Games Now Legally Considered an Art Form (in the USA)

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Treblaine:

WolfEdge:

Treblaine:

Very good point on how this will make it easier to defend games (in America) from being censored using the 1st amendment. But to address you concerns:

1. you aren't given this money without asking for it
2. you need to prove your project is more worthy than everyone else's ideas to get it
3. The project is then made available for free like a public work of art or a free game on XBLA

Seriously, the government might pay for people to make free games. Some people don't want to go the indie commerce route or just don't have the means to live without income for 2-3 years developing a game that may very well make very little to no money (and you weren't interested in profit anyway).

But why extract those funds from someone who doesn't necessarily want to give it? If a person isn't interested in profiting from their own work, then why is it ok to force someone else to foot the bill for their own self-admitting monetarily worthless expenditure of effort? If it's something you don't want to make a living out of doing, then why worry about money at all? Why not just do it, without forcing the compliance of others?

"someone who doesn't necessarily want to give it?"

What, the taxpayers? Tough titty. The taxpayers elected the government that decides what the public needs and that includes public art which can also extend to video games if distributed correctly.

People don't "necessarily want to" pay for the US Navy, but it has done a heck of a lot to serve the United States in its long history at the taxpayers expense.

And yes, artists have expenditures even if they are not in this for profit nor a living. They still have to eat, even a sculptor needs a stone and tools to carve it with.

Think about it, if they make something for the public, as in freely available for all; no ads, no charity bin, no nothing, then they will go bankrupt as while they work on this project - for the public - as they try to pay for gas, electricity, food, rent, etc.

Remember, for the public. Free. They can't make promises to the bank or take out a loan as after all this effort they'd get nothing for this as it'd go in a public space or distributed for free.

Not everyone has a rich benefactor. Actually that's what the government is doing her, being a rich benefactor.

But that's just it. The games AREN'T free, they're paid for by people who have no say in the matter. Stop bringing up unjust military spending as though it somehow makes this PARTICULAR injustice more right. Some taxes are necessary, just like paying a monthly bill for an apartment with utilities is a necessity for continued living IN the apartment, and I understand that. However, being forced to pay for services rendered which directly benefit the individual is not the same as being forced to pay for the unwanted product of another that doesn't affect me. The government isn't a rich benefactor, it's simply passing on money it forcibly took from someone else.

It's unacceptable because the people that don't want to give have no say in the matter. It's claiming the rights to the labor and time of someone else. It's just an excepted form of slavery, when you peel away the morality that cloaks it.

WolfEdge:
In this particular case, it's not about validation so much as it is PROTECTION. This ruling sets a powerful precedent for games that DO want to take that leap to artistry, while still allowing the freedoms of those that don't to remain intact.

I don't even know what to say that. I always thought people were too afraid of being offensive.

But whatever, I'm done talking about it. I'm gonna go kill some dicks in Bulletstorm.

More like games as fart! Amirite? No? It is a silly thing to have to legally qualify something as art. Should have been protected free speech already. Oh well.

About time. I remember my piano teacher saying to me "You're a smart girl, why do you play video games?"

Why are games art, so they gain the protection of the second amendment, no other reason.

lacktheknack:

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

To avoid censorship in the USA.

That's all.

No... well... yes :/

Hay, we want our hobby protected, I don't see why that isn't a worthy note.

Off-topic: NOW THAT CAT MUSIC IS INSIDE MY BRAIN BECAUSE OF YOuR AVATAR DX

Lyri:

binvjoh:

I don't think it's as much about being considered art as it's about getting some sort of recognition of the value as a serious part of society.

What's so serious about games?

People enjoy it and can find deep meaning in it. If that's not a valid answer to you then what makes other artistic outlets serious? Not being confrontational, that's just how I see it.

Great that it's considered art (way past time) but I'm utterly against grants for art.

It was inevitable.

*Puts on a monocle*

I wear a monocle now. Monocles are cool.

thisbymaster:
Why are games art, so they gain the protection of the second amendment, no other reason.

The right to bare arms?

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Art is so fucking overrated.

Wewt...

TOO THE MAX!

HELL YES!Its about dang time and I am happy it happened now.

HerbertTheHamster:
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Art is so fucking overrated.

Yeah,but now Arnold and the like of hypocrites can't do anything about games country wide.

Excellent! Then I'm going to go partake in some art right now...

Ehem,


AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

As awesome as this is, I do wish they would have made this ruling a little later. I have an eight minute persuasive speech I have to present on Monday, and my objective is to convince the audience that video games are art and to join the fight to get them legally recognized as such.

But now this ruling sort of undermines that sense of urgency D: What to do...

Psycho Cat Industries:

HerbertTheHamster:
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Art is so fucking overrated.

Yeah,but now Arnold and the like of hypocrites can't do anything about games country wide.

Well actually they can. Art is no more protected from censorship than anything else. Cause enough controversy and something's bound to give.

Not G. Ivingname:

lacktheknack:

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

To avoid censorship in the USA.

That's all.

No... well... yes :/

Hay, we want our hobby protected, I don't see why that isn't a worthy note.

Off-topic: NOW THAT CAT MUSIC IS INSIDE MY BRAIN BECAUSE OF YOuR AVATAR DX

NYAN NYAN NYANYAN, NYAN NYANYANYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
NYAN NYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYAN
NYAN NYAN NYANYANYANYANYANYAN NYAN NYANYANYNANYAN...

You're welcome.

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Sometimes a reaction can be explained simply through an animated gif.

This doesnt even make fucking sense
art is subjective and impossible to define what one person finds as art isn't what the next does how can something be legally subjective?
thats like making a law that pizza is declared tasty!

WolfEdge:

But that's just it. The games AREN'T free, they're paid for by people who have no say in the matter...

It's unacceptable because the people that don't want to give have no say in the matter. It's claiming the rights to the labor and time of someone else. It's just an excepted form of slavery, when you peel away the morality that cloaks it.

You DO have a say in it, you elected your government. OK, your vote (or the few you can convince to vote differently) won't make much of a difference but then again $200k out of a $3.5 Trillion fund of tax money isn't much of a percentage of your money.

It's good to see Americans keeping such a close eye on govt spending but I don't think this particular issue is going to sway many people. It's public arts projects, it's better than a bridge to nowhere.

Also, Taxation is not slavery, you all agreed on this when you voted for your government to expect these kinds of taxes to be spent at their discretion. You are part of a NATION that has elected a government and decided on this type of taxation. You all voted on this and it was decided, sorry your "only essential taxation" government didn't get in power. Maybe because hardly anyone actually thinks that is a good idea (I think your ideas go even beyond the Republican party's stance of tax/spending).

That's democracy. America. Fuck yeah, and so on and so forth.

jackpot for the indie gamers

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Well, a lot of it has to do with the game censorship debate. The platform advocating game censorship is essentially that games are like pornography; obscene and completely lacking in artistic merit.

And I don't think everyone thinks games have to be art, but more that there isn't any reason why games can't be art.

Ha HAAA! Take that, Ebert!

lacktheknack:

Not G. Ivingname:

lacktheknack:

To avoid censorship in the USA.

That's all.

No... well... yes :/

Hay, we want our hobby protected, I don't see why that isn't a worthy note.

Off-topic: NOW THAT CAT MUSIC IS INSIDE MY BRAIN BECAUSE OF YOuR AVATAR DX

NYAN NYAN NYANYAN, NYAN NYANYANYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
NYAN NYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYANYAN
NYAN NYAN NYANYANYANYANYANYAN NYAN NYANYANYNANYAN...

You're welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ

i...i'm so fucking happy!

like, truely...this is tremenus news

Yay, now we can get good games while the creators don't starve!

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

We want it to be given the status of "Art" because art is not limited to the confines of what is perceived as decent to the government. If it were not art, it would be treated like marijuana because it generates the same amount of hate because the medium as a whole is perceived as a "Mass murder simulator." This is due to games that at times, I say at times because even Modern Warfare 2 made me feel some emotions, are not shy about showing a murder of a human being... that happens to be trying to kill you... and is armed and willing to... If they are comparing this LINE OF CODE and ANIMATION to a human, then we must assume that your character him/herself has the right to defend him/herself right? Sorry, now I'm ranting :P

games are indeed art

rather, a mixture of many forms of art

seriously!

YAY!!!

I threw my hands up in the air. This is fantastic. Wonderful! Now the interactive storytelling medium of video games is an art form. This is awesome!!! Woo hoo!

...oh fuck.

Fuckballsshitpiss.

Words cannot express my loathing of this outcome.

Treblaine:

WolfEdge:

But that's just it. The games AREN'T free, they're paid for by people who have no say in the matter...

It's unacceptable because the people that don't want to give have no say in the matter. It's claiming the rights to the labor and time of someone else. It's just an excepted form of slavery, when you peel away the morality that cloaks it.

You DO have a say in it, you elected your government. OK, your vote (or the few you can convince to vote differently) won't make much of a difference but then again $200k out of a $3.5 Trillion fund of tax money isn't much of a percentage of your money.

It's good to see Americans keeping such a close eye on govt spending but I don't think this particular issue is going to sway many people. It's public arts projects, it's better than a bridge to nowhere.

Also, Taxation is not slavery, you all agreed on this when you voted for your government to expect these kinds of taxes to be spent at their discretion. You are part of a NATION that has elected a government and decided on this type of taxation. You all voted on this and it was decided, sorry your "only essential taxation" government didn't get in power. Maybe because hardly anyone actually thinks that is a good idea (I think your ideas go even beyond the Republican party's stance of tax/spending).

That's democracy. America. Fuck yeah, and so on and so forth.

Then why not put that control into the hands of STATE governments, which can far more accurately reflect the will of the people, than the federal government, which oversees so many separate clashing cultures (I'm talking specifically about America now, which has a wide abundance of cultures and subcultures spanning across an entire continent) as to make any sort of potential discussion of the matter convoluted and meaningless. Saying "It's better than a poke in the eye" doesn't bring us closer to solving the issue, it's just a dodge.

We constantly espouse the importance of freedom at the individual level, of Liberty and Justice for all, yet when it comes time to truly face what that means, we all just end up attempting to enforce our OWN freedoms, our own moralities on one another.

The "Only Essential Taxation" government has NEVER existed. It's never been attempted, because everybody tries to enforce their own ideologies through subjugation and power. There's always a caveat to the "Freedoms" we want. When we say "Liberty and Justice for All", what we keep quietly to ourselves is, "All Except for Them".

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

cause then its what it should be, games are technicly a form of art but not everybody high up thinks so, and now some do.

This is addressed to everyone who feels that now games can't be censored anymore: the game in question still has to be deemed artistic. Really, I can't even think of a game out now that would be deemed "for the public good". (Unless we really do need to call upon the plumbers of the world to save us from an alien/Hell attack on our Mars base that invaded from outer space, and these plumbers all had skill trees, attribute points, and gun-swords).

Video games aren't art in the sense that society understands it now, with the idea being that art is expression which elicits an emotional response. And, let's face it, they can't be. Games can't necessarily be an expression from someone (directors, authors, sculptors, painters, photographers) because video game companies can't hand you a finished product. Every game is a blank canvas or a jumbled picture, waiting for a gamer to either create or solve. (Sorry, FPSer's; of all genres, yours is the one I see the farthest from ever being deemed culturally important since they're all essentially "Mow down hordes of aliens/demons/nazis/arabs to get from here to there".) In that way, the gamer's themselves become the artist, and whatever sort of emotional reaction they have to the game is what they bring to the table.

You could argue that this is simply a new form of art, and you wouldn't necessarily be wrong. The whole idea of postmodernism was that the finished artwork was less important than the actions taken to create said work. But, let's face it, our actions in video games aren't weighted in our personal struggles or emotional experiences; it's about doing what's fun. And that's ok with me, because games should be exactly what they're called: games. Stop trying to make them what they're not because you think people will take gamers more seriously. Games shouldn't be taken seriously, they should be taken as a GAME.

TL;DR: Games may be eligible to be deemed artistic, but I doubt they will be.

PS: I, personally, wasn't sad when Aeris died. As with all JRPGs, I was glad it was one more annoying voice I didn't have to listen to.

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