy Meal?

I am pretty sure that already happen or a similar effect anyway, the $100 dollar French steak anyway.

Anyway, the shooter mechanic is mostly the same. ME3 suppose to have improve cover system, along with being able to vault with out going into cover. A better AI, more skills, and branches of skills, so they now evolve more. Weapon mods are back, do not know about armor. Multiple endings, several ways to get back Earth. Earning loyalty of races and crew with out doing loyalty quest. Changes from ME1 and ME2 suppose to be big here.

Several things though. Udina becomes a council member. I think it is a rumor of a change but then I haven't been reading the books and only heard of it from the members in the Bioware forums. You have a main squad that sticks with you and you have those that are similar with Lair of the Shadow Broker when having Liara with you.

:/

I'm a tad upset. I liked Mass Effect 1 and 2, but vastly preferred the combat in the first.

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