Games Now Legally Considered an Art Form (in the USA)

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That is pretty dang awesome that our government is finally calling games an art (sorry California :P)

In the immortal words of.. ahh forget it... "GET SOME!!!"

On behalf of the United States: FIRST!

Dirty Hipsters:
So...does this mean that videogames would also automatically be considered protected speech now?

Wasn't The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn banned in schools for using the N word? With that being said, I doubt videos games have became much more protected

witness51:
On behalf of the United States: FIRST!

You are embarrassing us...
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About. Damn. Time.

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Try telling that too the drawing squad of shadow of the colossus. There hearts would break XD
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Anyway this is great news next we can vote to get rid of people complaining about games corrupting children.

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

They don't have to be art, just as television, or books, or movies don't have to be art. But at the same time just that like these mediums video games can be art, it can inspire, make us think, or just explore a new reality. Games have the potential to explore ideas more profoundly than any book or movie because we are a part of whats going on.

You are right not all games have to be art, but if even a few of them are truly recognized as art by the general public they will help dive this medium towards something better, something profound, something that no one will ever be able to look down upon. We are a long way from that yet but this is step in that direction.

A big salute to the indie devs; and a big middle finger in the face of the likes of EA and activision.

God Bless the selective parts of America that made this possible! Rest of ya can burn.

gunner1905:

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Yeah does this even matter
does anybody get more enjoyment from games now compared to before this?

People will certainly enjoy them more if it prevents them from being censored. "Art" is a better label than "Children's Toy."

Diablo2000:
Now we can always run into the "But were are a art form, bitches!" every single time someone make a fuzz about some game.

And to that I happily say

VWOOT!!!!

BreakfastMan:
The question now is, how will this effect the Supreme Court case. I mean, if the NEA thinks that games should be considered a valid art-form, what will that say if the Supreme Court decides to side with California? Even more worrisome, if the Supreme Court still does side with California in light of this, what will be the effect on other art forms, like literature and film? It could set a worrying precedent... This could be very good, or very bad.

by all means and purposes, Games are considered an Art.

Art is an expression, and is protected under the first amendment.

all the Supreme Court can do now is throw out the case and we continue with our lives.

And nothing of relative value will be lost.

bout damn time if you ask me

Ugh. So now we get a bunch of pretentious video game geeks to rank right up there with the movie geeks, literature geeks, and art geeks complaining and bitching about things all the time with an actual voice now? Oh boy. We haven't really proven to be the most stable group of people, have we?

I guess it is better than being a children's toy, as someone said. But only slightly. The art argument is going to be used more than a Glasgow boiler now.

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Very few people think this actually.

Most just want games to be recognized as an artistic medium. That doesn't mean that all games need to be art, or even that most do. However, there are already some games with artistic aspirations, and those deserve to be recognized for what they are without someone saying "but it's only a game".

That's all

Dango:

I just don't think we have to force ourselves into another medium in order to be accepted.

Art isn't a medium. Video games are. Video games being recognized as art doesn't mean we'd be forced into another medium.

WolfEdge:

Then why not put that control into the hands of STATE governments, which can far more accurately reflect the will of the people, than the federal government, which oversees so many separate clashing cultures (I'm talking specifically about America now, which has a wide abundance of cultures and subcultures spanning across an entire continent) as to make any sort of potential discussion of the matter convoluted and meaningless. Saying "It's better than a poke in the eye" doesn't bring us closer to solving the issue, it's just a dodge.

We constantly espouse the importance of freedom at the individual level, of Liberty and Justice for all, yet when it comes time to truly face what that means, we all just end up attempting to enforce our OWN freedoms, our own moralities on one another.

The "Only Essential Taxation" government has NEVER existed. It's never been attempted, because everybody tries to enforce their own ideologies through subjugation and power. There's always a caveat to the "Freedoms" we want. When we say "Liberty and Justice for All", what we keep quietly to ourselves is, "All Except for Them".

Part of the purpose of government taxes is to support things that wouldn't normally get funding. Art has always fallen under this category, as has education, infrastructure, etc.

Also, afaik art is also funded at the state level.

Nurb:

mad825:

PixelKing:
Now we just need this in the UK.

We do because.....

This is not the US where the law is needed to recognise the medium to prevent heavily censorship.

The UK can censor art and speech, movies, games, books etc. regardless if they know the mediums or not if they deem it too "offensive". Manhunt 2 was banned by the British Board of Film Classification. Other parts of Western Europe do it too; Germany turned Team Fortress 2 characters into robots that leak oil, and Command and Conquer armies were visually edited to make them all cyborgs. Australia does it all the time as Yahtzee laments.

No game has ever been banned in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Also, my 3D animation degree is a fine arts degree, same as yours.

I thought "dumb fat Americans" were the only ones to have a superiority complex and short, selective memories who don't bother to learn about other countries before speaking.

:/....Lame.

I never ruled out censorship in my statement. All I just said is that the restrictions are not tight, Manhunt 2 is not banned btw although it has faced cuts.

As I understand it, Portal was a side project for Valve and so its production & budget are nothing like COD X's. Portal 2 on the other hand...


Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

This is either a massive over generalization or an enormous straw-man. I'm part of the group "everyone" and I don't hold this position.

My position: Art is subjective, not absolutely, but to a large extent. Categorically denying, as "art," all works in a medium, because of the medium, is irrational. I must consider certain interactive programs to be "art" if I am to be consistent in what I consider to be "art."

Dango:

Edit: Stop quoting this post. Reading through dozens of quotes all saying roughly the same thing gets old.

This is not an effective strategy to get people to stop quoting you; you should have revised or removed your post. Also, I think you can disable quote notification.


Finally It happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was there ever any doubt? This had been a long time coming.

Where were you may 6 when the great names of Michaelangelo and Picasso became meaningless smears on the wall next to names like Gabe Newell and Dave Jaffe. The Giants of media make others look like smut.

I still don't consider games art. then again i'm not american.

That's right, Roger Ebert, fuck you! How do you like them apples?
But seriously, this is great news. I'm gonna print out this story and frame it on my wall.

Woo, bust out the champagne :) Now can we get started on working on more artistic games? :D

-- .

From what I can tell, this isn't so much an acceptance of games as an art form as it is a trial-by-fire. This is just the bit where the big guys kick the new kid into the deep end so he can prove himself, but really everyone thinks he'll fail miserably (just like that one bit in every movie ever). It's still up to the games industry, and especially the indie market with cash amounts this small, to believe in themselves and release a few more really good games now that we've got the attention of the art industry as a whole. So yeah, this is really good news.

Nurb:

Verlander:
Exactly, we don't really have the stigma against games over here, so it's a non issue. Also, when I was studying for my Fine Art degree, games were included in the "applied arts" section, alongside film and literature. So they are already considered art here

mad825:

PixelKing:
Now we just need this in the UK.

We do because.....

This is not the US where the law is needed to recognise the medium to prevent heavily censorship.

The UK can censor art and speech, movies, games, books etc. regardless if they know the mediums or not if they deem it too "offensive". Manhunt 2 was banned by the British Board of Film Classification. Other parts of Western Europe do it too; Germany turned Team Fortress 2 characters into robots that leak oil, and Command and Conquer armies were visually edited to make them all cyborgs. Australia does it all the time as Yahtzee laments.

No game has ever been banned in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Also, my 3D animation degree is a fine arts degree, same as yours.

I thought "dumb fat Americans" were the only ones to have a superiority complex and short, selective memories who don't bother to learn about other countries before speaking.

lol banning manhunt 2 as a point xD
that game had no redeeming qualities. ignore the fact it actually does not play well. You still have an immature handling of a mature subject matter.

I'm entirely proud our ratings board told them to piss off.

After reading this I popped in a game and started to play it. I had the same amount of fun I was having as before so... yeah, really don't care about the whole art label. Unless this change is going to usher in a new era of super intelligent AI, thought provoking challenges, or something along those lines the actual "game" part of the game doesn't benefit from this title at all.

bahumat42:

Nurb:

Verlander:
Exactly, we don't really have the stigma against games over here, so it's a non issue. Also, when I was studying for my Fine Art degree, games were included in the "applied arts" section, alongside film and literature. So they are already considered art here

mad825:

We do because.....

This is not the US where the law is needed to recognise the medium to prevent heavily censorship.

The UK can censor art and speech, movies, games, books etc. regardless if they know the mediums or not if they deem it too "offensive". Manhunt 2 was banned by the British Board of Film Classification. Other parts of Western Europe do it too; Germany turned Team Fortress 2 characters into robots that leak oil, and Command and Conquer armies were visually edited to make them all cyborgs. Australia does it all the time as Yahtzee laments.

No game has ever been banned in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Also, my 3D animation degree is a fine arts degree, same as yours.

I thought "dumb fat Americans" were the only ones to have a superiority complex and short, selective memories who don't bother to learn about other countries before speaking.

lol banning manhunt 2 as a point xD
that game had no redeeming qualities. ignore the fact it actually does not play well. You still have an immature handling of a mature subject matter.

I'm entirely proud our ratings board told them to piss off.

You reply to him saying you don't have a stigma about games over there and act smug about the UK having a higher appreciation of art, but then you voice support of censorship of artistic expression? How is censorship a good thing? Wether it's good or not doesn't mean anything, it's a government making a form of expression illegal.

Nurb:

bahumat42:

Nurb:

The UK can censor art and speech, movies, games, books etc. regardless if they know the mediums or not if they deem it too "offensive". Manhunt 2 was banned by the British Board of Film Classification. Other parts of Western Europe do it too; Germany turned Team Fortress 2 characters into robots that leak oil, and Command and Conquer armies were visually edited to make them all cyborgs. Australia does it all the time as Yahtzee laments.

No game has ever been banned in the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

Also, my 3D animation degree is a fine arts degree, same as yours.

I thought "dumb fat Americans" were the only ones to have a superiority complex and short, selective memories who don't bother to learn about other countries before speaking.

lol banning manhunt 2 as a point xD
that game had no redeeming qualities. ignore the fact it actually does not play well. You still have an immature handling of a mature subject matter.

I'm entirely proud our ratings board told them to piss off.

You reply to him saying you don't have a stigma about games over there and act smug about the UK having a higher appreciation of art, but then you voice support of censorship of artistic expression? How is censorship a good thing? Wether it's good or not doesn't mean anything, it's a government making a form of expression illegal.

I didnt say ANY of that, i said that using it as a point is kind of null because it the WORST example of what our medium can do. And i don't mind censorship when its for irredeemable things mainly because im not one of the people who cry about the slippery slope argument. Freedom of speech is not a right its a privilage. Same reason i love the UK for banning hate speech.

Censorship can be a good thing IN MODERATION. Same as pretty much anything (one of the reasons why the current global legal structure needs a little leeway on case by case base).

So yeah way to read into things i didnt say :)

(im actually excited to see what gibberish you infer from this post now, given your superb detective work)

WolfEdge:

Treblaine:

WolfEdge:

But that's just it. The games AREN'T free, they're paid for by people who have no say in the matter...

It's unacceptable because the people that don't want to give have no say in the matter. It's claiming the rights to the labor and time of someone else. It's just an excepted form of slavery, when you peel away the morality that cloaks it.

You DO have a say in it, you elected your government. OK, your vote (or the few you can convince to vote differently) won't make much of a difference but then again $200k out of a $3.5 Trillion fund of tax money isn't much of a percentage of your money.

It's good to see Americans keeping such a close eye on govt spending but I don't think this particular issue is going to sway many people. It's public arts projects, it's better than a bridge to nowhere.

Also, Taxation is not slavery, you all agreed on this when you voted for your government to expect these kinds of taxes to be spent at their discretion. You are part of a NATION that has elected a government and decided on this type of taxation. You all voted on this and it was decided, sorry your "only essential taxation" government didn't get in power. Maybe because hardly anyone actually thinks that is a good idea (I think your ideas go even beyond the Republican party's stance of tax/spending).

That's democracy. America. Fuck yeah, and so on and so forth.

Then why not put that control into the hands of STATE governments, which can far more accurately reflect the will of the people, than the federal government, which oversees so many separate clashing cultures (I'm talking specifically about America now, which has a wide abundance of cultures and subcultures spanning across an entire continent) as to make any sort of potential discussion of the matter convoluted and meaningless.

Well if this were to be an internet project, a freely distributed game or something like that then it would not be for one state, it would be nationwide if not globally seen and used. So it makes sense the capital federal authority makes decisions of funding rather than any one state as it wouldn't affect just them and it wouldn't just be money they collected.

I believe states do have similar discretionary funds on public arts projects, but I'm sure they then focus on how they can most benefit the people of their own state. Such as a large sculpture in the sate capitol or whatever.

The federal government is far better at representing ALL the states, commonwealths and districts. They have to square what Texas would like with what Oregon would like. Leaving it down to either state (or any other) won't do.

Cultural acceptance! Yay!
Wonder what will the first federal funded game be like?

Donnyp:
Where were you may 6 when the great names of Michaelangelo and Picasso became meaningless smears on the wall next to names like Gabe Newell and Dave Jaffe. The Giants of media make others look like smut.

I still don't consider games art. then again i'm not american.

Nor do you understand words, it'd seem, and prefer meaningless name-checking to reasoning.

Incidentally, Escapisteers, we could probably do well to NOT immediately kowtow to people who want to make up their own definitions of established words. Games were already art. The NEA, with all the "power" they have, have only caught up and decided whatever arbitrary parameters they use to fund things can apply to video games as well.

But then again... *grabs a seat to wait for 3 days until the next "Look at this random stupid thing! It is stupid, I say! Ergo, it is not art. QED." thread pops up*

EDIT: Incidentally, Escapist Journalist Guy, I think you don't know what constitutes "legally".

really? after all this time? finally?!

oh HELL YES!

Yay, finally. I hope Europe is next.

Ok folks were art now. Let's break out all the really weird stuff we've been hiding.

Yay! ^-^

Remember that this does not make games IMPLICITLY art.

They have to earn their status as art.

As for what makes a video game art, well, the answer will become clearer as the medium matures. All forms of art have their phases.

As for why this matters?
It does because it validates this medium as capable of having substance beyond the typical escapist, relaxing qualities of video games.

What I get from this is: Video Games SHOULD be cheaper now that they may be funded. Like Valve/Steam lower their prices once a game is like 3 months old; but most AAA console games (aside from $20 PS Greatest Hits) stay $50+ for a few years

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